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12/1/2008  2:10 PM
Is it possible that stress is contributing to Galinari's back problems? I say yes, he's stressed out about playing against the bigger faster NBA and it's manifesting in his back. This guy has got to get over it. How many doctors have to tell him there is nothing physically wrong with him?

The Stress / Back Pain Connection

There is a strong connection between stress and back pain. Stress causes a release of stress hormones. Stress hormones increase the perception of pain.
Stress hormones also cause the muscles to tighten up. The muscles may tense up so much they go into painful spasms. Back and neck muscles are particularly sensitive to the effects of stress.

Muscle tension reduces blood flow to the tissues (reduced oxygen and nutrients to the tissues). Reduced blood flow delays healing. Adequate circulation is also necessary to flush acidic waste products (byproducts of muscular activity) from the tissues. A build up of acidic waste products in the tissues can cause fatigue and pain.

Stress in itself can cause back pain. A person with a 'bad back', e.g. a person who has scar tissue from an old injury or degenerative changes in the spine due to aging, may notice the effects of stress triggering back pain even more than someone with a healthy back. The slightest muscle tension may be 'the straw the broke the camel's back.' For instance, if spinal nerves are already restricted by scar tissue or calcium deposits it may take minimal muscle tension to compress nerves and cause pain. Sciatica may flare up when one is feeling stressed.

Tense back muscles increase back pain and pain increases tensing of muscles - a vicious cycle of stress and back pain can be created.

The back is less capable of tolerating even mild abuse (lifting something slightly heavy, poor posture, a sudden twist, sitting too long, etc) when a person is under stress. Stress causes the muscles to tighten up, leaving them vulnerable to injury.

Reducing Stress

Relieving stress can reduce pain that is aggravated or caused by tense muscles. Managing stress on an ongoing basis may also help prevent back pain from occurring in the first place.
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12/1/2008  2:12 PM
Is that from Dr. Sarno's book?
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12/1/2008  2:24 PM
I was going to mention Sarno. I forwarded his website and passed it on to Mr. Hahn and he said he passed it on to management. So I hope that they are aware of him now.

If you remember recent articles (1 - 2 months ago) regarding Gallo, they did mention it being in his head perhaps.

There is a huge connection between pain, illness,etc and the mind. That much has been proven. Though people on the board think that cutting him open is going to fix it. Dr. Sarno mentioned that surgery was a hit or miss thing for the most part. That is why he started getting into the mind and how he helped sooo many people.

Good post Rookie, you mentioned some things that most people are definitely not aware of. Again, if anyone out there is in touch with Knick management, please push this perspective at them... nothing to lose.

You hinted at something Rookie, but I'll mention it. Cramped and spasming muscles can actually be the REASON for a ruptured or bulging disk. It clearly can create and increase in pressure in the Lumbar region and then any sharp motion or activity can put the back past it's limit. A deadly recipe for any professional athlete.

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12/1/2008  2:26 PM
Posted by Rookie:

Is it possible that stress is contributing to Galinari's back problems? I say yes, he's stressed out about playing against the bigger faster NBA and it's manifesting in his back. This guy has got to get over it. How many doctors have to tell him there is nothing physically wrong with him?

The Stress / Back Pain Connection

There is a strong connection between stress and back pain. Stress causes a release of stress hormones. Stress hormones increase the perception of pain.
Stress hormones also cause the muscles to tighten up. The muscles may tense up so much they go into painful spasms. Back and neck muscles are particularly sensitive to the effects of stress.

Muscle tension reduces blood flow to the tissues (reduced oxygen and nutrients to the tissues). Reduced blood flow delays healing. Adequate circulation is also necessary to flush acidic waste products (byproducts of muscular activity) from the tissues. A build up of acidic waste products in the tissues can cause fatigue and pain.

Stress in itself can cause back pain. A person with a 'bad back', e.g. a person who has scar tissue from an old injury or degenerative changes in the spine due to aging, may notice the effects of stress triggering back pain even more than someone with a healthy back. The slightest muscle tension may be 'the straw the broke the camel's back.' For instance, if spinal nerves are already restricted by scar tissue or calcium deposits it may take minimal muscle tension to compress nerves and cause pain. Sciatica may flare up when one is feeling stressed.

Tense back muscles increase back pain and pain increases tensing of muscles - a vicious cycle of stress and back pain can be created.

The back is less capable of tolerating even mild abuse (lifting something slightly heavy, poor posture, a sudden twist, sitting too long, etc) when a person is under stress. Stress causes the muscles to tighten up, leaving them vulnerable to injury.

Reducing Stress

Relieving stress can reduce pain that is aggravated or caused by tense muscles. Managing stress on an ongoing basis may also help prevent back pain from occurring in the first place.



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12/1/2008  2:28 PM
Stress can rear its head in many forms, physically, emotionally, and mentally.

I think it depends on the person, but it's hard to say whether it is stress that is causing Gallo's back problem to persist.

Do we have evidence of him feeling significantly stressed, or that when he does his back pain increases? That could happen, but the source of the pain could be something else too. Maybe he should get some acupuncture treatment.

Potential stress could be from undergoing a cultural change/shock, pressure he felt given that he was booed when drafted by Knick fans...

Hard to really say if these are factors or not.

Not sure if we have any real evidence to speculate too much.

[Edited by - PresIke on 12-01-2008 2:30 PM]
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12/1/2008  2:29 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Is that from Dr. Sarno's book?

The quote isn't from Sarno, but I've heard this from many sources. Unfortunately, none of them have been main stream.

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12/1/2008  2:42 PM
Yes, but don't they say exercise is good for reducing physical stress? ANd aren't these guys world class athletes?

If he was a 25year old research analyst bound to his desk 16 hours a day while at home his nympho wife is doing his friends and racking up credit cards while falling behind on their condo payments and caring for his dying mother after the car accident killed his sister trying (but failed) to not hit your champion breed best friend dog. sounds like an old timey country western song!

This guy is a young millionaire who works off that kind of stress.

I think if an athlete was wigging on stress its in the form of migrane headache. Young Kareem Abdul-Jabbar had the weight of the world on his shoulders back early in his career with tying to live up to his expectations both on and off the court (social unrest in the late 60's) and suffered greatly from that. Other players have been known get migranes which is paralyzing to some effect. His was rather famous and was often seen as aloof.
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12/1/2008  2:54 PM
Posted by Rookie:

Is it possible that stress is contributing to Galinari's back problems? I say yes, he's stressed out about playing against the bigger faster NBA and it's manifesting in his back. This guy has got to get over it. How many doctors have to tell him there is nothing physically wrong with him?

Yes, definately.

[Edited by - 4949 on 12-01-2008 2:59 PM]
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12/1/2008  2:55 PM
Gallo should read Dr. Sarno's book or just go visit him.
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12/1/2008  2:56 PM
The best example I can think of is Mariano Rivera after he gave up the bloop single to the Angels in the World Series which led to the Angels wining. The following season Rivera manifested lower back problems. It was a monumental loss on the biggest stage and for a closer that can be a real mental obstacle. All of a sudden, Galinari is on a big stage and everyone ids big, fast and physical. He needs to get out there and prove to himself that he can compete on this level. Mariano bounced back, but he played through the pain and never gave up....even in the face of the New York media .
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12/1/2008  2:56 PM
Where is this crap coming from. The man had a buldging disk, which wasn't allowed to heal properly. Instead of giving him a cortisone shots early in the injury process they neglected it and thought time was needed for it to heal. Instead of getting to the problem right away and giving him a cortisone shot and then allowing it to heal. The Knicks made matter worse by not treating it and allowed his muscles to become weak. That is why it didn't heal when training camp started. They gave him a cortisone shot at camp and rushed him back making matters worse. The treatment should have started as soon as he got hurt in Vegas. They should have done a precautionary MRI a week later to determine the extent of damage. An MRI would have revealed a buldging disk right away.
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12/1/2008  2:57 PM
Posted by Nalod:


If he was a 25year old research analyst bound to his desk 16 hours a day while at home his nympho wife is doing his friends and racking up credit cards while falling behind on their condo payments and caring for his dying mother after the car accident killed his sister trying (but failed) to not hit your champion breed best friend dog. sounds like an old timey country western song!

That's one hell of a stretch dude. It could simply be a personal problem he's having with himself.
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12/1/2008  2:58 PM
I can vouch for this scenario. He would need to see a psychotherapist in that case.

And let me tell you a little about stress. It can affect the entire body. Most people don't even know they have a problem. And it doesn't affect everybody the same way. Some people are stronger in different ways. I remember being under tremendous stress at an office job I used to work in and the manager was a complete nit-picker. Watching my every move. It eventually got so bad, that it virtually brought me to tears and my legs were feeling numb for awhile.

Diet, excise and understanding the body is an extremely important thing to do. For anyone for that matter. Basically, it's all in the alignment of your body. Yup' your skeletal structure. It all starts at the feet. Your nerve system ends at the feet and and lead all up through your body, up to your brain area. If your skeletal system is off, it's because it usually starts at the feet. It crushes against your nervous system, and crushing your nervous system affects your organs, it affects your muscle system, your sight and everything else (eventually).

And diet? That's a tough one. No one knows exactly what to eat to have a balanced diet and the best advice I can give is to see a dietrician. But someone you can trust, who has a good word of mouth record.

And then there's the psychology of it all. What sound mind you may have, plays an important part in maintaining confidence in maintaining your health. If he's not confident in his game, then that could do it also. I been through this myself.

If this is what Galinari has, then we are basically talking about another Frye. If' it's in the mind, then he needs a lot of work and it puts questions all over this pick. Especially when we needed a center more than any other position. If I remember correctly, didn't D'Antoni make this recommendation because of sort of a favor for Galinari's father? Not a good way to do business.
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12/1/2008  6:05 PM
that 19 year old boy stood up to this:




He played at a high level last year as an 18 year old and performed well in the clutch as the go to guy, so the stress thing has always been ok.

Im not saying this back problem thing is not real.. I read Sarno's book and understand it well.

We just don't know the kid enough to say this it whats causing it.
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12/1/2008  6:07 PM
I bet it is contributing to Mike D's back pain that kept him from practicing with the other coaches.
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12/1/2008  7:12 PM
maybe he's banging too many chicks... that can lead to back spasms.

stay away from the jailbait Gallo

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12/2/2008  9:10 AM
sarno is a great therapist who leverages his position and title. people open themselves up to his influence.

here's a video segment of him on 20/20:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6660313127569317147
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