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Would you rather see the Knicks make the playoffs or get into the draft lottery
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Ira
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I have a conflict in this. I can't root against the Knicks and feel happy when they lose. At the same time, this season means nothing to me. Getting into the playoffs without competing for a championship, is not a big deal. Talking about getting players like Griffin, Curry, Rubio or Aminu is music to my ears. But we can't have it both ways. If you could chose for the Knicks, which way would you go - lottery or playoffs?
Lose as many games as possible and get a top pick.
Win, win, win - on the way to our first playoff appearance in a long time.
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nyk4ever
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11/24/2008  8:36 AM
I am in no way rooting for this team to lose, I am thorougly enjoying watching them play this year, it's been a blast so far.

With that said, I wouldn't be too sad if they lost enough games to get into the lotto, we need more than just LeBron James and we have to start getting that team ready for him.
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11/24/2008  8:40 AM
I know the logical choice would be to tank ala Spurs, but I just can't get myself to root for my team to lose.
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11/24/2008  8:50 AM
I don't care what our record is, but now is the time to do well in the draft. Sometimes winners are found late in the draft or the second round. But your odds sure do increase of landing the guy you want with higher picks. Seriously, if we are to have components to lure a bigtime FA in 2010 we need to get lucky right now. No pick next year because no cost was too high for, our man, Marbury.
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11/24/2008  9:06 AM
Just do the best you can to win games. MDA has been great about featuring the guys that are the future of our team. If Chandler (21), Duhon (26), Lee (25), Nate (24) are playing heavy minutes and winning games thats #1. We have talked for years about changing the culture of this team and its finally happening. Hell.. its already happened.

I think the next #1 focus will be getting Curry back and productive and looking to trade him in a deal that gets a pick back. I would also look to trade Lee to a team with a pair of picks. Maybe the Kings who have the Spurs pick as well as their own.
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11/24/2008  9:09 AM
Hello?

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BlueSeats
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11/24/2008  9:15 AM
Actually, what's happening here is what I've always petitioned for. The GM controls the "tanking" with roster moves, but the coach always coaches his ass off to win.

Theoretically speaking, benching Marbury and Curry, and then trading Jamal and Slach, constituted a HUGE talent setback that easily constitutes a "tank/rebuild" that allows tons of time for youth/future/low-payroll-burden-rentals. At the same time it constitutes and enormous culture change that has only benefited the enthusiasm, energy and optimism of the club (with the possible exception of guys who were close friends with the departed.)

This *is* how an organization is supposed to "tank". If the record improves in the process, so be it, the coach has done his job and the culture change s working. If the record decreases, so be it, these moves are future oriented and the hope is whatever setback is encountered is made up for in the draft and later FA acquisitions.

It's on.
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11/24/2008  9:18 AM
Play to win. Free agents want to come to a good team. Make it to the playoffs and do your best, you build from year to year. The Celtics got lucky to land 3 quality guys in the same year, that doesn't happen much. Play well and grow into a winning team.
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11/24/2008  9:31 AM
Win, we have to get our young players playoff experience
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11/24/2008  9:42 AM
I like what Blue said about the GM trading for the L but the coach is coaching for the Ws, that's a clever way to think about it.

I'd much prefer getting this franchise into the playoffs again, and into the national spotlight not with front page tabloid soap opera stories but with a step towards a winning culture. The most valuable NBA team in the biggest media market doesn't have a nationally televised game this year. That's how bad the front office screwed this up. If they get in the playoffs this year, I think its even better for the road to 2010. Especially if we are in there instead of Toronto or Indiana, I'd think that would give some of rest of the Class of 2010, like a Chris Bosh, food for thought.

Playoff experience for the Mayor and the other young guys would be great if the mantra is 2010. Co-sign with fishmike on getting picks in trades, like Curry.
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11/24/2008  9:46 AM
Also, let's not forget New Jersey. Earlier this year all the stories were about BronBron going there to chill with his boy Jay-Z so they can drop the anchor in Brooklyn and take over the city. Keeping NJ out of the playoffs I think does more for our cause than letting them in so we can watch some ping pong balls.
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11/24/2008  9:50 AM
If they win they win. If they lose they lose. I just don't want to be in the position of 9th seed with 39 wins. Mark Cuban said that was the worst spot to be in the NBA--and with what we are trying to do as a team--I would agree with him. I would continue to shop pretty much anyone except Lee Chandler Gallinari and Nate. I would even trade Duhon for the right price--he's only signed for 2 years and we would have to renounce his rights anyway. His value right now IMHO is sky high.
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11/24/2008  9:54 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:

Actually, what's happening here is what I've always petitioned for. The GM controls the "tanking" with roster moves, but the coach always coaches his ass off to win.

Theoretically speaking, benching Marbury and Curry, and then trading Jamal and Slach, constituted a HUGE talent setback that easily constitutes a "tank/rebuild" that allows tons of time for youth/future/low-payroll-burden-rentals. At the same time it constitutes and enormous culture change that has only benefited the enthusiasm, energy and optimism of the club (with the possible exception of guys who were close friends with the departed.)

This *is* how an organization is supposed to "tank". If the record improves in the process, so be it, the coach has done his job and the culture change s working. If the record decreases, so be it, these moves are future oriented and the hope is whatever setback is encountered is made up for in the draft and later FA acquisitions.

It's on.

Agreed. Trade your talent away for draft picks and cap room and then do your best to win every game. Usually it works out that you build up your team confidence but also miss out on the playoffs. I think we may get to 38-40 wins this year, which is a considerable improvement over last year, when we arguably had far more talent.
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11/24/2008  10:04 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

If they win they win. If they lose they lose. I just don't want to be in the position of 9th seed with 39 wins. Mark Cuban said that was the worst spot to be in the NBA--and with what we are trying to do as a team--I would agree with him. I would continue to shop pretty much anyone except Lee Chandler Gallinari and Nate. I would even trade Duhon for the right price--he's only signed for 2 years and we would have to renounce his rights anyway. His value right now IMHO is sky high.

Duhon needs to be here. He's here for a reason and he's performing admirably. Hey, maybe he ship him to a playoff contender next season at the deadline for a pick, but before that he needs to be here to keep things respectable.
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11/24/2008  10:09 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by BRIGGS:

If they win they win. If they lose they lose. I just don't want to be in the position of 9th seed with 39 wins. Mark Cuban said that was the worst spot to be in the NBA--and with what we are trying to do as a team--I would agree with him. I would continue to shop pretty much anyone except Lee Chandler Gallinari and Nate. I would even trade Duhon for the right price--he's only signed for 2 years and we would have to renounce his rights anyway. His value right now IMHO is sky high.

Duhon needs to be here. He's here for a reason and he's performing admirably. Hey, maybe he ship him to a playoff contender next season at the deadline for a pick, but before that he needs to be here to keep things respectable.

What if Utah offered our pick back + an ending contract in 09-10--would you do it. If the right deal came along etc...
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11/24/2008  10:14 AM
Lose baby lose. But I want the young players who have a future with the team to play well and the games to be close.
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11/24/2008  10:17 AM
Wherever the Knicks end up picking, Walsh better do a lot better than he did last year.
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11/24/2008  10:20 AM
We aren't going to lose the east is terrible and we are going to win enough that we won't have a chance at any of these kids. The wizards, grizzles, thunder, grizzles, nets, bobcats, and most likely the clippers will all finish with worse records than we are.

So we need to build value within our roster show the league that jefferies can be a valuable player and find a way to move him and have the league be calling the knicks next season for Harrington and Mobley.

Could we use the pick of course, but our coach is too good to let it happen so might as well make the playoffs
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11/24/2008  11:04 AM
Posted by islesfan:

Wherever the Knicks end up picking, Walsh better do a lot better than he did last year.

you havnt seen him play one full game so how can u say that?
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11/24/2008  11:10 AM
We're not losing with this team as it is. Our time to tank was last year and we didn't do a great job with that 3 game winning stream which basically lost us the #5 spot where we could have parlayed Kevin Love for something, but oh well.

This team is going to do well. They're veterans, and they're hungry to prove something. If they play well and someone wants them for a draft pick, I say trade them. We're very deep so we could afford to move people and play someone else.
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11/24/2008  11:14 AM
Posted by Elite:
Posted by islesfan:

Wherever the Knicks end up picking, Walsh better do a lot better than he did last year.

you havnt seen him play one full game so how can u say that?

Because we haven't seen him play one full game yet.
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