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TRU
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11/22/2008  5:44 PM
I just read Lupica's article.

He supports Walsh's moves and believes that Randolph was never the type of player that you'd find on a championship team. He feels the same way about Crawford.

He then went on the say that the only two players on our roster that you might find on a Championship squad were Lee and Chandler.

How do you guys feel about that assessment?

Do you think that champions are really "born not made"? When you look at recent Champs, does the last man in their rotation, on their roster even still have that "champion's swagger"? Don't you think anyone else on the roster could win one?

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11/22/2008  5:46 PM
Not without a big star. And whether they were good enough to be a part of this or not, the moves were made strictly for cap space purposes. It wasn't personal.
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11/22/2008  6:05 PM
He left off Gallinari? He must have forgotten that he was taken with the sixth pick in an incredible deep, strong draft.
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11/22/2008  6:25 PM
Posted by TRU:

I just read Lupica's article.

He then went on the say that the only two players on our roster that you might find on a Championship squad were Lee and Chandler.

Yeah, I saw this also. I think Lee and Chandler are a safe bet. I can see why he left Gallinari off (at this point), but Nate?
I'll never trust this' team again.
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11/22/2008  6:50 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

He left off Gallinari? He must have forgotten that he was taken with the sixth pick in an incredible deep, strong draft.

What does that mean tho? Darko was taken ahead of Wade and Melo
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11/22/2008  7:05 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by TRU:

I just read Lupica's article.

He then went on the say that the only two players on our roster that you might find on a Championship squad were Lee and Chandler.

Yeah, I saw this also. I think Lee and Chandler are a safe bet. I can see why he left Gallinari off (at this point), but Nate?

I dunno... nate is what I think Shakespeare would call "a man of mean birth." He is a hard worker, though. What we're talking about here is a "championship attitude" for lack of a better term. If anyone's willing to work hard enough to get it, it's Nate.

I kind of felt that Zach could be brought around, too. All 300-sum-odd NBAers have "talent". His work ethic was remarkable.
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11/22/2008  7:07 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

He left off Gallinari? He must have forgotten that he was taken with the sixth pick in an incredible deep, strong draft.

Look i would've liked brook lopez over gallo, and bayless i liked a lot too. other than rose, beasley, and mayo, (and rudy fernandez), who is there that has shown definitive talent?

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11/23/2008  3:52 AM
if a guy like Rasheed Wallace can help a team win a championship i think anyone can, the thing is u have to have a whole group of guys buying into a single focus & u can't have me-first players like Marbury around spoiling that focus... if Marbury were to ever buy into a team first mentality then he could have won championships in Minny & Phoenix.

also, u need top notch talent on the team obviously, something we never had in NY while Zach & Jamal were here... put those 2 guys around a stud like Lebron or Duncan & i can see them being a part of a championship puzzle.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-23-2008 12:53 AM]
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11/23/2008  9:44 AM
Players are just players.
You can have weapons of any caliber but if politicians and generals are morons the army is doomed for defeat and country for destruction.
The main thing team need for championship is smart GM with plan and coaching group to implement it.
Players are plenty and individually are not important.
Even LeBron with all hoopla cannot make it done alone.

As per players to be useful they need to fit into GM/coach plan and be coach instruments without reservations and personal agendas.
5 players who played yesterday are just this. You cannot build around them as stars because they are not, but you can build around them as a TEAM because they are.
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11/23/2008  10:28 AM
Posted by arkrud:

Players are just players.
You can have weapons of any caliber but if politicians and generals are morons the army is doomed for defeat and country for destruction.
The main thing team need for championship is smart GM with plan and coaching group to implement it.
Players are plenty and individually are not important.
Even LeBron with all hoopla cannot make it done alone.

As per players to be useful they need to fit into GM/coach plan and be coach instruments without reservations and personal agendas.
5 players who played yesterday are just this. You cannot build around them as stars because they are not, but you can build around them as a TEAM because they are.

Jordan couldn't do it alone either. That's proof right there, but without Jordan chicago had no chance in hell. But you do indeed need caliber players like that to have a chance. Surrounding them with talent is less of a problem then acquiring the caliber player himself.

And we now know that Donnie is more than capable of finding that supporting cast. All we need is the caliber player now. And we haven't even talked about the CONFIDENCE factor in all this. A team, when it knows it's one of the elite teams, it just simply rubs off on everyone and everyone has a 'can do' attitude, without the attitude of course.

And I have no questions about our management team at all. We got a good one in place and that was the whole key to getting us to were we're at now. Looking back at Leyden and Isiah moves depresses the mind and I feel so much better about what's happening now.

[Edited by - 4949 on 11-23-2008 10:31 AM]
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11/23/2008  11:40 AM
Its all about the team......who's on it and how they fit in the system.

I think D'antoni proved his point but benching Curry and Marbs......they didn't fit his style and the strengths of the greater majority of the team......

Zach and Craw are now gonna blow up in the western conference. Craw is gonna be the point guard in GS no doubt. Zach is gonna provide the Clipps with a dominant front line. Zach needed a sidekick and now he has 2!!!! Its all good in their hoods.

Its all good in the Knicks hoods too.......so I suggest you guys just chillax cuz the Knicks are gonna be better.....and there's still a major possibility the Knicks could again make another trade to totally take on this year next year and then totally relaunch the team in 2010!!!!


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11/23/2008  12:02 PM
Anyone can be championship caliber if they are playing with the right superstar and the right coach.
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11/23/2008  12:06 PM
What I truly LOVE about all of this is that we can remake this team into EXACTLY what MDA and Walsh envision. No more settling for a guy that doesn't really fit what your ideal player would be. We can hand pick guys with the right combination of tangible and intangible qualities. We can actually go an get players with a winning attitude. Guys that are well rounded and BB smart.

This is a good time to be a Knick fan and watch to see how they build this thing. Literally we're free to remake this thing in the image of what MDA is all about. We only have Curry and Jared who extend beyond 2010 and that's a great place to be. The task of ridding ourselves of Curry's contract won't be as hard nor as critical as it once was.
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11/23/2008  1:20 PM
Posted by nixluva:

What I truly LOVE about all of this is that we can remake this team into EXACTLY what MDA and Walsh envision. No more settling for a guy that doesn't really fit what your ideal player would be. We can hand pick guys with the right combination of tangible and intangible qualities. We can actually go an get players with a winning attitude. Guys that are well rounded and BB smart.

This is a good time to be a Knick fan and watch to see how they build this thing. Literally we're free to remake this thing in the image of what MDA is all about. We only have Curry and Jared who extend beyond 2010 and that's a great place to be. The task of ridding ourselves of Curry's contract won't be as hard nor as critical as it once was.

Honestly, I'm not that high on MDA's style of play...I think in the playoffs, it becomes a halfcourt game where possessions and high percentage shots become reason you win basketball games...I think his offense emphasizes too many threes and too many jump shots...Part of the strategy is to eventually wear the opponent down during the course of the game...His teams are usually in better condition that the other team..But after 82 games at a hell bent pace, it seems like his teams run out of gas at the end of the season and in the playoffs...This certainly happened to Nash under MDA...

Lets say we were fortunate enough to get LeBron, How does he fit in that style of offense where he gets less touches than the point guard...True he is a very good passer, does he now become the point forward in that type of offense because he needs the ball to be most effective like Jordan??..

To say lets remake this in MDA's vision without the man proving his system can win a Championship is a huge mistake in my eyes...I do have to give him props given the early success of this bunch...I think he has proven he can coach to win games given the way the Knicks has played the last month...Even though it's early, I'll give him that...I think winning games and playing Championship caliber ball are two different things...I greedy, I want Championship caliber ball..I think that is the reason he is no longer in PHX...He had three allstars playing at their highest level and was never a serious threat to win a Championship...So lets hit the brakes a little on endorsing MDA's vision as the end all and be all...

I think defense, rebounds, getting to the free throw line along with high percentage shots wins Championships...These things are not what MDA emphasizes and that's proven..



[Edited by - holfresh on 11-23-2008 1:25 PM]
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11/23/2008  7:10 PM
Posted by nixluva:

What I truly LOVE about all of this is that we can remake this team into EXACTLY what MDA and Walsh envision. No more settling for a guy that doesn't really fit what your ideal player would be. We can hand pick guys with the right combination of tangible and intangible qualities. We can actually go an get players with a winning attitude. Guys that are well rounded and BB smart.

This is a good time to be a Knick fan and watch to see how they build this thing. Literally we're free to remake this thing in the image of what MDA is all about. We only have Curry and Jared who extend beyond 2010 and that's a great place to be. The task of ridding ourselves of Curry's contract won't be as hard nor as critical as it once was.

Great point. I'm not sure if Lebron is the right fit. But we'll at least have options.
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11/23/2008  7:12 PM
Posted by nixluva:

What I truly LOVE about all of this is that we can remake this team into EXACTLY what MDA and Walsh envision. No more settling for a guy that doesn't really fit what your ideal player would be. We can hand pick guys with the right combination of tangible and intangible qualities. We can actually go an get players with a winning attitude. Guys that are well rounded and BB smart.

This is a good time to be a Knick fan and watch to see how they build this thing. Literally we're free to remake this thing in the image of what MDA is all about. We only have Curry and Jared who extend beyond 2010 and that's a great place to be. The task of ridding ourselves of Curry's contract won't be as hard nor as critical as it once was.

isn't all that what i've been trying to tell what would happen if we dumped Zach's contract for the past year & a half when u were telling me the team didn't need an overhaul & had the talent to compete as presently constructed?

[Edited by - TMS on 11-23-2008 4:13 PM]
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11/23/2008  10:23 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by nixluva:

What I truly LOVE about all of this is that we can remake this team into EXACTLY what MDA and Walsh envision. No more settling for a guy that doesn't really fit what your ideal player would be. We can hand pick guys with the right combination of tangible and intangible qualities. We can actually go an get players with a winning attitude. Guys that are well rounded and BB smart.

This is a good time to be a Knick fan and watch to see how they build this thing. Literally we're free to remake this thing in the image of what MDA is all about. We only have Curry and Jared who extend beyond 2010 and that's a great place to be. The task of ridding ourselves of Curry's contract won't be as hard nor as critical as it once was.

isn't all that what i've been trying to tell what would happen if we dumped Zach's contract for the past year & a half when u were telling me the team didn't need an overhaul & had the talent to compete as presently constructed?

[Edited by - TMS on 11-23-2008 4:13 PM]

FIRST of all, don't make it sound like I felt we had a championship team already except for getting a better coach! The idea was that we didn't compete last year, but that I KNEW we could compete as constructed with better leadership and coaching, which WAS JUST PROVEN RIGHT!

SECOND, without the change at the top, we wouldn't have been able to trade Zach as you suggested, cuz no one would take him as long as we sucked and didn't show he could play well in a team concept. This is why so many said we didn't stand a chance to get anyone to to these contracts off our hands. Walsh had the right plan in bringing in MDA who is a near great coach that could get a sand slug to play good team BB.

THIRD, my support was for the young talent we had, which I have always felt could shine in the right environment. MDA is showing you that a good coach can get a TON more out of the same players everyone said were the absolute worst, so my point was proven to be correct, not wrong as you seem to be suggesting.

I'm in my happy place right now and don't appreciate you trying to bring me down.
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11/23/2008  10:29 PM
wow now THAT´s positive thinking.
Posted by EnySpree:

Its all about the team......who's on it and how they fit in the system.

I think D'antoni proved his point but benching Curry and Marbs......they didn't fit his style and the strengths of the greater majority of the team......

Zach and Craw are now gonna blow up in the western conference. Craw is gonna be the point guard in GS no doubt. Zach is gonna provide the Clipps with a dominant front line. Zach needed a sidekick and now he has 2!!!! Its all good in their hoods.

Its all good in the Knicks hoods too.......so I suggest you guys just chillax cuz the Knicks are gonna be better.....and there's still a major possibility the Knicks could again make another trade to totally take on this year next year and then totally relaunch the team in 2010!!!!

If you are still following the team and reading sites like this, there is nothing, short of your own demise, that is going to throw you off this train.
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11/23/2008  10:30 PM
you mean I have a chance?
Posted by VDesai:

Anyone can be championship caliber if they are playing with the right superstar and the right coach.

If you are still following the team and reading sites like this, there is nothing, short of your own demise, that is going to throw you off this train.
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11/23/2008  11:00 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by nixluva:

What I truly LOVE about all of this is that we can remake this team into EXACTLY what MDA and Walsh envision. No more settling for a guy that doesn't really fit what your ideal player would be. We can hand pick guys with the right combination of tangible and intangible qualities. We can actually go an get players with a winning attitude. Guys that are well rounded and BB smart.

This is a good time to be a Knick fan and watch to see how they build this thing. Literally we're free to remake this thing in the image of what MDA is all about. We only have Curry and Jared who extend beyond 2010 and that's a great place to be. The task of ridding ourselves of Curry's contract won't be as hard nor as critical as it once was.

isn't all that what i've been trying to tell what would happen if we dumped Zach's contract for the past year & a half when u were telling me the team didn't need an overhaul & had the talent to compete as presently constructed?

[Edited by - TMS on 11-23-2008 4:13 PM]

FIRST of all, don't make it sound like I felt we had a championship team already except for getting a better coach! The idea was that we didn't compete last year, but that I KNEW we could compete as constructed with better leadership and coaching, which WAS JUST PROVEN RIGHT!

SECOND, without the change at the top, we wouldn't have been able to trade Zach as you suggested, cuz no one would take him as long as we sucked and didn't show he could play well in a team concept. This is why so many said we didn't stand a chance to get anyone to to these contracts off our hands. Walsh had the right plan in bringing in MDA who is a near great coach that could get a sand slug to play good team BB.

THIRD, my support was for the young talent we had, which I have always felt could shine in the right environment. MDA is showing you that a good coach can get a TON more out of the same players everyone said were the absolute worst, so my point was proven to be correct, not wrong as you seem to be suggesting.

I'm in my happy place right now and don't appreciate you trying to bring me down.

i'm not trying to bring u down & i'm in the same happy place myself... just don't see how ur gonna sit there & try to say like u've been calling all this all along when u haven't, that's all... & what i was calling u out on was on the topic of cap & roster flexibility, not on MDA or how he would improve our team... i was always on MDA's bandwagon just like u were so i don't see where u wanna throw his name into this mix.
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