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11/14/2008  1:50 AM
http://www.newsday.com/sports/ny-spknix1114,0,6806219.story
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11/14/2008  2:06 AM
good news
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11/14/2008  2:16 AM
This is not new or good news. He has been told by many specialists that he does not need surgery but none have been able to tell him why his pain persist after so many months. Check out the Gallinari bad back thread. The question is why does he still feel pain even after rest.
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11/14/2008  2:34 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

This is not new or good news. He has been told by many specialists that he does not need surgery but none have been able to tell him why his pain persist after so many months. Check out the Gallinari bad back thread. The question is why does he still feel pain even after rest.

That article said it's because he rushed in trying to come back.
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11/14/2008  2:48 AM
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by Pharzeone:

This is not new or good news. He has been told by many specialists that he does not need surgery but none have been able to tell him why his pain persist after so many months. Check out the Gallinari bad back thread. The question is why does he still feel pain even after rest.

That article said it's because he rushed in trying to come back.

Yes, once again thanks to the Knicks medical staff. Is there a statistically worse one in the NBA?

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11/14/2008  3:03 AM
Yeah but Gallinari specialist told he was ready to come back as well because the disc resided. Something doesn't make sense. He was cleared by both his doctors and the Knicks medical staff. The article also says that he could be fine in about a month which is what the original specialist told him over the summer.
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11/14/2008  4:36 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Yeah but Gallinari specialist told he was ready to come back as well because the disc resided. Something doesn't make sense. He was cleared by both his doctors and the Knicks medical staff. The article also says that he could be fine in about a month which is what the original specialist told him over the summer.

Gallinari had seen a back specialist prior to recently? I don't remember him doing it before. Unless I'm just off.
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11/14/2008  6:28 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Yeah but Gallinari specialist told he was ready to come back as well because the disc resided. Something doesn't make sense. He was cleared by both his doctors and the Knicks medical staff. The article also says that he could be fine in about a month which is what the original specialist told him over the summer.

Ok, good point. Perhaps the Knicks medical staff's bad history was more my point.

Backs are really tricky things. Even though the original specialist told him the same thing as the current one(s) there is no real way to know what will happen. I'll say it again, THIS IS MORE THAN A PHYSICAL INJURY. I have more than a strong feeling that a young guy playing pro for many years with men coupled with the stress of moving to a new country might have more to do with it than what people think. Doctors are starting to see that MOST illness does have a mental component. They are seeing that just treating injuries on the physical level removes the great mind component. Think of Einsteins SpaceTime (one word) being analogous to BodyMind (one word). In other words you can't have one without the other and there is an inherent connection. The question is how much with Gallo?

Interesting to hear about Derick Rose and his back. Though not as bad you can see how something like it can really linger and even with young people.

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11/14/2008  7:19 AM
Dirk Happens Here?

If Dallas waited three years to finally get a respectibly productive Gerald Green (10 pts pgm) into the mix, can't we wait three years for Gallinari to find his voice?
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11/14/2008  8:20 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Dirk Happens Here?

If Dallas waited three years to finally get a respectibly productive Gerald Green (10 pts pgm) into the mix, can't we wait three years for Gallinari to find his voice?

Gerald Green's shooting 50% from the field, giving some solid production off the bench & signed to an $800K contract... we coulda easily had him on this team instead of Roberson... for the life of me i will never understand that signing.
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11/14/2008  8:47 AM
I honestly wish he did have surgery, its going to linger... i dont trust our staff.. if he had surgery at least we'd know he'd be 100%... now i feel like he never will be
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11/14/2008  9:01 AM
Posted by earthmansurfer:
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by Pharzeone:

This is not new or good news. He has been told by many specialists that he does not need surgery but none have been able to tell him why his pain persist after so many months. Check out the Gallinari bad back thread. The question is why does he still feel pain even after rest.

That article said it's because he rushed in trying to come back.

Yes, once again thanks to the Knicks medical staff. Is there a statistically worse one in the NBA?

I have only been posting since the summer, and I've always heard people talking about how bad the Knicks medical people are, and I am finally coming around to the belief that you guys are right.

It would seem that they treated the pain but did not deal with the underlying issue- the bulging disc, which needs rest more than anything else. You have to figure that Gallinari wanted to get back to play, and was anxious to get back in shape, but throughout his rehab you had heard him talk about the fact that his back was still giving him some problems. Seems to me that the Knicks have to really look at the people they use to make medical evaluations, and perhaps replace some of them with more competent doctors. At the very least, they should have a number of specialists they send their players to, so they canget more than one opinion. There should have been a better monitoring process.

Sad job by our medical pros.
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11/14/2008  12:57 PM
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by Pharzeone:

This is not new or good news. He has been told by many specialists that he does not need surgery but none have been able to tell him why his pain persist after so many months. Check out the Gallinari bad back thread. The question is why does he still feel pain even after rest.

That article said it's because he rushed in trying to come back.

Three months of non activity is rushing?
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11/14/2008  1:21 PM
They need to go down to Chinatown and get an acupuncturist up there. ;-)
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11/14/2008  1:25 PM
Posted by Elite:

I honestly wish he did have surgery, its going to linger... i dont trust our staff.. if he had surgery at least we'd know he'd be 100%... now i feel like he never will be

Elite,
I don't know. I think surgery does carry some risk. The decision should be and probably is based on what's best for his long term contribution to the team - my bet being they've already excepted the fact that this is a wasted year. But of course that's all speculation on my part.

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11/14/2008  1:52 PM
They need to put him in Jeffries cryogenic chamber in hopes that he can play in the summer leagues next year.
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11/14/2008  1:57 PM
Posted by Elite:

I honestly wish he did have surgery, its going to linger... i dont trust our staff.. if he had surgery at least we'd know he'd be 100%... now i feel like he never will be

Surgeries are not a guaranteed thing, especially in these cases. Every time you can heal with rest over surgery its great news. The thing here is that they need to get this thing right and so far it seems they aren't sure what's causing the problem and if at the end surgery is necessary, he better have it now than later...
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11/14/2008  2:06 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by Pharzeone:

This is not new or good news. He has been told by many specialists that he does not need surgery but none have been able to tell him why his pain persist after so many months. Check out the Gallinari bad back thread. The question is why does he still feel pain even after rest.

That article said it's because he rushed in trying to come back.

Three months of non activity is rushing?

That's what doesn't make sense. He was cleared by both Knicks medical staff and his doctors after consulting with back specialist. Ken Berger did a write up about this in September. He felt pain after doing some drills and got those cortisone shots. The specialist said he didn't need surgery at that time. Berger talked to other specialist who said that he wouldn't require surgery but said it was alarming that he was still in so much pain after the rest for a man of his age. Those specialist said that surgery could be the best option if the pain doesn't stop and the disc is sticking out. D'Antoni was against playing him in the home opener and putting him in the rotation but Walsh pushed it. There is enough blame to go around but it begins and ends with Walsh.
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11/14/2008  2:09 PM
Face it: Gallo is Done-o.
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11/14/2008  3:02 PM
No one can really be 100% accurate on diagnosing when someone's back is gonna heal. I do know that most specialists are going to say let it heal naturally unless there's some serious damage that only surgery can correct or if the situation is just not improving. But remember how long Q went before he got his surgery. It's not something you rush into, especially with a young guy like Gallo.

I don't know why they didn't just shut him down period. I know it's a bit deflating to have your prized pick not play in his 1st year, but Portland survived and so would we. He's young enough to let one season go. If he can heal and be pain free then let him play, but if he's still gonna have pain, then just give it up already and let him fully heal.
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