Honestly, I don't get it.

Do people here want to see a championship team in their lifetime? I mean, this is pretty ridiculous now. Talking about keeping Randolph and keeping Crawford and thinking we can actually do anything with these guys as the main pieces. Why? Because we're 4-2? And if we end up with 35 wins, then what will happen? "Yeah get rid of him, we wont with him." But if we win 40 games and make the playoffs it's "we can't trade this guy, he's an all-star." Give me a break.

Donnie Walsh came in here to get under the cap. I sincerely hope he isn't like any of you who have already turned their back on that plan in order to win now with a mediocre team. If you wanted to win-now, just bring back Isiah Thomas. That was his philosophy after all.

Guys like Randolph need to be traded while their value is high. Regardless of where we are at the trade deadline, we should trade him for the highest possible offer we can get(and it will probably be a very good one if he keeps playing like this). Zach Randolph makes 17 million a year - too much money for a guy who is better off serving as a 2nd-fiddle to a star player and is maybe a 3rd tier star at best. His contract simply kills the cap and does not allow us to make any maneuvers. Trading Curry is fine and all but you must trade Randolph OR Crawford and Jeffries to get under the cap. Let it be known that the future here is mediocrity. There is no championship brewing down the line in a few years with this roster. We need to have a chance to sign a superstar and D'Antoni can help us immensely with that. This is why it is important to raise the players value and trade them. It is not about this year or next, it is about the future. It is about eventually winning a title. Not every team can pull a Celtics. Teams build from the ground up and THEN make the necessary trades to solidify their team as a powerhouse. We are nowhere near that level to even consider deeming players untouchable.

Some of you are losing the point of the plan. Too many years and being starved for wins can do that to you but do not lose sight of the overall goal we are trying to accomplish. This team has a future - some young guys on the teams of course but the future lies in free agency. I guarantee the Knicks will be able to sign one major star if they have the money to do so. The question is do you people have that patience? Would you rather compete for the 8th seed with Randolph for the next 2 years or trade him when his value is high and get a pick(or picks) or some young players for him when you have the chance and then have a shot at LeBron or anyone else in the summer of 2010?

It is your choice. I'm not going to judge people on their opinions but it seems some have lost complete control and don't care about the future and only the present. Yes, we don't know what tomorrow holds and we do live for today but in sports when your team's future is nothing more than mediocre than you need to start looking at ways to improve that future. Free agency brightens the outlook. We have a chance to do something special. Some may not care or may disagree with me. That's fine. But be aware of the consequences of trying to win a championship with an Isiah Thomas roster.

Some of you are losing the point of the plan. Too many years and being starved for wins can do that to you but do not lose sight of the overall goal we are trying to accomplish.

correction, there's 3 of us who see reason on this board, me, Finestrg, & yourself... i think the rest have been dipping too much into the sauce of late... that can be the only explanation.

don't worry 49, i know u've been a consistent supporter of the 2010 plan from the very beginning... make that 4 of us who see reason.

I made this thread to find out why people are changing their tunes and abandoning the 2010 plan. I didn't make it so some immature people can come in here and insult each other. Please, just have a normal discussion and share your views. I would like to hear them.

And yes TMS, we are a dying breed.

2 year plan!
Lebron #1 target!
About half of these old out of whacked contracts will be gone by then!
There will be new players, along with our youth by the time it all happens.

Donnie said so.

And Donnies the one who's going to be calling the shots on how it's gonna happen. I don't make trade comments. I may agree with some of them, but it all comes down to Donnie.

I'm waiting the two years, I'm gonna defend the two years and enjoy what we can enjoy on the court right now, for' now until it all comes together.

DON'T WORRY, IT WILL BE OKAY! We have a plan vs. being controversial all the time. It's time to go with the plan.

if we make the playoffs this year w/Zach u can be sure that the plan for 2010 will be thrown right out the window, & that won't be Donnie Walsh's doing, it'll be Dolan's.

Posted by TMS:

yo Eny, u mah dawg but i think that was a little harsh... i don't see GK ragging on peeps for having an opinion on this thread... he's proposing his idea of how 2010 should be the way to go, just like ur saying u don't care about 2010 & wanna win now... everyone's entitled to have their own take on how to fix this franchise.

Who said I don't care about 2010? I want to win now if we can with and eye on 2010 or full out tank.......it doesn't matter to me how we do it. I'm not gonna bitch about it.

I think it was supremecomander that said I was bipolar or something not sure if it was him, cuz I say keep Lee one second and trade lee the next.......I'm like that with all the players cuz its not about them its about the Knicks......trade them all or trade some to peg holes and win now while you are trying to let salaries drop for 2010.......does it matter? Again Lebron could say he's done with basketball in 2010....then what?

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by TMS:

yo Eny, u mah dawg but i think that was a little harsh... i don't see GK ragging on peeps for having an opinion on this thread... he's proposing his idea of how 2010 should be the way to go, just like ur saying u don't care about 2010 & wanna win now... everyone's entitled to have their own take on how to fix this franchise.

Who said I don't care about 2010? I want to win now if we can with and eye on 2010 or full out tank.......it doesn't matter to me how we do it. I'm not gonna bitch about it.

I think it was supremecomander that said I was bipolar or something not sure if it was him, cuz I say keep Lee one second and trade lee the next.......I'm like that with all the players cuz its not about them its about the Knicks......trade them all or trade some to peg holes and win now while you are trying to let salaries drop for 2010.......does it matter? Again Lebron could say he's done with basketball in 2010....then what?

Lebron's not the only option in 2010, i think that point's been made over & over again on this forum... if u don't care how we go about it that's cool... i don't see a problem w/taking a side & defending it either... we all want what's best for this franchise in our own minds, but everyone's got their own take on how to go about it.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by TMS:

Some of you are losing the point of the plan. Too many years and being starved for wins can do that to you but do not lose sight of the overall goal we are trying to accomplish.

correction, there's 3 of us who see reason on this board, me, Finestrg, & yourself... i think the rest have been dipping too much into the sauce of late... that can be the only explanation.

Dude. WTF.

man up douchebag... u in or u out?

Posted by TMS:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by TMS:

Some of you are losing the point of the plan. Too many years and being starved for wins can do that to you but do not lose sight of the overall goal we are trying to accomplish.

correction, there's 3 of us who see reason on this board, me, Finestrg, & yourself... i think the rest have been dipping too much into the sauce of late... that can be the only explanation.

Dude. WTF.

man up douchebag... u in or u out?

I think you know where I stand. Everything I've ever mentioned has to do with being under the cap in 2010.

I assume this is because I was interested in acquiring Gerald Wallace. Yes you are right it hurts our cap for 2010 but I have no interest in keeping Wallace. I look at our situation as we should be acquiring as many assets as possible (for either our use or for trade use) and I think Wallace is certainly an asset, maybe not for us right now, but definitely for someone. I say we get him, shop him around for some more expiring contracts (there are plenty of teams who can use Wallace) and get back a good young player in the deal. If somehow we can't find a trade partner, something which I think is highly unlikely, then there will ALWAYS be opportunities for straight dump deal like the Clippers offered us for Zach.

if we can trade Curry & D Lee for G Wallace & a draft pick from CHA, i'd do it in a heartbeat... but i don't wanna simply replace Curry for G Wallace cuz i just don't feel the extra $23 million in salary & the subsequent load to our cap we'd be taking on would be worth it, even though straight up the obviously more talented player is Wallace.