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11/6/2008  5:11 PM
Wow, man. I think this just a stunt to put more media focus on him rather than the team but... wow.

http://njmg.typepad.com/knickknacks/2008/11/steph-being-steph-again.html
We wonder about Stephon Marbury, in case you haven't figured that out already, but Thursday, he made us do it again.

Besides not playing or dressing, he now isn't scrimmaging with the Knicks. His choice, Mike D'Antoni said, and Marbury chooses not to because he's not playing and he wants to let those who are get their run during practice.

Instead, during the portions of recent practices reporters have seen, he's spent some of his time pedaling a stationary bike as if he were Lance Armstrong, after Sheryl Crow just broke up with him (as opposed to Eddy Curry, who pedals like he's delivering newspapers). He's also done some stretching and individual work on the side.

But what made us wonder where Steph is at was when he declared he called his old high school in Brooklyn (Lincoln) about scrimmaging with its team. Yes, $21.9 million-man Stephon Marbury, scrimmaging with high school kids.

"Seriously," he insisted _ and Lincoln's coach, Dwayne Morton, confirmed to another reporter that the two have talked about it.

Besides the fact that this might not be kosher with his contract (neither the Knicks nor the Players Association had commented as this was written), what exactly was the point of saying this?

Is this Steph trying to throw more wood on the fire that's been his story _ because at some point, Steph sitting at the end of the bench becomes a tree falling in a forest with no one to care about it.

Is this Steph simply screwing with reporters, knowing that one or more tabloid might run with it hook, line and sinker?

We're thinking the latter _ although we've made mention of his remarks in what will run in Friday's print version of The Record.

Because with Steph, you always have to wonder. Truth or dare.

[Edited by - K22 on 2008-11-06 5:12 PM]
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11/6/2008  5:49 PM


If he does....or if he's allowed to do this....then he better watch out for this kid Lance Stevenson. He's a tough bastard......his game is in the mold of Mitch Richmond...just taller and with a mean streak.

edit: well he's listed as 6'5"....so he's exactly like Mitch Richmond...I hope the kid pans out.

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11/6/2008  9:25 PM
My friend went to school with Lance, he's not one of the brightest out there. I think he was left back and have no clue how he's getting into college.
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11/6/2008  11:37 PM
the kids at Lincoln HS are lucky to have such an awesome person to look up to & emulate... no seriously tho, they should look up to Marbs, the kid made it outta nowhere to make millions in the NBA for God's sakes... i just hope they don't emulate all the sideshow crap.
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11/7/2008  12:46 AM
Steph wants to go back to HS?

Its been done before......


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11/7/2008  9:43 AM
Sure, Coach D'Antoni...this story is going to get real boring and disappear just like you thought. Good call, you're not naive at all!

Every coach and GM should be forced to take "New York Lessons" before coming here.

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11/7/2008  10:41 AM
Posted by oohah:

Sure, Coach D'Antoni...this story is going to get real boring and disappear just like you thought. Good call, you're not naive at all!

Every coach and GM should be forced to take "New York Lessons" before coming here.

oohah


Marbury will always be a lightning rod for attention here regardless of his role or minutes. The coach either allows himself and the franchise to be held hostage by that or he doesn't. Not sure why you would advise that he should?
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11/7/2008  10:43 AM

I really think If marbury wants to play he should take a cut in salary and move on.

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11/7/2008  10:49 AM
Denied:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/11072008/sports/knicks/knicks_wont_let_steph_practice_at_lincol_137547.htm

KNICKS WON'T LET STEPH PRACTICE AT LINCOLN HIGH

By MARC BERMAN
SCHOOLED: Stephon Marbury, who wanted to practice with his alma-mater, Lincoln High, said the Knicks are opposed to that plan, and he won't press the issue.
Last updated: 9:23 am
November 7, 2008
Posted: 4:03 am
November 7, 2008

Exiled Stephon Marbury's dream of going back to high school has been squashed.

In another bizarre development, the 31-year-old Marbury said earlier yesterday he would like to practice with his alma-mater, Lincoln High, on his own time to stay in game shape - a plan KnicksNew York Knicks brass opposed. He had hoped to receive permission from Knicks president Donnie Walsh to practice with the Coney Island superpower.

"I've got nothing to say about it," Walsh said through a spokesman.

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According to a source, Knicks brass felt Marbury, who has decided to cease participating in team scrimmages during practices, would be in violation of his contract and place himself in danger because he could lose his money if he gets injured.

Last night when contacted at the team's Washington hotel, Marbury, after learning about the Knicks opposition to the plan, told The Post he's not going to try to persuade team officials to change their minds.

"I'm not going to do it, if it's going to be a problem," Marbury said. "I didn't think it would be."

Marbury may have needed "written consent" from Walsh. According to a standard player's contract, paragraph 12 states, in part, "The player agrees that he will not, without the written consent of the team, participate in any game or exhibition of basketball." The Player's Association last night was reviewing whether that includes participating in a high school practice during a season.

Before the plan fell through, Marbury, a 1995 graduate who won a state title for Lincoln, already had gotten the OK from the school's coach Dwayne Morton, a close friend.

"I called coach already and told them I was going to come," Marbury said yesterday after practice before flying with the team to Washington, where the Knicks face the Wizards tonight. "I'll be able to run up and down with them and at the same time teach the younger guys the NBA game."

In his first move to distance himself from his employer, Marbury has kept himself out of scrimmages, content to just do drills with the team. D'Antoni and Marbury said yesterday that is Marbury's choice, not the coach's. D'Antoni did not say whether he was bothered by Marbury's decision not to scrimmage.

Marbury hasn't played in the Knicks' four games and has been inactive in the past three. He said he doesn't want to take away time from the other guards who are activated.

"For me it's important for the other guys to play, Mardy (Collins), (Anthony) Roberson, being that I'm not playing," Marbury said. "I don't want to take that away from them. Those guys need to be ready. I just pretty much concentrate on the drills. When they start to play up and down I'll let them guys play. I know I'm not playing. Why would I take the time from them when they need to be on the basketball court playing?"

Yesterday, Marbury pedaled a bicycle and did stretching exercises on the sidelines as the Knicks scrimmaged.

Marbury will travel with the club Monday for its San Antonio-Memphis road trip.




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11/7/2008  11:52 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by oohah:

Sure, Coach D'Antoni...this story is going to get real boring and disappear just like you thought. Good call, you're not naive at all!

Every coach and GM should be forced to take "New York Lessons" before coming here.

oohah


Marbury will always be a lightning rod for attention here regardless of his role or minutes. The coach either allows himself and the franchise to be held hostage by that or he doesn't. Not sure why you would advise that he should?

I don't see what how your comment relates to what I am saying. I am talking about D'Antoni's naive comments that the story is going to get boring to the press, and, in his mind it seems, the story will fade when it won't. There are way to many angles, and too many people who want to talk to the media who can say what they want to. Anyone who has a clue about New York knows this, and this is why he needs to take New York classes.

Seriously, you don't his notion to be naive?

In regard to the "hostage situation", this is another thing he doesn't have control over -- anymore. When he did have control he played it entirely the wrong way. And I doubt you'll agree with me on this, but it isn't Marbury's fault this time. Basically the only thing he is doing is breathing. As DJ posted in a timeline recently, this season he has done only what has been asked of him, and said all the right things.

The "lightning rod" situation is more of a media contruct, and D'Antoni created this particular storm. Walsh stood by and did nothing.

I think D'Antoni and Walsh are in fact on the same page, unfortunately the book is: "The Dumbest Way to Deal New York Media".

The honeymoon is officially over. The only way to get the media to start talking about something else is for the Knicks to win consistently. And even then they will try to find the controversy. Part of the coaches' and GM's job in NYC is to avoid controversy, at least when the team is bad.

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11/7/2008  12:04 PM
Posted by oohah:

Every coach and GM should be forced to take "New York Lessons" before coming here.

I'd have the players take a few seminars too.

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11/7/2008  12:07 PM
ooha, i'm on my way out so can't get into the nitty gritty right now, but really, you're arguing out of both sides of your mouth at once. Which is the problem, Mikes "naive comments" that the story isn't going to change, or that he doesn't want to play Marbury and that you feel he should allow the media attention pressure him to?
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11/7/2008  12:07 PM
And here I was worried that this would be a boring season.

I wonder what Benchbury will do next.

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11/7/2008  12:24 PM
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ooha, i'm on my way out so can't get into the nitty gritty right now, but really, you're arguing out of both sides of your mouth at once. Which is the problem, Mikes "naive comments" that the story isn't going to change, or that he doesn't want to play Marbury and that you feel he should allow the media attention pressure him to?

Actually I'm not arguing out of both side of my mouth. You're trying to pull things from my words that I did not say. Instead let's deal with what I did say, okay?

I think you've missed the point. It is not that D'Antoni should allow the media to make his decisions or pressure him into doing things he doesn't want to after the fact. It is that he could have made the story much smaller or even non-existent if he and Walsh were in agreement that Marbury wouldn't play in the first place and D'Antoni did not play Marbury like he were part of the team for all of training camp.

That was a mistake! Even you say you think he didn't handle that well and you would have done it differently. So D'antoni creates the story all by his own self. Not Marbury, not the press, D'Antoni.

Second, whether or not D'Antoni made a mistake (Which you and I both agree he did in his handling of the situation) or decides to not play Marbuy from here on out, that is apparently entirely up to him, of course.

But his silly notion that the story is now going to "get boring" and fade is so off base I have to wonder if he thinks he is coaching Utah or something.

You're adding something I did not say, which is he should play Marbury or something to shut the press up. I did not say or imply anything like that. However, I did imply that D'Antoni needs to understand the nature of the New York press and fan base, and that it isn't going to adjust to him.

So there really isn't much "nitty gritty" to get into. D'Antoni created a controversy where there didn't need to be one, and he needs to understand that teh story isn't going to fade just because he says so. Anything crazy or "two-mouthed" in that statement?

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[Edited by - oohah on 07-11-2008 12:27 PM]
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11/7/2008  12:58 PM
this whole problem is happening simply because steph does not have an agent. So all of the executives have to deal with the knuckle head, there's no buffer and his head is so big that he can't see that. If he doesn't be careful he could be odd man out like spreewell became after the feed his family bit.
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11/7/2008  1:40 PM
Posted by Michael6835:

this whole problem is happening simply because steph does not have an agent. So all of the executives have to deal with the knuckle head, there's no buffer and his head is so big that he can't see that. If he doesn't be careful he could be odd man out like spreewell became after the feed his family bit.

What the hell does an agent have to do with this.
Walsh: Steph are you going to take less money if I offer it to you.
Marbury: No.
Walsh: Ok, then.

Walsh: Marbury's agent will Steph take less money if I offer it to him.
Marbury's agent: No, my client has a contract and expects to be paid in full.
Walsh: Ok, then.
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11/7/2008  1:41 PM
If I was coaching Lincoln High, I wouldn't dare let this clown poison my young star, Lance Stephenson.
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11/7/2008  4:37 PM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

If I was coaching Lincoln High, I wouldn't dare let this clown poison my young star, Lance Stephenson.

Steph was never interested in boys.
But girls are another story... Especially teens...
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11/7/2008  6:20 PM
Oohah, I didn't mean to accuse you of foul play by saying you're talking out both sides of your mouth at the same time. I'm not accusing you of duplicity, I'm just hearing contradictory statements. For instance, you say:
The "lightning rod" situation is more of a media contruct, and D'Antoni created this particular storm. Walsh stood by and did nothing.

To me, it's either a media construct, or something D'Antoni created. If D' created it it would be a D' construct.

It's nitpicking, I know, but it's relevant if one is trying to assign blame.

Lets move forward:

Posted by oohah:
Posted by BlueSeats:

ooha, i'm on my way out so can't get into the nitty gritty right now, but really, you're arguing out of both sides of your mouth at once. Which is the problem, Mikes "naive comments" that the story isn't going to change, or that he doesn't want to play Marbury and that you feel he should allow the media attention pressure him to?

Actually I'm not arguing out of both side of my mouth. You're trying to pull things from my words that I did not say. Instead let's deal with what I did say, okay?

I think you've missed the point. It is not that D'Antoni should allow the media to make his decisions or pressure him into doing things he doesn't want to after the fact. It is that he could have made the story much smaller or even non-existent if he and Walsh were in agreement that Marbury wouldn't play in the first place and D'Antoni did not play Marbury like he were part of the team for all of training camp.

That was a mistake! Even you say you think he didn't handle that well and you would have done it differently. So D'antoni creates the story all by his own self. Not Marbury, not the press, D'Antoni.


Actually, I argued that Walsh handled the Marbury (and Isiah) situation badly by not more assuredly removing him as a participant before the season began. If D' was part of that mistake (to give him another try) then I must include him in that blame. However, it's my speculation that, knowing he didn't like Steph's style of play, nor his negative lockerroom influence, that he did not want Steph on the team.

In any case, he had Steph for camp and preseason and had to give him a look and make some dicisions. And possibly showcase him. I have no problem with that. Nor can I fault him for deciding it was in the best interest of the team to minimize Steph's influence by season opener, which he did.

You're adding something I did not say, which is he should play Marbury or something to shut the press up. I did not say or imply anything like that. However, I did imply that D'Antoni needs to understand the nature of the New York press and fan base, and that it isn't going to adjust to him.

My mistake, but I was trying to find a relevance for your nitpick over D's statement. It was just a line to let them know the situation has been decided and it's not going to change in the foreseeable future. Do you really think the scenario would be significantly different if he said it in a different way? I don't.
So there really isn't much "nitty gritty" to get into. D'Antoni created a controversy where there didn't need to be one, and he needs to understand that teh story isn't going to fade just because he says so. Anything crazy or "two-mouthed" in that statement?

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 07-11-2008 12:27 PM]

D'antoni did not "create a controversy," he simply made a decision that in this town could not be anything but controversial. He gave a player who should not be here a look in preseason and went away from him for the season.

But I hope you understand that doing things differently on his part would have been a capitulation to pressure, or allowing himself to be held hostage by the situation.

[Edited by - blueseats on 11-07-2008 6:23 PM]
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11/7/2008  7:10 PM
No offense taken (anymore)
But I hope you understand that doing things differently on his part would have been a capitulation to pressure, or allowing himself to be held hostage by the situation.

I agree. Here is the thing. He is damned either way now. If he brings back Marbury he is still screwed.
My mistake, but I was trying to find a relevance for your nitpick over D's statement. It was just a line to let them know the situation has been decided and it's not going to change in the foreseeable future. Do you really think the scenario would be significantly different if he said it in a different way? I don't.

I think in his head D'Antoni believes he can tell the media to basically shut up and there is no story because the situation has been decided as you point out.

I really don't think he understands the nature of this town's press. It's rough even when things are good and it is the toughest place to be bad, which we are. I observed a lack of skin thickness from him last season in Phoenix with a much easier press situation. Even Parcells had a tough time here with the Jets. And Parcells knows this town like few coaches, and he has one of the biggest juice cards in all of coaching.

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[Edited by - oohah on 07-11-2008 7:12 PM]
Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
Steph wants to scrimmage with Lincoln HS kids???

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