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tommydee21
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11/3/2008  6:47 PM
Spoke to someone close to the Nets who said Willams can be had very cheap... say, collins and a second rounder.

http://www.theknicksblog.com/2008/11/03/nets-source-sean-williams-can-be-had-on-the-cheap/
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11/3/2008  6:48 PM
Collins is worthless my friend and who exactly are your sources? You aren't exactly Alan Hahn.
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11/3/2008  6:49 PM
I would have preferred we skipped Duhon and targeted Krstic. He would have been perfect for this system...oh well!

Williams is good enough that I think he could replace Lee pretty easily.

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11/3/2008  6:50 PM
Posted by tommydee21:

Spoke to someone close to the Nets who said Willams can be had very cheap... say, collins and a second rounder.

http://www.theknicksblog.com/2008/11/03/nets-source-sean-williams-can-be-had-on-the-cheap/

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11/3/2008  7:03 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

Collins is worthless my friend and who exactly are your sources? You aren't exactly Alan Hahn.

Well he's more reliable than Mark Berman right off the bat.
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11/3/2008  7:30 PM
oh yeah I forgot, bloggers can't have sources close to the nets.

nevermind.

LOL
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11/3/2008  7:31 PM
I think that's the story. The fact that the nets are so down on Williams that Collins and a pick would be considered.

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11/3/2008  7:31 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

Collins is worthless my friend and who exactly are your sources? You aren't exactly Alan Hahn.

Are you always this hostile?
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11/3/2008  7:34 PM
Posted by tommydee21:

I think that's the story. The fact that the nets are so down on Williams that Collins and a pick would be considered.

We seem to have a lack of bigs so the balkman 2nd rounder and collins would be a great deal for us. Malik could find his way out of the rotation...watching him drive the lane makes me a bit nauseated. Although Collins 2 airballs per game are almost as funny as Jerome James.
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11/3/2008  7:36 PM
Watching the games in pre-season and the past 3 games, it just seems that D'Antoni does not like DLee too much since he is not an offensive minded PF. He likes his players to be multi-faceted in the offensive side. If we are going to trade with NJ, I would suggest the following..

DLee, Nate and Mardy for Yi Jianlian, Sean Williams and CDR.

D'Antoni gets shooters in Yi and CDR and and athletic Williams to be his version Amare here. Just rebound, run and dunk.

The Nets would be rebuilt just like that.
C-Brook Lopez
PF-DLee
SF-Hayes
SG-Carter
PG-Harris
Bench-Nate, Ryan Anderson, Boone, Dooling.
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11/3/2008  7:40 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:

Watching the games in pre-season and the past 3 games, it just seems that D'Antoni does not like DLee too much since he is not an offensive minded PF. He likes his players to be multi-faceted in the offensive side. If we are going to trade with NJ, I would suggest the following..

DLee, Nate and Mardy for Yi Jianlian, Sean Williams and CDR.

D'Antoni gets shooters in Yi and CDR and and athletic Williams to be his version Amare here. Just rebound, run and dunk.

The Nets would be rebuilt just like that.
C-Brook Lopez
PF-DLee
SF-Hayes
SG-Carter
PG-Harris
Bench-Nate, Ryan Anderson, Boone, Dooling.

That trade begs the question whether trading Jefferson for Yi was purely a salary dump or whether there was some real interest in Yi. If I am the Nets, i don't make that trade not because of the talent factor, but because resiging Lee and Nate costs them 2010 dollars. They dropped a lot of talent to get under the cap, I am not sure Nate and Lee are how they want to spend that money.
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11/3/2008  7:47 PM
Posted by EwingsGlass:
Posted by NYKBocker:

Watching the games in pre-season and the past 3 games, it just seems that D'Antoni does not like DLee too much since he is not an offensive minded PF. He likes his players to be multi-faceted in the offensive side. If we are going to trade with NJ, I would suggest the following..

DLee, Nate and Mardy for Yi Jianlian, Sean Williams and CDR.

D'Antoni gets shooters in Yi and CDR and and athletic Williams to be his version Amare here. Just rebound, run and dunk.

The Nets would be rebuilt just like that.
C-Brook Lopez
PF-DLee
SF-Hayes
SG-Carter
PG-Harris
Bench-Nate, Ryan Anderson, Boone, Dooling.

That trade begs the question whether trading Jefferson for Yi was purely a salary dump or whether there was some real interest in Yi. If I am the Nets, i don't make that trade not because of the talent factor, but because resiging Lee and Nate costs them 2010 dollars. They dropped a lot of talent to get under the cap, I am not sure Nate and Lee are how they want to spend that money.

Who says they have to keep either of those players though? They can trade THEM by the trading deadline or even do a sign and trade, maybe for draft picks. Not sure if the Nets are actually willing to do that, but the Knicks definitely better be willing.
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11/3/2008  7:53 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by EwingsGlass:
Posted by NYKBocker:

Watching the games in pre-season and the past 3 games, it just seems that D'Antoni does not like DLee too much since he is not an offensive minded PF. He likes his players to be multi-faceted in the offensive side. If we are going to trade with NJ, I would suggest the following..

DLee, Nate and Mardy for Yi Jianlian, Sean Williams and CDR.

D'Antoni gets shooters in Yi and CDR and and athletic Williams to be his version Amare here. Just rebound, run and dunk.

The Nets would be rebuilt just like that.
C-Brook Lopez
PF-DLee
SF-Hayes
SG-Carter
PG-Harris
Bench-Nate, Ryan Anderson, Boone, Dooling.

That trade begs the question whether trading Jefferson for Yi was purely a salary dump or whether there was some real interest in Yi. If I am the Nets, i don't make that trade not because of the talent factor, but because resiging Lee and Nate costs them 2010 dollars. They dropped a lot of talent to get under the cap, I am not sure Nate and Lee are how they want to spend that money.

Who says they have to keep either of those players though? They can trade THEM by the trading deadline or even do a sign and trade, maybe for draft picks. Not sure if the Nets are actually willing to do that, but the Knicks definitely better be willing.

The preface to my question is whether the Nets acquired Yi because they believe he can develop into seriosu talent or whether they merely wanted to dump Jefferson's salary. If they have interest in Yi as a player, I do not think they will want Lee and Nate who cannot be retained without a $$$ check. And, on acquiring other assets, why would they take the risk of losing these players if what they really want is draft picks... why not force a third team to get involved in that instance? The trade doesn't make much sense for the Nets not because of talent, but because of the long term financial goals of the team...
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11/3/2008  8:01 PM
If it's purely for a long term plan, you are right, but again, they can just trade Nate and Lee for a pick if they try, or they can just opt not to resign them this summer. Then long term security is still in balance.

However, if it is about talent, then maybe they are not impressed with Yi and do like Nate and Lee a lot better and would be willing to trade him in that package. Again, it's just NYKBockers idea, but I'm just trying to think of how it can and cannot work.

With that being said, I don't understand why they would want to trade Richard Jefferson, who is still young and a boarderline all star, just for a salary dump. Don't you think they would try to get a little more compensation than that, unless they really felt like Yi could be a great player for now and the long term.

I guess we'll never know, unless the Knicks try to trade for Sean Williams, which I think they should, if TommyDee's so called "sources" know what they are saying.
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11/3/2008  8:09 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:
Posted by tommydee21:

Spoke to someone close to the Nets who said Willams can be had very cheap... say, collins and a second rounder.

http://www.theknicksblog.com/2008/11/03/nets-source-sean-williams-can-be-had-on-the-cheap/

Do you have Walsh's e-mail?

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11/3/2008  8:14 PM
First of all, if we make a trade with NJ for a big, Josh Boone and Ryan Anderson are the guys I'm interested in. How 'bout we just cut Steph and be done with it, grab Justin Williams for the minimum and keep and develop Collins. There's more to this whole Steph thing obviously, but if you believe at least part of what D'Antoni's saying he wants to develop Collins - giving Steph minutes would interfer with the development of our young guards - that's at least part of the reason why Steph's not playing. Bottom line is I wouldn't trade anything for Sean Williams when Justin Williams is available right now for nothing. They're the same player..

Buy-out or waive Marbury. Lee straight up or Lee and a second rounder for Ryan Anderson and Douglas-Roberts (let the Nets then worry about paying Lee, meanwhile we get two young players with very good promise that are contract-controlled for the time being). Then grab either Justin Williams or Pat Ewing Jr. for the minimum for the last spot. 3 good moves that would help us. The roster would be at 15.


[Edited by - finestrg on 11-03-2008 8:34 PM]
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11/3/2008  8:32 PM
Posted by Finestrg:

First of all, if we make a trade with NJ for a big, Josh Boone and Ryan Anderson are the guys I'm interested in. How 'bout we just cut Steph and be done with it, grab Justin Williams for the minimum and keep and develop Collins. There's more to this whole Steph thing obviously, but if you believe at least part of what D'Antoni's saying he wants to develop Collins - that's why Steph's not playing. Bottom line is I wouldn't trade anything for Sean Williams when Justin Williams is available right now for nothing. They're the same player..

Buy-out or waive Marbury. Lee straight up or Lee and a second rounder for Ryan Anderson and Douglas-Roberts. Then grab either Justin Williams or Pat Ewing Jr. for the minimum for the last spot. 3 good moves that would help us. The roster would be at 15.

[Edited by - finestrg on 11-03-2008 8:27 PM]

I don't know Justin Williams well, but I've watch plenty of Sean Williams. He is 50X the defensive player Lee is and has more innate offensive skill too. He rebounds pretty well though I wouldn't say quite as well as Lee. I'm not sure about his brains.

Bottom line I'd say Sean Williams has more potential than Lee.

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11/3/2008  8:33 PM
Posted by Finestrg:

First of all, if we make a trade with NJ for a big, Josh Boone and Ryan Anderson are the guys I'm interested in. How 'bout we just cut Steph and be done with it, grab Justin Williams for the minimum and keep and develop Collins. There's more to this whole Steph thing obviously, but if you believe at least part of what D'Antoni's saying he wants to develop Collins - that's why Steph's not playing. Bottom line is I wouldn't trade anything for Sean Williams when Justin Williams is available right now for nothing. They're the same player..

Buy-out or waive Marbury. Lee straight up or Lee and a second rounder for Ryan Anderson and Douglas-Roberts. Then grab either Justin Williams or Pat Ewing Jr. for the minimum for the last spot. 3 good moves that would help us. The roster would be at 15.

[Edited by - finestrg on 11-03-2008 8:27 PM]


Why would the Nets want Lee? He serves no purpose for the Nets. Lee can rebound and is a crappy shooter outside 5 feet. Boone gives you that and you want them to throw in Douglas-Roberts too come on. You forget they want nothing to do with resigning Lee next year because they are looking to get set for 2010.

The love for Lee is out of control. When I see Lee I see a decent player but thats it.
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11/3/2008  8:39 PM
collins sucks. no great loss, so its a 2nd rounder--definately worth a flier.
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11/3/2008  8:46 PM
wow Sean Williams
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