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cooch2584
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11/3/2008  3:56 PM
Come on people!! Did everyone forget how good they looked in that first game?? You gotta give this team and coach a decent chance before you rip them all up.Lets compare this team to the Jets for a second. They sucked last year agreed?? They got a new QB( or point guard to equate in bball language) they over hauled some of their coaches and IMO I was hoping for a 8-8 season and they look good right now. Lets give this Knicks team a few games to see how they click before we put them on the cross. IMO let give them 25 games to bring the excitement we need. Up until the trade deadline lets just take notes, look at other players we might be able to trade for and give these guys a chance. They have had such a losing attitude in the Garden for so long it aint gonna go away fast. Im interested in your opinions.
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11/3/2008  3:58 PM
it might be a good idea for everyone to take a break from the knicks and turn msg back on in about 24-36 months...
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11/3/2008  4:03 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

it might be a good idea for everyone to take a break from the knicks and turn msg back on in about 24-36 months...

haha...

maybe not quite this long, but i do think avoiding the tabloid press (sadly the majority of sports coverage) is at least one thing some can do. some kind of patience is needed, regardless. i know we've had years of frustration, but we all know this wasn't going to change overnight.

most are not expecting the playoffs, and we could get a high pick if we stink, as many seem to have said they wanted anyway.

as you have said before, su, many of these players will not be here in a 2 years.

if you can't wait for this, then your recommendation might be worthwhile...
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11/3/2008  4:10 PM
Posted by cooch2584:

Come on people!! Did everyone forget how good they looked in that first game?? You gotta give this team and coach a decent chance before you rip them all up.Lets compare this team to the Jets for a second. They sucked last year agreed?? They got a new QB( or point guard to equate in bball language) they over hauled some of their coaches and IMO I was hoping for a 8-8 season and they look good right now. Lets give this Knicks team a few games to see how they click before we put them on the cross. IMO let give them 25 games to bring the excitement we need. Up until the trade deadline lets just take notes, look at other players we might be able to trade for and give these guys a chance. They have had such a losing attitude in the Garden for so long it aint gonna go away fast. Im interested in your opinions.

When they play well they will look good and when the play normal or bad they will lose. We have around a 30 win team. Maybe Crawford goes buts and we get to 33-35.

Unless Galinari busts out like the next Tom chambers. I'll happily eat my words then.

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11/3/2008  4:20 PM
I say maybe just maybe they win 35-40 games. Now if they did that would that make for a improvement in you guys eyes. Or as some have said before( I forgot who) if they dont make the playoffs with this new coach amd mgt team that then they are a bust.It took this team a lot of yrs to look this bad. Like I have said before if they hustle, and play like they wanna win and it is exciting to watch Im in for this the whole long haul.All i want to see is a product that makes me wanna tune into MSG and be happy with the way they are playing.You guys have no idea how i look forward to watching ANY knicks team play!!
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11/3/2008  4:25 PM
My pick is 33 win team with no playoffs
lets get ready for the draft??? But I don't trust Walsh in the draft.
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11/3/2008  4:57 PM
I say just stay even keel. We will stink many nights, and on some nights they will tantalize us with their play. What we need to be more concerned with is how our young guys improve over time. And if they do, the team will as well. Maybe even enough that we can pretend we are going to make a run from the 8th seed. But chances are we will suffer many of the issues we suffered from last year. I't s a given. Just relax and prepare for a looooooong rebuild
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11/3/2008  5:11 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I say just stay even keel. We will stink many nights, and on some nights they will tantalize us with their play. What we need to be more concerned with is how our young guys improve over time. And if they do, the team will as well. Maybe even enough that we can pretend we are going to make a run from the 8th seed. But chances are we will suffer many of the issues we suffered from last year. I't s a given. Just relax and prepare for a looooooong rebuild

It's funny Bip how just about every Knick fan screamed for years that they wanted a rebuild and now that we're pretty much seeing that happen, guys are angry that the team isn't showing more promise after 3 games. Don't they realize that this process can take YEARS??? Right now we simply must let these guys take their lumps. They've got to learn in the crucible of regular season play. Hopefully after 82 games they'll have grown and improved and those who haven't will be gone. We're not locked into any of them long term at this point.

Still when it comes to this process we need to be patient.
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11/3/2008  5:57 PM
ummmmmmmm hasnt someone on this board said that from the start?? OHHHHHHHHHH YEAAAAAAAA IT WAS ME!!!!
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11/3/2008  6:02 PM
This team sucks. I don't need 25 games. I've seen them for 4 years. Their time is up. Hopefully they will all be gone by 2010.
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11/3/2008  6:30 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Bippity10:

I say just stay even keel. We will stink many nights, and on some nights they will tantalize us with their play. What we need to be more concerned with is how our young guys improve over time. And if they do, the team will as well. Maybe even enough that we can pretend we are going to make a run from the 8th seed. But chances are we will suffer many of the issues we suffered from last year. I't s a given. Just relax and prepare for a looooooong rebuild

It's funny Bip how just about every Knick fan screamed for years that they wanted a rebuild and now that we're pretty much seeing that happen, guys are angry that the team isn't showing more promise after 3 games. Don't they realize that this process can take YEARS??? Right now we simply must let these guys take their lumps. They've got to learn in the crucible of regular season play. Hopefully after 82 games they'll have grown and improved and those who haven't will be gone. We're not locked into any of them long term at this point.

Still when it comes to this process we need to be patient.

I'm with you. We have a team of role players. While we are searching for a star through the draft/free agency we should be watching to see if one of our young guys has the ability to turn into a star. Or finding which role players can help us win down the line. This is what rebuilding is. We just can't seem to accept it.
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11/3/2008  6:34 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Bippity10:

I say just stay even keel. We will stink many nights, and on some nights they will tantalize us with their play. What we need to be more concerned with is how our young guys improve over time. And if they do, the team will as well. Maybe even enough that we can pretend we are going to make a run from the 8th seed. But chances are we will suffer many of the issues we suffered from last year. I't s a given. Just relax and prepare for a looooooong rebuild

It's funny Bip how just about every Knick fan screamed for years that they wanted a rebuild and now that we're pretty much seeing that happen, guys are angry that the team isn't showing more promise after 3 games. Don't they realize that this process can take YEARS??? Right now we simply must let these guys take their lumps. They've got to learn in the crucible of regular season play. Hopefully after 82 games they'll have grown and improved and those who haven't will be gone. We're not locked into any of them long term at this point.

Still when it comes to this process we need to be patient.

It would be easier for some of us if we were in a regular rebuilding mode. That would be having some young players to build around (jury still out on Chandler and Gallinari), if we had cap space (lets not get into that) and had a well managed organization. So far we are still the laughingstock of the NBA, and this Marbury fiasco only gave it more life. It's been 7 straight losing seasons and we have no young star with potential to represent those years with high draft picks because of the horrible trades we've made.

And now that we have a new management, we still make some moves that make no sense, like the Balkman trade, waiving Jr. and the Marbury fiasco that has practically made it impossible to at least trade him.

The only good thing that has happened lately is signing D'Antoni, and I'm still not sure I like this no-defense system that makes anyone shoot three's like the world is gonna end, even if they end up missing 80% of them.

Meanwhile, Detroit makes a heck of a deal that puts them in position for "2010", something we are supposedly trying to do. Walsh and D'Antoni preach patience, but they just arrived. We've suffered this for so many years now that its understandable to lose faith...
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11/3/2008  6:48 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Bippity10:

I say just stay even keel. We will stink many nights, and on some nights they will tantalize us with their play. What we need to be more concerned with is how our young guys improve over time. And if they do, the team will as well. Maybe even enough that we can pretend we are going to make a run from the 8th seed. But chances are we will suffer many of the issues we suffered from last year. I't s a given. Just relax and prepare for a looooooong rebuild

It's funny Bip how just about every Knick fan screamed for years that they wanted a rebuild and now that we're pretty much seeing that happen, guys are angry that the team isn't showing more promise after 3 games. Don't they realize that this process can take YEARS??? Right now we simply must let these guys take their lumps. They've got to learn in the crucible of regular season play. Hopefully after 82 games they'll have grown and improved and those who haven't will be gone. We're not locked into any of them long term at this point.

Still when it comes to this process we need to be patient.

I'm with you. We have a team of role players. While we are searching for a star through the draft/free agency we should be watching to see if one of our young guys has the ability to turn into a star. Or finding which role players can help us win down the line. This is what rebuilding is. We just can't seem to accept it.

Chandler could be a star or, more realistically, a very good player ala Pippen. Nate and Lee are excellent role players. Gallinari is still a mystery but may become a very good player at some point. The rest? Too inconsistent to consider as part of the future. Crawford as your shooting guard and being as inconsistent and as terrible defender as he is? Zach is basically the same player but on the frontcourt. He needs way too many shots to get going. Maybe with a strong defensive Center you keep him, but so far thats not happening. What else?

Right now the only thing to look forward to is Gallinari's play, and at this point its not gonna happen enough...
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11/3/2008  6:53 PM
“We’re going to get through this,” D’Antoni said. “And don’t be jumping off the bandwagon too quick because that’s not the smart thing to do right now, but we’re going to get through this.”
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11/3/2008  6:58 PM
cooch - in New York all you need is a two beat writers to scream "fire" and everyone runs.

The process that was set in motion by Walsh and D'Antoni was never going to be pretty. Divorce is never pretty. The fact Marbury represents himself only makes the divorce problemmatic and more awkward in terms of direct dialogue.

The Knicks playing personality will begin to take shape in February

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11/3/2008  7:01 PM
The Knicks playing personality will begin to take shape in February

Please supply a year to go along with the month.

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[Edited by - oohah on 03-11-2008 7:01 PM]
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11/4/2008  11:29 AM
Posted by Knicksfan:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Bippity10:

I say just stay even keel. We will stink many nights, and on some nights they will tantalize us with their play. What we need to be more concerned with is how our young guys improve over time. And if they do, the team will as well. Maybe even enough that we can pretend we are going to make a run from the 8th seed. But chances are we will suffer many of the issues we suffered from last year. I't s a given. Just relax and prepare for a looooooong rebuild

It's funny Bip how just about every Knick fan screamed for years that they wanted a rebuild and now that we're pretty much seeing that happen, guys are angry that the team isn't showing more promise after 3 games. Don't they realize that this process can take YEARS??? Right now we simply must let these guys take their lumps. They've got to learn in the crucible of regular season play. Hopefully after 82 games they'll have grown and improved and those who haven't will be gone. We're not locked into any of them long term at this point.

Still when it comes to this process we need to be patient.

I'm with you. We have a team of role players. While we are searching for a star through the draft/free agency we should be watching to see if one of our young guys has the ability to turn into a star. Or finding which role players can help us win down the line. This is what rebuilding is. We just can't seem to accept it.

Chandler could be a star or, more realistically, a very good player ala Pippen. Nate and Lee are excellent role players. Gallinari is still a mystery but may become a very good player at some point. The rest? Too inconsistent to consider as part of the future. Crawford as your shooting guard and being as inconsistent and as terrible defender as he is? Zach is basically the same player but on the frontcourt. He needs way too many shots to get going. Maybe with a strong defensive Center you keep him, but so far thats not happening. What else?

Right now the only thing to look forward to is Gallinari's play, and at this point its not gonna happen enough...

So what is your suggestion. Cut all the players and play with 5?

By nature role players are inconsistent. That's why they are role players. Role players have gaps in their games. Role players look horrible when they are asked to do what they are incapable of doing. Role players look great when they are placed into the proper roles. Some like Robert Horry go from being considered lazy to being a part of history. We don't have a star and our players are role players. Mike will evaluate who he wants to carry with him a few years from now and he won't do it with the emotion that you and I will as a fan. That's what this year is for, evaluation. We may hate it, but it doesn't change anything.
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11/4/2008  11:54 AM
Posted by GKFv2:

This team sucks. I don't need 25 games. I've seen them for 4 years. Their time is up. Hopefully they will all be gone by 2010.

How dare you blaspheme. We all know we need 25 games to see Chris Duhon become the engine that employs D'Antoni's genius.
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11/4/2008  12:08 PM
So what is your suggestion. Cut all the players and play with 5?

By nature role players are inconsistent. That's why they are role players. Role players have gaps in their games. Role players look horrible when they are asked to do what they are incapable of doing. Role players look great when they are placed into the proper roles. Some like Robert Horry go from being considered lazy to being a part of history. We don't have a star and our players are role players. Mike will evaluate who he wants to carry with him a few years from now and he won't do it with the emotion that you and I will as a fan. That's what this year is for, evaluation. We may hate it, but it doesn't change anything.

But why can't our role players be consistent?
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