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11/3/2008  8:58 AM
Im certinly not calling Marbury the end of all that ends all but for the most part in pre-season he was a core part of our GOOD games. He was able to attack score 10-12 points off the bench make some nice passes handle the ball he played pretty good D and now that player is gone. Maybe it doesnt matter but it does explain why we have gone down in scoring quite quickly. I thought with a line up of


Randolph
Lee
Q Rich
Crawford
Duhon
Curry
Gallinari or Jefferies
Chanlder
Nate
Marbury

That we would be able to contain with the first unit and win ++ on the second unit and keep people fresh. It even showed that way in pre-season our bench provided huge sparks except the one game he started 3 6 foot players.

I think that they should re-think some things if they intend to win. Like Keeping Marbury and giving him a solid role like he had in pre-season and getting Curry on the 2nd unit and just force him into shape. Curry still is 6-11 285 and if we can get him back to 2006 form he could really help off the bench. We are just so small--how can we not use Curry?

And if this is not the case--then start cutting people and let Chandler Gallinari and Lee play 40 minutes.

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11/3/2008  9:00 AM
nah, let's just lose 60 games and get in the #1 lottery pick.
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11/3/2008  9:20 AM
Besides 5 more wins and a lower lottery pick, what does playing Marbury gain you?
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11/3/2008  9:45 AM
Posted by martin:

Besides 5 more wins and a lower lottery pick, what does playing Marbury gain you?

It would help with the futility in scoring as well as making the team I CHEER for a little more entertaining. If this is all about basketball, winning, and clean slates; lets use the players we have now. I think as fans we deserve a little more, besides what we have been getting the first three games of the season, for sticking out over the IT years. Yeah, everyone says that Marbury is the representation of the IT years but what about everyone else with bad contracts as well as shooting percentages. Marbury is just a scapegoat! IMHO everyone was a little more optimistic during the preseason when Marbury was getting his 20 minutes a game. When he is gone who will we have to blame then? Curry, who is taking up a spot? If that is the case so is everyone else.
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11/3/2008  9:52 AM
Posted by martin:

Besides 5 more wins and a lower lottery pick, what does playing Marbury gain you?

nothing for the fan that's sitting at home. but for those buying tix, can the knicks honestly say they are putting their best team on the court?
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11/3/2008  10:35 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by martin:

Besides 5 more wins and a lower lottery pick, what does playing Marbury gain you?

nothing for the fan that's sitting at home. but for those buying tix, can the knicks honestly say they are putting their best team on the court?

the Knicks are implementing a long term strategy. Buy tickets at your own risk.
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11/3/2008  10:35 AM
Posted by EWING33BXNY:
Posted by martin:

Besides 5 more wins and a lower lottery pick, what does playing Marbury gain you?

It would help with the futility in scoring as well as making the team I CHEER for a little more entertaining. If this is all about basketball, winning, and clean slates; lets use the players we have now. I think as fans we deserve a little more, besides what we have been getting the first three games of the season, for sticking out over the IT years. Yeah, everyone says that Marbury is the representation of the IT years but what about everyone else with bad contracts as well as shooting percentages. Marbury is just a scapegoat! IMHO everyone was a little more optimistic during the preseason when Marbury was getting his 20 minutes a game. When he is gone who will we have to blame then? Curry, who is taking up a spot? If that is the case so is everyone else.

you didn't answer my question.
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11/3/2008  10:37 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by EWING33BXNY:
Posted by martin:

Besides 5 more wins and a lower lottery pick, what does playing Marbury gain you?

It would help with the futility in scoring as well as making the team I CHEER for a little more entertaining. If this is all about basketball, winning, and clean slates; lets use the players we have now. I think as fans we deserve a little more, besides what we have been getting the first three games of the season, for sticking out over the IT years. Yeah, everyone says that Marbury is the representation of the IT years but what about everyone else with bad contracts as well as shooting percentages. Marbury is just a scapegoat! IMHO everyone was a little more optimistic during the preseason when Marbury was getting his 20 minutes a game. When he is gone who will we have to blame then? Curry, who is taking up a spot? If that is the case so is everyone else.

you didn't answer my question.

It would help with the futility in scoring as well as making the team I CHEER for a little more entertaining.
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11/3/2008  10:44 AM
Yes he did, he said something for the fans to cheer for, but it's not really valid. We need to rebuild and we need a superstar to build around. Buying out Marbury is a start. He'll net us a few extra wins, as Martin said, but he wont be THAT much use. We still need a big shooter who's consistent. Morris Almond is a great idea, if Utah really is not planning on utilizing him. Also, why doesn't Walsh try to trade for D'Antoni's guy, Raja Bell? He'd be a great vet presence, better on defense, who is much more consistent. Not a main option, but at least can hit shots, show leadership, play defense, and knows how to work with D'Antoni.
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11/3/2008  10:46 AM
Posted by EWING33BXNY:
Posted by martin:
Posted by EWING33BXNY:
Posted by martin:

Besides 5 more wins and a lower lottery pick, what does playing Marbury gain you?

It would help with the futility in scoring as well as making the team I CHEER for a little more entertaining. If this is all about basketball, winning, and clean slates; lets use the players we have now. I think as fans we deserve a little more, besides what we have been getting the first three games of the season, for sticking out over the IT years. Yeah, everyone says that Marbury is the representation of the IT years but what about everyone else with bad contracts as well as shooting percentages. Marbury is just a scapegoat! IMHO everyone was a little more optimistic during the preseason when Marbury was getting his 20 minutes a game. When he is gone who will we have to blame then? Curry, who is taking up a spot? If that is the case so is everyone else.

you didn't answer my question.

It would help with the futility in scoring as well as making the team I CHEER for a little more entertaining.

Besides 5 more wins and a lower lotter pick, how does playing Marbury help the knicks in the long term?
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11/3/2008  10:50 AM
Besides 5 more wins and a lower lotter pick, how does playing Marbury help the knicks in the long term?

We've been talking about the long term for quite a long term have we not?

I say we just try to win some games.

oohah

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11/3/2008  10:54 AM
Okay, so now Mike's a genius not playing Marbury and it's intentional so we tank our way to 15 wins and a certified 1st round pick?

That's not true nor realistic.

This team plain stinks. Mike D hates Marbury as does Dolan and that's one reason he's sitting. Tanking doesn't certify you the #1 pick. Ask the Bulls who had a BETTER record than us and landed Derrick Rose.

If this is what you guys believe than that's cool but none of it is true.

(On Multiple Forums Mind You!:::) After we beat Miami too many people were talking about how much better we look than last year. After signing Duhon and MikeD it was all about culture change and playing under a good coach and playing hard and winning as many games as possible to set a new standard.

Now we're 1-2 and it's we're tanking on purpose? Now Mike D is some genius who is confusing these players into chucking selfishly to 30% shooting?


Sorry, not biting on that POV, for it's not true at all.

What happens if we blow out the Bobcats? 7SOL is suddenly genius coaching again and we're 2-2 and that's 41-41 over a season and that's the playoffs and Crawful is the best 2G in the league again?

Man, the bi-polar attitude of the Knick fan base game to game has grown to absurd lengths...

Win: We're finals bound.
Lose: MikeD and Walsh are genius for tanking for what is sure to be the best franchise player to ever enter the draft!


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11/3/2008  10:54 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Yes he did, he said something for the fans to cheer for, but it's not really valid. We need to rebuild and we need a superstar to build around. Buying out Marbury is a start. He'll net us a few extra wins, as Martin said, but he wont be THAT much use. We still need a big shooter who's consistent. Morris Almond is a great idea, if Utah really is not planning on utilizing him. Also, why doesn't Walsh try to trade for D'Antoni's guy, Raja Bell? He'd be a great vet presence, better on defense, who is much more consistent. Not a main option, but at least can hit shots, show leadership, play defense, and knows how to work with D'Antoni.

Isn't that what we have Qrich here for. Sorry for the negativity though.

I have been a KNICKS fan since the early 80's. I remember horrible years leading up to Pat getting drafted and the good times after that. We didn't win any championships but it was a good ride. I think its time we have a good ride again. Not putting your best out there is not fair. If we can't get anything for it in the time-being lets at least work with it. This whole lets see what we have approach is something you do in January/February time frame. Not three games into the season. This approach is just giving management an EXCUSE to lose and the hate for Marbury has everyone buying into it.

IMHO we just ended up with someone who might be as EGOTISTICAL or STUBBORN as LB.

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11/3/2008  11:00 AM
Do we even have our first round pick this year? I thought we still owed Utah a pick. If we don't, then it makes even less sense not to play Marbury. I mean really who is MDA evaluating. The only pg with potential beyond 2010 is Nate and maybe Collins. Duhon is a stop gap and I would rather Nate as our long-term backup pg than Duhon due to Duhon's offensive limitations. Collins is never going to be anything more than a spot player unless he makes a substantial improvement in his jumpshot. It is improving slowly but still has a long way to go. Bottomline, they could have won the game yesterday if Marbury played. If we don't have our first round pick, then we might as well win as many games as we can. I agree with not starting Marbury, but to not play him at all is overkill, especially since we need a top flight pg.
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11/3/2008  11:02 AM
Martin, there is nothing long term about D'Antoni's system Martin without Nash and Amare. All you need to know about those long term goals is look at his wonderful work in Denver for that one year and that first year in Phoenix. One thing I noticed is that non-MSG outlets have been bringing up his record without Nash more and more.
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11/3/2008  11:05 AM
Posted by martin:

Besides 5 more wins and a lower lottery pick, what does playing Marbury gain you?

I am right there with you Martin - as much as it hurts to see the team lose, playing marbs isnt going to help us in the long term. However, there is always the possibility that if he produces he can be traded and we can get some value. I think the team has decided the risk of doing that is not worth it and that long term whats best for the team is to rebuild - isnt this what most people on UK have been asking for?
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11/3/2008  11:08 AM
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Besides 5 more wins and a lower lotter pick, how does playing Marbury help the knicks in the long term?

We've been talking about the long term for quite a long term have we not?

I say we just try to win some games.

oohah

we have been talking about it but Isiah and company have been in a win-now mode for the last 3 years.

Playing Marbury to get another 5 wins this year does NOTHING for the long term viability of the franchise. Playing the young guys to see what you got and give them experience betters the team in the long run.

Wilson got nada last year. Think it would have been good to get him more consistent minutes?

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11/3/2008  11:09 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Martin, there is nothing long term about D'Antoni's system Martin without Nash and Amare. All you need to know about those long term goals is look at his wonderful work in Denver for that one year and that first year in Phoenix. One thing I noticed is that non-MSG outlets have been bringing up his record without Nash more and more.

MDA won many a championship over in Europe with the same philosophy. Don't know if the Knicks have enough of the parts to run the system with the current roster, but have you really come to a conclusion 3 games in?
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11/3/2008  11:11 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Martin, there is nothing long term about D'Antoni's system Martin without Nash and Amare. All you need to know about those long term goals is look at his wonderful work in Denver for that one year and that first year in Phoenix. One thing I noticed is that non-MSG outlets have been bringing up his record without Nash more and more.

MDA won many a championship over in Europe with the same philosophy. Don't know if the Knicks have enough of the parts to run the system with the current roster, but have you really come to a conclusion 3 games in?

I like Pharzone, but I'm pretty sure he made that conclusion the day the Knicks signed MDA
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we have been talking about it but Isiah and company have been in a win-now mode for the last 3 years.

The truth is we have been in limbo mode for 7 years, not win now or develop mode. And we are still in limbo mode now.

Starting Q, Lee, Randolph, Duhon, and Crawford doesn't = development. They are all veterans.

I say if we are going into develop mode then do it for real. I don't think that is what we are witnessing. Duhon isn't the future, play Robinson as a starter. Q isn't the future, start Chandler. Let Galinari have his trial by fire.

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