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11/3/2008  7:14 AM
and Danillo Gallinari

How many people say this Euroleague is so much tougher than high level college basjetball? They are for the most part WRONG IMHO. I still think the pure speed is much different in the USA and the game overall is much different.

Well for pick 6 I want to atleast see these numbers Andersen and Danillo are the same age and the Nets are better than the Knicks. If Andersen gets 20 minutes then Danillo gets 20 minute sIF we are rebuilding????????????

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4483

Andersen has been a very positive player with healthy contributions at the same size as Danillio. Im not asking for the world I want to see Danillo show me 8 points and 4 rebounds in 20 minutes shooting 45% or better. Im not asking for much I dont care if it is game 3 I dont want to hear anything about his back anymore. Either he is hurt and should be on IR or he should be playing 20 minutes with no kissy kissy excuses why he shouldnt be he was the MVP of the Euro league finals or something right--then get his arse IN the GAME.
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11/3/2008  7:23 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

and Danillo Gallinari

How many people say this Euroleague is so much tougher than high level college basjetball? They are for the most part WRONG IMHO. I still think the pure speed is much different in the USA and the game overall is much different.
BRIGGS, you cant even be questioning this. In Euroleague you play to win against pros (many of them being ex-NBA players), and in College you dont play against pros and the main goal there (to the players themselves, at least) is to develop as well prepared players, not to win.

Another discussion is if college basketball are better suit for the NBA than European basketball or what you say about the game being very different. But the worst Euroleague team would probably crush the best NCAA team. Thats men against boys.
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11/3/2008  7:57 AM
Posted by DarkKnicks:
Posted by BRIGGS:

and Danillo Gallinari

How many people say this Euroleague is so much tougher than high level college basjetball? They are for the most part WRONG IMHO. I still think the pure speed is much different in the USA and the game overall is much different.
BRIGGS, you cant even be questioning this. In Euroleague you play to win against pros (many of them being ex-NBA players), and in College you dont play against pros and the main goal there (to the players themselves, at least) is to develop as well prepared players, not to win.

Another discussion is if college basketball are better suit for the NBA than European basketball or what you say about the game being very different. But the worst Euroleague team would probably crush the best NCAA team. Thats men against boys.

Go into the Texas football college team's locker room and show me how many boys are in there. When guys hit 19-22 they are men.
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11/3/2008  8:37 AM
Im not into football (nor very popular here).
They are men with no experience, without having been tested against real competition. I tell you playing in Greece, Italia or Serbia when the crowd and refs putting so much pressure is not the same as playing in college. There is WAY too much pressure to win in Europe compared to the NCAA. When you are 19/20/21 playing against 30 year old people who knows all the tricks and how to beat you with any dirty trick or just being more intelligente and experienced than you is when you really become a man in professional sports, which is indeed what happen to players when they jump from college to NBA.
Players have the pressure to shine in college, which is a battle against their ownselves. Professional players are exposed to make their team the winning one with a full crowd of people expecting them to perform the way they make their team succesful.

Talking about Gallinari, Im still skeptic about him too, but Im way more worried about his back than his basketball skills.
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11/3/2008  9:23 AM
I really like Ryan Anderson a lot. As long as he gets some steady PT he should develop into a better, more complete player than David Lee IMHO. Maybe not as good as Kevin Love (he's not as strong as Love) but a similar game. Effective inside and out offensively - inside he can post, has advanced moves & fakes and can finish around the rim and he's also got a tremendous shooting stroke with excellent form & range past the 3 pt. line. Already a capable above-average rebounder with that legit 6'10" size. Not sure he projects to ever be an intimidator or shot-blocking presence but the rest of this kid's game is very, very solid.

If a decision ever comes to actively shop Lee, NJ is definitely a team I'd be interested in talking to. They have so many PFs on that team - something has to give. The players I like the most on that Jersey club that would help the Knicks moving forward are Josh Boone (plays tough legit big-man defense, both man to man and weakside), Anderson (very nice, advanced offensive tools for a big forward - should develop into a nice rebounding/scoring PF) and Chris Douglas-Roberts (the big do-it-all off-guard we've been looking for, will never be great but effective in a number of areas). I'd love to snag any 2 of these 3 in a trade for Lee or maybe Lee/a second rounder, Lee/Collins, Lee/Nate. It'd be tough to trade Lee across the river but when you consider Jersey has a surplus of talent over there - for David Lee we might be able to find a match with them.
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11/3/2008  9:31 AM
Posted by Finestrg:

I really like Ryan Anderson a lot. As long as he gets some steady PT he should develop into a better, more complete player than David Lee IMHO. Maybe not as good as Kevin Love (he's not as strong as Love) but a similar game. Effective inside and out offensively - inside he can post, has advanced moves & fakes and can finish around the rim and he's also got a tremendous shooting stroke with excellent form & range past the 3 pt. line. Already a capable above-average rebounder with that legit 6'10" size. Not sure he projects to ever be an intimidator or shot-blocking presence but the rest of this kid's game is very, very solid.

If a decision ever comes to actively shop Lee, NJ is definitely a team I'd be interested in talking to. They have so many PFs on that team - something has to give. The players I like the most on that Jersey club that would help the Knicks moving forward are Josh Boone (plays tough legit big-man defense, both man to man and weakside), Anderson (very nice, advanced offensive tools for a big forward - should develop into a nice rebounding/scoring PF) and Chris Douglas-Roberts (the big do-it-all off-guard we've been looking for, will never be great but effective in a number of areas). I'd love to snag any 2 of these 3 in a trade for Lee or maybe Lee/a second rounder, Lee/Collins, Lee/Nate. It'd be tough to trade Lee across the river but when you consider Jersey has a surplus of talent over there - for David Lee we might be able to find a match with them.
The Nets also have Sean Williams who seems to be the odd man out at the 4 or 5. He hasn't played yet this year. I wouldn't trade Lee for him, but he might be a good addition if we could get him. The Nets don't need Lee - They have enough big men inside.

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11/3/2008  10:37 AM
LOL, Briggs is like forget about being the best rookie forward in the draft, Danillo isn't even the best in the tri-state area.



I don't understand why people claim coming from the Euro versus NCaa is better myself. Danillo is better then every player in the Euro league, no matter who old they are, they are still NBA rejects. Players in college play against players who fall short of the NBA all the time during the summer and work outs, hell they even get to play against guys in the NBA.

But the one thing that Danillo has never done is play against players at his position that are as talented as him. Y0u can say what you want about the level of play in the NCaa, when you play in college you play against guys who are as good or better then you ever now and again. I would take guys who matched up with NBA future stars over playing MBA rejects.
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11/3/2008  11:14 AM
I don't see how this is relevant. Joe Alexander (who many on this board wanted the Knicks to select at 6) only made his debut last night. Is Ryan Anderson better than him too?
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11/3/2008  11:22 AM
Posted by Anji:

LOL, Briggs is like forget about being the best rookie forward in the draft, Danillo isn't even the best in the tri-state area.



I don't understand why people claim coming from the Euro versus NCaa is better myself. Danillo is better then every player in the Euro league, no matter who old they are, they are still NBA rejects. Players in college play against players who fall short of the NBA all the time during the summer and work outs, hell they even get to play against guys in the NBA.

But the one thing that Danillo has never done is play against players at his position that are as talented as him. Y0u can say what you want about the level of play in the NCaa, when you play in college you play against guys who are as good or better then you ever now and again. I would take guys who matched up with NBA future stars over playing MBA rejects.

No I just was wondering the difference between two guys with very closely related games albeit our was pick 6 And the fact that NJ with superior team as is is willing to play Andersen right now 20 minutes and we are not. Either he plays or he's injured. This is not a HS kid--this is some Euro league star so i expect him to play--no coddling here---get on the court or go on IR and get to the point where you can play.
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11/3/2008  11:32 AM
I'm not sure we can just ask for minutes and points/rebounds from someone who is working through an injury. I'm happy Gallo is playing right now, some anyway. Let's not make it a cut and dry go on the disabled list or just play thing. Or, as you like to call a bulging disk "a kissy kissy excuse".

Not a lot of players seem to be getting playing time yet that were picked in Gallo's range (or wanted there).

I guess we'll see in the next few weeks if and what he amounts to as he gets himself in game shape. It's really too soon regarding the injury.

It has hurt to be a knicks fan lately, so I can understand the frustration all of us have been feeling...

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11/3/2008  11:33 AM
We all know it was a mistake to draft Gallinari but what can we do about it now. Those idiots saying how he was Bird like should be gutted. I get this. But he is now Knicks property. I mean it's not like we didn't see it coming right? Bad back and stiff legs. Well no sense in crying over spilled milk. I'm not bitter not in the least. There always next year draft.
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11/3/2008  11:33 AM
Posted by Markji:
Posted by Finestrg:

I really like Ryan Anderson a lot. As long as he gets some steady PT he should develop into a better, more complete player than David Lee IMHO. Maybe not as good as Kevin Love (he's not as strong as Love) but a similar game. Effective inside and out offensively - inside he can post, has advanced moves & fakes and can finish around the rim and he's also got a tremendous shooting stroke with excellent form & range past the 3 pt. line. Already a capable above-average rebounder with that legit 6'10" size. Not sure he projects to ever be an intimidator or shot-blocking presence but the rest of this kid's game is very, very solid.

If a decision ever comes to actively shop Lee, NJ is definitely a team I'd be interested in talking to. They have so many PFs on that team - something has to give. The players I like the most on that Jersey club that would help the Knicks moving forward are Josh Boone (plays tough legit big-man defense, both man to man and weakside), Anderson (very nice, advanced offensive tools for a big forward - should develop into a nice rebounding/scoring PF) and Chris Douglas-Roberts (the big do-it-all off-guard we've been looking for, will never be great but effective in a number of areas). I'd love to snag any 2 of these 3 in a trade for Lee or maybe Lee/a second rounder, Lee/Collins, Lee/Nate. It'd be tough to trade Lee across the river but when you consider Jersey has a surplus of talent over there - for David Lee we might be able to find a match with them.
The Nets also have Sean Williams who seems to be the odd man out at the 4 or 5. He hasn't played yet this year. I wouldn't trade Lee for him, but he might be a good addition if we could get him. The Nets don't need Lee - They have enough big men inside.

I like Boone and Anderson more than Sean Williams. I think Sean Williams & Justin Williams are basically the same player only Sean got much more hype coming out of a better-regarded, more competitive college program. We can go out and get Justin Williams right now for the league minimum. With that in mind, I would never trade Lee for Sean Williams. That's not to say the Williams boys aren't useful players - I'd love to add a young big shotblocker on the cheap, I've been calling for the Knicks to take the no-risk chance on Justin Williams since he went undrafted a couple of years ago. But for Lee I'd want more...

Remember, Vince Carter's not getting any younger so NJ, who has some real good pieces in place already, might look at Lee as an upgrade who has some experience, savvy and intangibles, maybe a guy who can help get them to the next step. And with Jarvis Hayes in place as the main reserve scoring guard (who's actually a pretty good player btw, good scorer) I don't see how CDR fits in there. Boone/Anderson, Boone/CDR, Anderson/CDR would be great for the Knicks...

Markji, ultimately I agree that the Nets are probably content developing their own young players. All I'm saying is if Lee and his agent get too out of control with their contract demands or Lee doesn't show the type of development we're all hoping for (something tells me what you see is pretty much what you're gonna get with Lee - he might be at or very close to his ceiling already), NJ is definitely a team I'd reach out to. They have a surplus of talent over there...

[Edited by - finestrg on 11-03-2008 11:43 AM]
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11/3/2008  11:47 AM
the difference is 2 years down the road. when gallinari hopefully will be playing to his potential which should make him a very good player, ryan anderson will be topping out as the next scott padgent...

come on, be for real.. ryan anderson has mediocre written all over his game...
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11/3/2008  11:48 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by DarkKnicks:
Posted by BRIGGS:

and Danillo Gallinari

How many people say this Euroleague is so much tougher than high level college basjetball? They are for the most part WRONG IMHO. I still think the pure speed is much different in the USA and the game overall is much different.
BRIGGS, you cant even be questioning this. In Euroleague you play to win against pros (many of them being ex-NBA players), and in College you dont play against pros and the main goal there (to the players themselves, at least) is to develop as well prepared players, not to win.

Another discussion is if college basketball are better suit for the NBA than European basketball or what you say about the game being very different. But the worst Euroleague team would probably crush the best NCAA team. Thats men against boys.

Go into the Texas football college team's locker room and show me how many boys are in there. When guys hit 19-22 they are men.


how many 19 year olds are there in the NFL?
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11/3/2008  11:50 AM
Dude, I can't even remember half of what you say... your posting is like Crawford's of QRich's volume shooting. I'm sure some of them go in, but there just so many shots being shot I can't remember most, and the ones I can remember are impossible to put into context.
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11/3/2008  12:28 PM
I think this is a perfect opportunity to segway into a discussion on NCAA Football vs NFL Europe! And go....
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11/3/2008  12:59 PM
Its been 3 games.
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11/3/2008  1:01 PM
i agree Danillo should be playing more. but i don't have a problem bringing him along slowly... for now. if he doesn't show anything this season, it's gonna be a REEEEALLLLLY long season.


then again, it took Wilson some time to find his game.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 03-11-2008 1:01 PM]
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11/3/2008  1:06 PM
Fran Fracilla could have an agenda given that covering Europe is his primary gig but I have heard him and many other NBA experts state that Euro ball is significantly better than NCAA.

Fracilla "If Gallinari had played in the NCAA last year he'd have scored 30 points a game and been projected in the top 3 picks" or something close to that.

Even the Brandon Jennings situation -- many experts were calling it a mistake because he would have to go up against far superior talent and would have difficulty breaking into rotation.

I have no idea about Euro ball quality myself but I doubt anyone else over here has much either.

I will agree with Briggs in terms of the athletcism over here being higher.

Fact is Gallo looks really slow right know -- hopefully that improves with conditioning. I really don't want him to be a soft, slow Euro big who can only sit on the perimeter and gets called for a foul everytime he's left alone.
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11/3/2008  1:11 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Anji:

LOL, Briggs is like forget about being the best rookie forward in the draft, Danillo isn't even the best in the tri-state area.



I don't understand why people claim coming from the Euro versus NCaa is better myself. Danillo is better then every player in the Euro league, no matter who old they are, they are still NBA rejects. Players in college play against players who fall short of the NBA all the time during the summer and work outs, hell they even get to play against guys in the NBA.

But the one thing that Danillo has never done is play against players at his position that are as talented as him. Y0u can say what you want about the level of play in the NCaa, when you play in college you play against guys who are as good or better then you ever now and again. I would take guys who matched up with NBA future stars over playing MBA rejects.

No I just was wondering the difference between two guys with very closely related games albeit our was pick 6 And the fact that NJ with superior team as is is willing to play Andersen right now 20 minutes and we are not. Either he plays or he's injured. This is not a HS kid--this is some Euro league star so i expect him to play--no coddling here---get on the court or go on IR and get to the point where you can play.

I wasn't saying you were wrong or right, I just laughing at the fact you didn't sugar coat it at all. These are not unreasonable demands on the 6th pick for the great Euro leagues IMO.
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