Nix: Tell me, how much does this sound like Marbs. I can't find the quote, but this sounds almost word for word to something Marbs said during both Larry and Isiah's tenure.

But this is what we traded for. He was lazy before he got here but there was still a chance to change him. A coach should have pulled a D'Antoni a few years ago. If we had done this 3 years ago, the guy may have "gotten" it by now. Instead we ignored his laziness and instead tried to make him the focal point of the organization. Who does this?

What Curry doesn't get is that D'Antoni had nothing to say to him. That's why he didn't say anything to him.

Dear Eddie: Isiah is gone. the players don't get whatever they want, or cry about anymore. You have to earn it.

Note to parents: this is why you must make your children earn the things that you give to them

Note to government: This is why you must make people earn the wealth that we spread to them.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 30-10-2008 5:36 PM]

Nixluva, you don't get it but as a coach/manager it is professional to talk to your employees. If you have not been in a professional environment it is hard to describe. You just don't walk into a workspace and say Bob, Jane and Ben, you're all on board. The rest well you'll figure it out. Curry and D'Antoni aren't best friends or a couple that are breaking up. There should be professional procedural methods involved. Management 101.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Nixluva, you don't get it but as a coach/manager it is professional to talk to your employees. If you have not been in a professional environment it is hard to describe. You just don't walk into a workspace and say Bob, Jane and Ben, you're all on board. The rest well you'll figure it out. Curry and D'Antoni aren't best friends or a couple that are breaking up. There should be professional procedural methods involved. Management 101.

I disagree. As a coach you don't have time to sit down your players and explain to them all the decisions you are going to make. What did Curry do in the preseason to think he deserved a spot in the rotation. What did he do in preseason to be owed a conversation explaining whether he would play or not. In came into camp out of shape, played horrible and sucked wind every minute he played. No explanation needed. He did not need an explanation anymore than Roberson did. Roberson isn't crying. Why? Because he didn't have an expectation. He understood that he had not earned it yet. Curry based on a perception that he has achieved something in his career feels he has earned it. He hasn't.

Now I'm sure Mike did what was right and went back to Eddie and explained to him why he didn't play. I'm sure he reiterated the expectation and what it takes to get in the line-up. At this point it's up to Eddie to do it. Mike has to worry about the rest of the team that is doing it. The assistants will work with Eddie to try to get him up to speed. That is there job. But he has no reason to expect any special conversations from a coach describing all his in game decisions.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Nixluva, you don't get it but as a coach/manager it is professional to talk to your employees. If you have not been in a professional environment it is hard to describe. You just don't walk into a workspace and say Bob, Jane and Ben, you're all on board. The rest well you'll figure it out. Curry and D'Antoni aren't best friends or a couple that are breaking up. There should be professional procedural methods involved. Management 101.

i dunno about u but i was once laid off from a major corporation & nothing was said to me in the days leading up to it... it just happened... my supervisor gave me no clues whatsoever & things seemed peachy keen whenever i bumped into her... ideally you would like to be talked to if something like this is about to happen but if u know u'r not doing the things that are expected of u in the workplace, u really have no right to cry or moan about not being warned before the company decides to go in another direction... Eddy's a grown man & he's making $9 million freakin' bucks to sit his fat lazy butt on the sidelines & still has $18 mil more coming to him!!!... what the hell does he got to complain about anyway???

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Posted by Pharzeone:

Nixluva, you don't get it but as a coach/manager it is professional to talk to your employees. If you have not been in a professional environment it is hard to describe. You just don't walk into a workspace and say Bob, Jane and Ben, you're all on board. The rest well you'll figure it out. Curry and D'Antoni aren't best friends or a couple that are breaking up. There should be professional procedural methods involved. Management 101.

i dunno about u but i was once laid off from a major corporation & nothing was said to me in the days leading up to it... it just happened... my supervisor gave me no clues whatsoever & things seemed peachy keen whenever i bumped into her... ideally you would like to be talked to if something like this is about to happen but if u know u'r not doing the things that are expected of u in the workplace, u really have no right to cry or moan about not being warned before the company decides to go in another direction... Eddy's a grown man & he's making $9 million freakin' bucks to sit his fat lazy butt on the sidelines & still has $18 mil more coming to him!!!... what the hell does he got to complain about anyway???

But someone told you weren't working there anymore? You didn't just show up the next day and someone say hey what are you doing here I thought you got laid off.

Pharzeone: I understand your point but a basketball court is not a workplace. Everyday players are told exactly what is expected of them EVERY DAY. Sometimes 80 times in the course of a practice. Don't get sucked in by the words of a man feeling sorry for himself. Everyone knew that Eddie was in danger of not playing. A coach does not have time before every game to explain what his game decisions will be. As a player you understand that and you deal with it. If he had to spend 5-10 minutes with every player explaining who would play and why that's 5-20 minutes per player. 15 players, it adds up.

The bottom line is that Eddie is not telling you the full truth. Eddie is talked to all the time and knows what is expected. What he wanted was to be pulled aside and coddled. That time has past. 8 years in, Eddie should no what he needs to do by now. The fact that he is on the bubble in the rotation in my view is reason enough to bench him. With his skillset the fact that he is not a guaranteed starter tells you that he is not working hard. We cannot continue to coddle guys like that simply because their feelings may be hurt. I want Mike to focus on the guys busting their asse. Iw ould prefer that he called Roberson into his office than Curry. Eight years in, it's time for Curry to figure it out on his own.

The days of accepting 23 wins are over. The days of sitting players down and having man to man conversations intended to change their lives for the better are over. Isiah is gone. A new coach is here. Do it his way or sit. No special favors because your name is Eddie Curry. When Eddie can grab more than 5 rebounds a game then maybe he deserves a conversation. At this point he is owed nothing!!!!!!!!

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Posted by nixluva:

Once again Bip is Right! Man i've gotta stop saying that. LOL!

As to Pharzeone's comments about professional environments, man I started working in Manhattan on Wall Street in 1982! I'm not some kid that doesn't understand management. I own my own company and have my own staff. It's not the same thing in this case.

Curry was given all the info he needed when MDA spoke to the entire team about "earning" a spot in the rotation and even then not being guaranteed a spot. MDA said he reserved the right to go with his gut on who he decided to play. That may have meant he made up his mind right before he handed in his lineup. That's his right! Curry has no rights in regard to what MDA decides to do with the roster. If he get's in shape and does the right things, MDA will reward him or maybe not. That's his right.

What Curry should've done was go into MDA's office after practice and say "hey coach. What do I need to do to prove to you that I can help this team win? What do you want to see from me out there?"

Not the same thing because it isn't your workplace. If it was your workplace it would be the same thing. It's about being objective not subjective.

Look I worked my way up from the Mailroom in my 1st job and I never failed to get promoted in every single job I had. WHY? Cuz I worked hard and smart and I made my supervisors job easier and they appreciated that. Now if Curry had that same kind of attitude he would've been an All Star by now and his coach would love him. Curry knows in his heart that he wasn't going to play, but his pride won't let him admit it.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by nixluva:

Once again Bip is Right! Man i've gotta stop saying that. LOL!

As to Pharzeone's comments about professional environments, man I started working in Manhattan on Wall Street in 1982! I'm not some kid that doesn't understand management. I own my own company and have my own staff. It's not the same thing in this case.

Curry was given all the info he needed when MDA spoke to the entire team about "earning" a spot in the rotation and even then not being guaranteed a spot. MDA said he reserved the right to go with his gut on who he decided to play. That may have meant he made up his mind right before he handed in his lineup. That's his right! Curry has no rights in regard to what MDA decides to do with the roster. If he get's in shape and does the right things, MDA will reward him or maybe not. That's his right.

What Curry should've done was go into MDA's office after practice and say "hey coach. What do I need to do to prove to you that I can help this team win? What do you want to see from me out there?"

Not the same thing because it isn't your workplace. If it was your workplace it would be the same thing. It's about being objective not subjective.

Look I worked my way up from the Mailroom in my 1st job and I never failed to get promoted in every single job I had. WHY? Cuz I worked hard and smart and I made my supervisors job easier and they appreciated that. Now if Curry had that same kind of attitude he would've been an All Star by now and his coach would love him. Curry knows in his heart that he wasn't going to play, but his pride won't let him admit it.

Dude wtf are you talking about. Why are you giving me your life testimony. All I am talking about is someone in a supervisory role conducting themselves as a professional. Mike D'Antoni is not wearing a suit just to make him look good. He is in a management position. Hell you see it all the time and hear it. When Coughlin had to punish one of his player, he called him into his office and told him with the GM present. Torre did the same. The only ones that I know that didn't practice this was Thomas. Like the stunt he had Wilkins do with Anderson back in 04 even Lenny said he wanted to talk to the guy first because it was the right thing to do. If you don't get it then I can't help you but giving me your life testimony doesn't make your argument. Give me an example of where you had to discipline one of your staff or terminate them and you didn't talk to them first. Like I said it is professional and a manner of ethics. Employer/Employee relationship.