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BRIGGS
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10/30/2008  2:09 PM
Lee is going to get 10-12mm at the end of the day if he puts up consistent numbers like the first game
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10/30/2008  2:19 PM
is Lee 7'1?

Which team with cap space is going to give Lee over $10mm?
Given current projections, five teams -- the Oklahoma City Thunder, the Memphis Grizzlies, the Portland Trail Blazers, the Miami Heat and the Indiana Pacers -- will have significant money to spend in 2009.
Ands assuming most of those teams let key players walk.

There is a difference between market and market value. Lee's market value is excellent. And if Lee is looking to get $10mm on the open market next year he is in a VERY RUDE wake up call.

Knicks were safe in not extending him.

Since we know the 6-7 teams looking at cap space lets take a look at who is out there:
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Group I: The "Big 10" ETO or Player Option candidates


These are the players with an "early termination option (ETO)" or "player option (PO)" in their contracts, meaning they can opt to forgo the final year(s) of their deals and instead become unrestricted free agents in the summer of 2009. Here's the star-studded lineup:





1. Kobe Bryant, Lakers (ETO)
Last summer, when Kobe was pining for a trade, it look as though he would tear up his contract in 2009 and likely leave the Lakers. Now, the Lakers are poised to be a serious championship contender for the next few years. You've got to believe Kobe's going to hang around for the ride.





2. Carlos Boozer, Jazz (PO)
Boozer is probably the biggest threat to leave his team next summer. He's had his eye on Miami for some time, and with some maneuvering, the Heat should be able to get far enough under the cap to deliver the dollars that Boozer is looking for.





3. Richard Hamilton, Pistons (ETO)
Hamilton is not expected to opt out of his contract. He turns 31 in February and is unlikely to earn more than the $11.6 million he's owed in the final season of his contract. More likely, the Pistons will work out some sort of extension with Rip.





4. Jermaine O'Neal, Raptors (PO)
There's virtually no chance of O'Neal opting out of his deal. He's owed a whopping $23 million in 2009-10 and there's no way he could get anything like that on the open market. O'Neal will be trying to work out some sort of contract extension if he can prove to the Raptors that he's healthy.





5. Mehmet Okur, Jazz (ETO)
Okur is also an unlikely candidate to opt out of his contract. He, too, would struggle to find more money on the open market. Like some of the other players on the list, his goal is to work out an extension.





6. Hedo Turkoglu, Magic (ETO)
After Boozer, Turkoglu is the candidate most likely to opt out. He's coming off a career year for the Magic, and if he can repeat his 2008 Most Improved Player performance (19.5 points per game), he should be able to cash in with a bigger deal next summer.





7. Jamal Crawford, Knicks (ETO)
It's hard to believe that Crawford would be willing to leave nearly $20 million on the table to opt out, but it's not inconceivable. If he has a big year playing for Mike D'Antoni, it might be worth the gamble. Crawford turns 29 in March and has never played for a winning team. If he thinks he could get a longer-term deal for a better team, it might be worth the risk.





8. Eddy Curry, Knicks (ETO)
Curry is in a similar situation to Crawford's. Right now he's worth less than what his contract is paying him, which means it's unlikely he'll leave so much cash on the table -- especially with a perceived heart condition. But the Knicks will be doing backflips if he decides to move on.





9. Anderson Varejao, Cavs (PO)
Varejao is another player who is quite likely to opt out. The relationship between Cavs GM Danny Ferry and Varejao's agent, Dan Fegan, is rocky, and unless Varejao has a terrible year, I think Fegan will try to get him moved to a team that's willing to pay him more.





10. Al Harrington, Warriors (PO)
Harrington is unlikely to opt out. He's making more money than his production suggests he deserves, and there will be just too much competition in the open market for Harrington to score a big deal next summer.


Other notables: Kyle Korver, Jazz (ETO); Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Cavs (ETO); Ricky Davis, Clippers (PO); Kwame Brown, Pistons (PO); Etan Thomas, Wizards (ETO); Mark Blount, Heat (ETO).




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Group II: The restricted free agents

So far, only three players from the draft class of 2005 -- Andrew Bogut, Chris Paul and Deron Williams -- have signed extensions. It's possible more extensions are coming over the course of the next six weeks, but most of the players listed below will likely be restricted free agents next summer. As we've seen over the past few years, it's next to impossible for restricted free agents to move to a different NBA team: This summer, we didn't have one major restricted free agent sign with another NBA team. A few got so desperate they signed with European teams instead. Given the lack of teams with serious cap space next summer, don't expect things to change for restricted free agents.





1. Andrew Bynum, Lakers
If Bynum's surgically repaired knee is healthy and he comes back and builds on what he was doing last season before he got injured, he'll be a candidate for a max salary. There's no way the Lakers will let another team outbid them for Bynum as long as he's healthy; he's the future of the team.





2. Danny Granger, Pacers
Granger slipped on draft night three years ago because of concerns about a knee injury. But he's proven he should've been a top-six pick. Granger averaged more than 23 ppg for the Pacers over the last few months of last season. He's the Pacers' brightest hope right now, which means they'll likely have to give him a contract in the same ballpark as what Luol Deng or Josh Smith got this summer.





3. Marvin Williams, Hawks
Williams has as much raw talent as anyone in the class of 2005, but he's been frustratingly inconsistent in his first three years with the Hawks. He needs a big year if he wants to earn anything close to what Granger or Bynum might get next summer.





4. David Lee, Knicks
Lee is a fan favorite in New York and among coaches around the league. But what is he worth? It sounds like new head coach Mike D'Antoni is unsure if Lee is a great fit and the Knicks explored trading him this summer. Given the Knicks' goal of getting under the cap in 2010, Lee might be the best player on this list for another team to try to sign to an offer sheet. As long as it's a substantial deal, I doubt the Knicks would match.





5. Josh Childress, Hawks
Childress shocked many in the NBA by deciding to bolt for Greece this summer. If he plays well overseas, he'll be better positioned to get a bigger contract offer next summer. However, it seems unlikely that Childress will ever wear a Hawks uniform again. There's a lot of bad blood on both sides concerning what went down this summer.





6. Raymond Felton, Bobcats
Felton has to be looking over his shoulder after the Bobcats made a strong play for T.J. Ford and then drafted D.J. Augustin in the lottery. Felton can dish out the assists but his poor shooting has hurt his stock. If Augustin performs well this season, Felton will be another player some team can snag with an offer sheet.





7. Charlie Villanueva, Bucks
Villanueva has talent. The question has always been about his heart. With Yi Jianlian now playing in New Jersey, Villanueva should start seeing significant minutes this season. If he produces (and plays a little defense), he could land himself a big contract next summer.





8. Channing Frye, Blazers
After his first season with the Knicks, Frye looked like a star in the making, but his last two seasons have been much less impressive. Still, Frye is big, has some offensive skills facing the basket and is a decent rebounder. If he ever started playing defense, he'd certainly be considered a capable big man. The Blazers are looking for cap room next summer and Frye isn't part of their core group, which means he's also a good candidate to change teams next summer.





9. Nenad Krstic, Nets
Krstic was a borderline All-Star before an ACL injury set his career back. He's now off to Russia to prove that he's 100 percent healthy and ready to contribute. If he has a big year over there, NBA teams will come calling next summer. But will they be willing to offer him as much money as he can make in Europe?





10. Rashad McCants, Timberwolves
McCants is a good scorer and showed that he can be an excellent 3-point shooter. But it appears he's really more of a sixth man than a dominant 2-guard. With Mike Miller and Corey Brewer on board, McCants could see his production dip a bit this season.


Other notables: Jason Maxiell, Pistons; Nate Robinson, Knicks; Sean May, Bobcats; Martell Webster, Blazers; Linas Kleiza, Nuggets; Hakim Warrick, Grizzlies; Jarrett Jack, Pacers; Francisco Garcia; Kings; Luther Head, Rockets; Ramon Sessions, Bucks; Johan Petro, Thunder; Ike Diogu, Blazers; Jamario Moon, Raptors; Glen Davis, Celtics; Leon Powe, Celtics.




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Group III: The real, honest-to-goodness unrestricted free agents

Finally, here are the guys who will be on the market with no strings attached. While there is a lot of star power here, most of the big names are now on the back end of their careers.





1. Shawn Marion, Heat
Marion is a super-talented forward with the ability to score, defend and rebound. But he turns 31 in May and has seen his production slip the past two years. Even if he puts up big numbers in Miami this season, how much is a team going to be willing to spend on him, given his age and reputation for being difficult?





2. Allen Iverson, Nuggets
At the age of 33, Iverson continues to fill up the stat sheet with points, assists and steals. And, last season, AI posted his highest field-goal percentage and lowest turnovers per game since his second year in the league. He's still a dominant player, but two nagging questions will hurt his case for a big deal: One, with the exception of that magical season in Philly under Larry Brown, is Iverson a winner? Two, how much game does he have left? Still, Iverson has one thing going for him that Marion doesn't: He still sells tickets.





3. Ron Artest, Rockets
It's difficult to know where to place Artest on this list. If he stays on his best behavior and helps the Rockets get deep into the playoffs, he's going to make some money. He may not get four- or five-year offers, but teams will come calling if his time in Houston is a success. On the other hand, if Artest self-combusts, he's going to struggle to find anyone willing to give him more than a one-year deal next summer.





4. Lamar Odom, Lakers
Odom will be one of the most coveted free agents on the open market. Phil Jackson likes him, but with Kobe, Bynum and Pau Gasol on the roster, the Lakers don't need him and might explore trades for him in the coming months. Odom's penchant for disappearing in big moments (see: 2008 NBA Finals) hasn't helped his rep in L.A. But he is a great team guy, he can rebound the ball, he can initiate the offense and he doesn't need the ball to be effective. If he doesn't stick in L.A., there will be a line of teams waiting to snatch him up.





5. Rasheed Wallace, Pistons
'Sheed continues to be one of the most baffling players in the league. When he's on, he's one of the best big men in the game. When he's off … he can be way off. He turns 34 in September, which makes you wonder if he's still worth the risk. Short of him making a jump to Charlotte -- he and Larry Brown remain close friends -- is there any other team in the league that will be open to paying this guy?





6. Jason Kidd, Mavericks
Kidd continues to claim that the reports of his demise are exaggerated, but I'm not so sure. He's a 35-year-old point guard who really started to show his age last season. Rick Carlisle is going to try to get him turned around, but I'm not sure he's the right coach for the job. There will always be someone willing to give up some money for a point guard with eyes in the back of his head … but if Kidd continues to slip, I wonder if he'll be able to garner more than a midlevel deal next year, should Dallas decide to move on.





7. Andre Miller, Sixers
Miller, at the age of 32, had one of the best seasons of his career in 2007-08. While many (including me) were calling for GM Ed Stefanski to trade him to create more cap space, Stefanski held on to Miller and rode him to an unexpected playoff berth. Now with Elton Brand in the fold, the Sixers should be formidable. The team has been trying to get Miller locked up to an extension, and once Miller decides to hire an agent, he should move off this list.





8. Chris Wilcox, Thunder
We continue to use Wilcox and the word "upside" in the same sentence, but it's probably time for that to end. By now it is fairly clear what he is -- a super-athletic big man who still relies on dunks for a lot of his points. He is not a great defender and doesn't look like he'll ever be more than a solid contributor. But given the constant need for talented big men in the league, some team is going to want him. OKC is developing Jeff Green and Kevin Durant to be its frontcourt of the future, which should leave Wilcox looking for new digs next summer.





9. Mike Bibby, Hawks
Bibby was decent as the Hawks' starting point guard at the end of last season, but it's hard to see him making anything near what he's made the last few years. The Hawks are a young team still searching for a long-term answer at the point. Bibby is a nice stop-gap for 18 months, but I doubt he's got a long-term future in Atlanta unless he's willing to take much less next summer.





10. Drew Gooden, Bulls
Gooden is coming off the worst year of his career, and it couldn't be worse timing. With the Bulls still trying to develop young players like Tyrus Thomas and Joakim Noah, it's unclear what role Gooden will play this season. Still, he's a legit power forward who rebounds well. He may not be the headiest player in the league, but he is a talented 4.

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10/30/2008  2:22 PM
yeah, the economy and the lack of teams with cap room will hurt Lee. we know Memphis wants him. who else? i think we're relatively safe with Lee and we can hopefully make a deal that will be fair to both the Knicks and Lee. if not, maybe revisit trading him to Memphis for a lotto pick in June.
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10/30/2008  2:24 PM
the market for Lee sucks.
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10/30/2008  2:29 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

yeah, the economy and the lack of teams with cap room will hurt Lee. we know Memphis wants him. who else? i think we're relatively safe with Lee and we can hopefully make a deal that will be fair to both the Knicks and Lee. if not, maybe revisit trading him to Memphis for a lotto pick in June.
great trade... sign and trade Lee for their pick straight up. End of story
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10/30/2008  2:37 PM
Lee doesn't want to play in Memphis. Why would he sign with us as part of a sign and trade with Memphis. He killed that trade last off-season and would do the same next off-season.
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10/30/2008  2:39 PM
Many of those players will re-sign with their current teams (as you always point out). Lee could easily end up being maybe the 3rd best available FA and a team with cap space would give him the money Briggs is talking about. Hopefully we can dump Eddy and Jamal so that keeping Lee is not a problem for the cap in 2010.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 10-30-2008 2:40 PM]
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10/30/2008  2:44 PM
Posted by fishmike:

the market for Lee sucks.

Except for Boozer---Lee would command the next highest paycheck--lets face it if Lee has ANYTHING of a consistent season putting up these numbers--his cost will sky rocket perhaps to something like 5 years 60mm$ when we couldve had him for 40 imo.
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10/30/2008  2:54 PM
i can see portland going after lee...
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10/30/2008  3:25 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by fishmike:

the market for Lee sucks.

Except for Boozer---Lee would command the next highest paycheck--lets face it if Lee has ANYTHING of a consistent season putting up these numbers--his cost will sky rocket perhaps to something like 5 years 60mm$ when we couldve had him for 40 imo.

Higher than Kobe Bryant? Danny Granger? Let's not get carried away here!
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10/30/2008  3:30 PM
You cannot sign and trade a restricted free agent.
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10/30/2008  3:47 PM
Lee is nowhere near Bynum's level or talent.
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10/30/2008  3:49 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Many of those players will re-sign with their current teams (as you always point out).
because they do. And if thats the case than scratch half those teams with cap space. If the Pacers extend Granger and Mia brings back Marion then your looking at what 3-4 teams with space? One of them being Memphis where you say Lee doesnt want to go.

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10/30/2008  3:52 PM
Booze goes to Miami when Marions deal falls off the books. His wife and kids are down there.

Lee gets Camby type numbers for about 10 a year. I see him as a MDA type player as he grabs a rebounds starts breaks. 10 mil a year. He can play two positions, is marketable, and fans love him. Nate is good trade fodder.

Funny Marbury does not even get mentioned.
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10/30/2008  3:56 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by fishmike:

the market for Lee sucks.

Except for Boozer---Lee would command the next highest paycheck--lets face it if Lee has ANYTHING of a consistent season putting up these numbers--his cost will sky rocket perhaps to something like 5 years 60mm$ when we couldve had him for 40 imo.

Higher than Kobe Bryant? Danny Granger? Let's not get carried away here!

Im talking guys who have the potential to leave. Granger isnt going anywhere and either is Kobe. Lee on the other hand could be be haqd if a team is willing to pay up like the Blazers could.
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10/30/2008  4:09 PM
Posted by King1:

You cannot sign and trade a restricted free agent.
Sure you can. Its no different than any other FA with Bird rights.

KMart was a RFA. Nets told Denver they would match. Den didnt call Thorn's bluff so they worked out a S&T. 3 first rounders for KMart
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10/30/2008  4:13 PM
I gave him the Joe Johnson example the other day. king is in a state of denial about Lee. I don't blame him.
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10/30/2008  4:18 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

I gave him the Joe Johnson example the other day. king is in a state of denial about Lee. I don't blame him.
yea.. thats another.

Knicks are in the drivers seat. Lee may be worth $10mm like Troy Murphy got. But the market for him is so limited. And he's the 3rd PF out there behind Boozer and Marion. Add to it he's a fun player but cant guard anyone and still limited offensively.

I can see him playing for QO next year like Ben Gordon

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10/30/2008  4:26 PM
Joe Johnson was totally different Phoenix was going to sign him no matter what the offer sheet was so they decided to trade him insteadof having somewhere there that didnt want to be there. If you sign a player to a offer sheet you cant sign and trade him. If the Knicks were going to match anything then they could move him but if a team offers something and the Knicks match they cant trade him. Joe Johnson made it very clear he wanted out of Phoenix.
David Lee will like this -- Bynum 4 years 58mm$

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