It looks like Bird is going to put Artest on the blocks. He doesn't like his style of play and wants to move away from the Bad Boy stigma that the pacers were trying to get under I. Thomas. It looks like Bird and Carlisle are going to trade Artest. I would love to see him on the Knicks he does a lot of thing well scores, rebounds and gives out assists. He is talented and versatile. Should the knicks make a move for Ron Artest or is he to risky.

You know Vmart...you have some smart ideas and I know someone who will fit perfectly into the Indiana style of play that Bird is trying to create...Keith Van Horn. Ship his ass out to Indiana if they will take him and give us Artest and I will call Scott Layden a genious. Will never happen, but seeing Artest in an NY Uniform with a coach who can handle him (obviously not Don Chaney) and we have the makings of a good team. Layden would never take Artest though - same reason Bird wants him gone.

I'm sure Riley could handle and would love artest also.

It looks like Bird is going to put Artest on the blocks. He doesn't like his style of play and wants to move away from the Bad Boy stigma that the pacers were trying to get under I. Thomas. It looks like Bird and Carlisle are going to trade Artest. I would love to see him on the Knicks he does a lot of thing well scores, rebounds and gives out assists. He is talented and versatile. Should the knicks make a move for Ron Artest or is he to risky.

Where have u read that Bird is going to trade Artest or even that they are trying to get rid of the bad boy stigma...unless you read minds noone can asume that Artest is going anywhere. Indiana has to be smart and since when is trading the best defensive player, especailly to the Knicks, ever i mean ever going to happen.

It's going to be close to impossible to trade Artest and get equal value. He is a base year player. Al Harrington on the other hand is another case. If Bird is serious about moving him maybe we can swing a Ward for Harrington trade that will give them cap relief and/or a backup point guard.

Hey, IM just glad Gerald Wilkins is no longer still playing ball.

If only this, if only that........Get over it! Lots of teams screw up and the only thing that counts is what the Knicks management does from here going forward.

True indeed - it's the road ahead that counts. Spilled milk just gets old and nasty-smelling.

Don't worry about him, Nedyal1... Playa is just doing what he does best when he sucks people. Yeah he used your post on Necrom's site too, but he even co-opts snippets from the Post or wherever and posts them like he came up with it. You'll get used to it, though.

Donnie Walsh, whom I have a lot of respect for, may have made a boo boo somewhere not being able to keep Miller. I also think Bird was always coming back in the event he could not own a team.

While artest represnts what many fans like in being an anti authority figure, he is emotionally unrealiable and great teams cannot affort that.

Indiana has no tolerance for salary cap tax, and looks like it might be going thru a slight rebuild. Might be smart. Why not do it early if you think current group might not grow into a championship caliber team. I dig Bird for that if it is in fact true, do it right no matter how long it takes. Perhaps retaining Brad miller at those inflated prices was not in the cards for them.

I don't see how we can take artest unless we throw in an ending deal on a player they can use for a year only. I don't think Spoon, anderson or Eisley, fits that bill. Travis knight does, but he does not play, he sits.

Seems bird feels there is value in Croshire as a player, and hes untradable until he proves he can really play.

Bird is taking risks here, which should prove interesting.

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