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misterearl
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10/26/2008  11:48 AM
So it appears that the Cavs and Pistons are keeping close tabs on the development of ZachRandolph and a future deal with the Pistons makes far too much sense.

ZBo’s biggest issue is his contract, but there are two reasons why this deal could happen before the trading deadline.

First of all, the Pistons are in great cap position, but need to make a decision on how much longer they want to go with the core of Chauncey Billups, Rip Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince, all of whom have trade value. Should Joe Dumars concede that this team still has a championship run in it, they’ll need an upgrade from Rasheed Wallace and ZBo’s post presence would be a nice fit. Plus he’s a Michigan State kid, and that doesn’t hurt either.

Secondly, Donnie Walsh and Wallace, whose had an awful preseason, share the Carolina connection, something I believe strongly in. Wallace was a knucklehead before Larry Brown toned him down enough and the Pistons went on to shock the Lakers. With Wallace’s contract expiring, making a deal of that nature would allow Walsh to sign Sheed to a one-year incentive heavy deal, or simply let his contract expire.

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10/26/2008  11:58 AM
I've said since last year that Zach to Detroit would be a deal worth looking into. The Pistons have guys on that team that will keep Zach in line and Zach is from Michigan, I think it'd be a good move for him. Plus I think the Pistons could use the post scoring that he'd provide. I'd gladly take Sheed in return.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 10-26-2008 11:58 AM]
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10/26/2008  12:07 PM
Rasheed is old and still prone to emotional breakdowns on court. He's played a big role in the Piston's eventual losing each season since they won that first championship. I'd rather skip him.

Oh, and you're crazy.

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10/26/2008  12:10 PM
Posted by oohah:

Rasheed is old and still prone to emotional breakdowns on court. He's played a big role in the Piston's eventual losing each season since they won that first championship. I'd rather skip him.

Oh, and you're crazy.

oohah

Dude.. you get rid of Zach's contract and replace it with an expiring and a useful player. You make this trade.
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10/26/2008  12:16 PM
Dude.. you get rid of Zach's contract and replace it with an expiring and a useful player. You make this trade.

Is he expiring? I don't know. But Rasheed Wallace is the original Zach Randolph, I know that much. And then we have to watch Randolph leading the Pistons to the Eastern conference finals, while Wallace gets himself thrown out the game that our playoff hopes hinge on. That will really chap my ass.

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10/26/2008  12:20 PM
Posted by oohah:
Dude.. you get rid of Zach's contract and replace it with an expiring and a useful player. You make this trade.

Is he expiring? I don't know. But Rasheed Wallace is the original Zach Randolph, I know that much. And then we have to watch Randolph leading the Pistons to the Eastern conference finals, while Wallace gets himself thrown out the game that our playoff hopes hinge on. That will really chap my ass.

oohah

Yeah Sheed is expiring this year. You are right, Sheed is the original Zach but I think for one year that Sheed would do a lot of good here. The guy loves playing the game of basketball and he demands his teammates give their best effort out there. Sure he's psycho and he can be a huge malcontent but that usually comes after the honeymoon and I think he knows he'd have to be on good behavior this year if he wants to get another contract next year.
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10/26/2008  12:54 PM
I think Sheed is simply a better player than Zach. I disagree with Dee here that Randolph is an obvious upgrade. Randolph is younger though so maybe they make the deal here. BUt let's be real, Sheed is the superior player.
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10/26/2008  12:55 PM
I was saying Zach to the Pistons would be a good move for both teams also, but didn't think the Pistons would move Sheed.

Seeing that he's old now and his value is slowly dwindling........Dumars would be smart to reload. Amir Johnson? Come on.....

With the emergence of Stuckey, Dumars should have never resigned Chancey. Right now he should be trying to move Chancey. Upgrading one of the 3, 4, 5 positions should be their priority......dumars is a stubborn mule, but watch all of a sudden he makes the ultimate miricle trade again and win a championship.......again.
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10/26/2008  12:59 PM
Which deal mkes more sense for the Pistons:

Randolph for Sheed

or

Stuckey, Prince, Johnson for Carmello ANthony

?

I think if the Pistons make a trade to try to win another championship, they go big and go for a legitimate star.
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10/26/2008  3:16 PM
Posted by oohah:

Rasheed is old and still prone to emotional breakdowns on court. He's played a big role in the Piston's eventual losing each season since they won that first championship. I'd rather skip him.

Oh, and you're crazy.

oohah

I'd rather skip him also, but for different reasons. We need to trade Zach for 'two' players, so the big Zach contract can get divided. That would make it easier for Walsh to deal them within the next two years.

Same for Curry also.
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10/26/2008  3:18 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by oohah:

Rasheed is old and still prone to emotional breakdowns on court. He's played a big role in the Piston's eventual losing each season since they won that first championship. I'd rather skip him.

Oh, and you're crazy.

oohah

Dude.. you get rid of Zach's contract and replace it with an expiring and a useful player. You make this trade.

Damn, your right. It is' expiring!!! Do it!
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10/26/2008  4:08 PM
which gm would be willing to take on $17 mil for the 2010 season when it's a free agent bonanza? whoever trades for that contract should be fired. this is all bs. credit the knicks or zach's agent for trying to create a fake marketplace for his services. stop believing the gossip.
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10/26/2008  5:49 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

which gm would be willing to take on $17 mil for the 2010 season when it's a free agent bonanza? whoever trades for that contract should be fired. this is all bs. credit the knicks or zach's agent for trying to create a fake marketplace for his services. stop believing the gossip.

Mike Dunleavy. Well at least a couple of months ago. Walsh should call a mulligan.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 10-26-2008 5:50 PM]
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10/26/2008  5:59 PM
Posted by oohah:
Dude.. you get rid of Zach's contract and replace it with an expiring and a useful player. You make this trade.

Is he expiring? I don't know. But Rasheed Wallace is the original Zach Randolph, I know that much. And then we have to watch Randolph leading the Pistons to the Eastern conference finals, while Wallace gets himself thrown out the game that our playoff hopes hinge on. That will really chap my ass.


oohah

Not true, Rasheed Wallace is not a selfish ball hog. A headcase yes, prone to get in trouble yes, but he can still play reasonable defense and his shooting was never in question. I used to live in Portland when Sheed played their he almost carried the entire team to the WCF before falling to the Lakers in 7. I am Duke guy, hate everything the wrong shade of blue, everything except Rasheed Wallace.
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10/26/2008  6:25 PM
From a Piston's blog:

There were some reports over the summer that the Knicks were looking to deal Randolph, and the Pistons were one of the teams mentioned, but nothing much ever came of it. Reports out of New York are saying the Pistons and the Cavaliers are both scouting the Knicks and watching how Randolph performs.
October 24, Newsday: Even with yesterday's cuts - Houston, whose second comeback attempt unceremoniously ended, has accepted a player development role with the team - the Knicks still have 16 players on the roster, one more than the NBA limit. They have until Monday to finalize the roster and will have to eat one of the guaranteed contracts to make the last cut unless Walsh can work a two-for-one or one-for-draft pick trade before then.

And yesterday it didn't sound as if the phone were ringing off the hook. "People call and they're trying to see what you're doing," Walsh said. "It's not that hot, I wouldn't say that. But there are conversations going on."

Most teams with any interest in the Knicks' players are in observation mode right now, according to some NBA team executives. For instance, the Cleveland Cavaliers and Detroit Pistons are believed to be monitoring Zach Randolph, who has played very well so far, but his contract ($48 million left over three years) still compromises the Knicks' 2010 plan.
With Rasheed Wallace having an absolutely horrible preseason and in the last year of his contract, perhaps Dumars is willing to provide New York with a little cap relief in exchange for Zach Randolph. Although pairing Randolph with the young and inexperienced Amir Johnson may be a risk, it may be riskier allowing the Cavaliers acquiring Randolph's services and leaping ahead of Detroit in the Central.
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10/26/2008  6:54 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

which gm would be willing to take on $17 mil for the 2010 season when it's a free agent bonanza? whoever trades for that contract should be fired. this is all bs. credit the knicks or zach's agent for trying to create a fake marketplace for his services. stop believing the gossip.

Not everybody is going to be participating in that marketplace, especially the Pistons whom I dont think are really positioning themselves for 2010 anyway. Zach can be a upgrade over Sheed at this point; they're not in a position to just wait around. This story has legs...might be toddler legs, but they're there.
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10/26/2008  8:16 PM
"Is he expiring? I don't know. But Rasheed Wallace is the original Zach Randolph, I know that much. And then we have to watch Randolph leading the Pistons to the Eastern conference finals, while Wallace gets himself thrown out the game that our playoff hopes hinge on. That will really chap my ass."

oohah - try some baby powder.

If Donnie Walsh has a shot at Sheed he takes it. Zach is part of the 3-man logjam at the forward with Lee and Chandler. The rumored deal also gives the Knicks a center who can stretch defenses like few can. Besides, the entertainment factor on Broadway would be huge.

Sheed would be closer to his Philly home. Zach goes back to Michigan. The Knicks add Jamal Crawford (who attended Michigan) to the bundle and REALLY make the deal a blockbuster.

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10/26/2008  8:51 PM
Posted by misterearl:

"Is he expiring? I don't know. But Rasheed Wallace is the original Zach Randolph, I know that much. And then we have to watch Randolph leading the Pistons to the Eastern conference finals, while Wallace gets himself thrown out the game that our playoff hopes hinge on. That will really chap my ass."

oohah - try some baby powder.

If Donnie Walsh has a shot at Sheed he takes it. Zach is part of the 3-man logjam at the forward with Lee and Chandler. The rumored deal also gives the Knicks a center who can stretch defenses like few can. Besides, the entertainment factor on Broadway would be huge.

Sheed would be closer to his Philly home. Zach goes back to Michigan. The Knicks add Jamal Crawford (who attended Michigan) to the bundle and REALLY make the deal a blockbuster.

You heard it here second.

Yes it is. This is Sheeds last contract year with the Pistons.
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10/26/2008  9:03 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

which gm would be willing to take on $17 mil for the 2010 season when it's a free agent bonanza? whoever trades for that contract should be fired. this is all bs. credit the knicks or zach's agent for trying to create a fake marketplace for his services. stop believing the gossip.
I think you'd have to include some sweatner too. Maybe Nate. Maybe a 1st rd pick. People hate the idea of giving up assets just to get cap space but they'll hate the idea of missing out on Lebron, Wade, Bosh, and Yao a lot more.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 10-26-2008 9:05 PM]
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10/26/2008  9:05 PM
Detroit paper responds to NY paper's claims:
Saying no to Zach
You might have read in some of the New York papers that the Pistons were keeping an eye on the Knicks to see how Zach Randolph fits with Mike D'Antoni's system. The presumption being that if the Knicks look to move Zach, the Pistons would be interested.

Trust me, the Pistons are not interested -- not now, not later. The Pistons' scouts have known Zach for a long, long time and they know his talents and warts as well as anybody. Bottom line: There's too much baggage and too much contract for the Pistons to take that risk.
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