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Today is the big day for the final cut. Who will it be?


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We already know who wants who to stay on this team, but in reality, what do you think Walsh will do? What are your own thoughts on the move either way. Personally, I have warmed to signing Jr. and now that I see it a little clearer, to lose 800 thousand goes against losing anymore money, but in the long run, I don't see it hurting Walsh's long term plan. Also who do you really think is pulling the strings on this one? Dolan or Walsh? That's the mystery and maybe we'll find out after today. LOL to all of us.
Be fiscal responsible, stick to his guns and keep Roberson, or..........
Screw the money, take Jr.
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Cosmic
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10/26/2008  10:40 AM
I'd be happy to see something like this come Monday afternoon:


Knicks trade Curry and Crawford to Cleveland for Wally Z. The roster now stands at 15.

OR

Knicks reach buyout agreement with Jerome James (or Malik..whichever)

If not, then, it better be: Knicks waive Roberson....or Knicks trade Roberson to ____ for 2nd rounder.


If it reads: Knicks waive Pat Ewing Jr.?

HAHA if we can all now laugh at the explosion that occurred when Nichols was waived last year I can just imagine the nuclear holocaust that will ravage Knick forums worldwide if Ewing is waived.
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10/26/2008  10:55 AM
Ewing will be kept.

How about a trade - Malik to Cleveland for Eric Snow plus a draft pick - probably 2nd round but it needs to be an early or middle 2nd round to make this trade fair. Then we cut Eric Snow who has a career ending injury and won't play this year.

Malik 1 yr @ $7,647,500
Eric Snow 1 yr @ 7,300,000

We save $347,500 (double that when luxury tax is considered) and get a 2nd round pick and a player who is injured and can't play. So will be cut. ANd we keep both Roberson and Jr.

Cleveland gets a veteran back-up bench player for greater depth and gets rid of an injured player taking up a roster spot.
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10/26/2008  11:07 AM
I really like these options you guys are throwing out there. Please people, bring more ideas, bring more.
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10/26/2008  11:08 AM
I like the idea of trading Malik for a player and a future draft pick.
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10/26/2008  12:27 PM
Here is the same /similar poll from Knicksblog: 1,550 votes - mostly to keep both and buy-out James.

http://www.theknicksblog.com/2008/10/25/poll-who-makes-the-team/
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10/26/2008  12:45 PM
What a poor way to phrase your poll questions 4949. How is keeping Roberson fiscally responsible in any significant way? The difference if the Knicks keep Ewing is about $400,000 which is nothing in the scheme of the Knicks payroll.

Buying out Jerome James is not fiscally responsible either since his salary still counts against the cap, and then we fill his roster spot with another player who has to get paid.

Keeping Ewing and marketing him may more than make up for any money lost by keeping your homeboy Roberson who you are so in love with!

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10/26/2008  3:22 PM
Posted by oohah:

What a poor way to phrase your poll questions 4949. How is keeping Roberson fiscally responsible in any significant way?

That's the point. It isn't by much. But I can't wait to see what happens. Wouldn't it be great if we found out that a major block buster trade was somehow involved here and ended up helping our contract situation for after next year?
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10/26/2008  8:08 PM
Reading tea leaves: Looks good for Ewing
Rieber here filling in for Alan today.

As Alan states in his previous post, the Knicks have to finalize the roster Monday by 6 p.m. So either Patrick Ewing Jr., Anthony Roberson, Jerome James or someone else has to go.

A few nuggets that could tell you which way the team is leaning:

-- Donnie Walsh said he doesn't anticpate making a trade.
-- Walsh on whether the guaranteed contracts will make the decision for him: "I don't think it'll be a factor in the last cut."
-- D'Antoni obviously loves Ewing as a prospect. He also said keeping six guards is a bit much, so that could hurt Roberson.

So there you go.

On other matters:

-- Chandler didn't practice, but D'Antoni said he expects him to be available for the opener.
-- Gallinari did practice and could play Wednesday, but may not see much time until he gets his legs under him, D'Antoni said.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled beat write

This is what a beat writer that works with Alan Hahn thinks about who will be cut barring any trade or buyout.

I personally vote for Jr. to stay, I like him better, but one really has to wonder why Walsh went an signed Roberson, so quickly after a couple of good games shooting the ball, during Summer League play.
It's a reall head scratcher, him being a shooter was probably why but he wasn't really that great in the first place, anyways it seems they will make a cut from one of those two players than waive a vet like Rose, or buyout James at this time.
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10/26/2008  8:24 PM
Keep it simple, cut Roberson. You have too many gunners anyway. I think when Roberson was signed there was probably something more imminent going on with one of the guards and they probably weren't as confident in Collins (who looks like he can play now, unlike last year).
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10/26/2008  8:43 PM
Posted by Hoopsmeister:
Reading tea leaves: Looks good for Ewing
Rieber here filling in for Alan today.

As Alan states in his previous post, the Knicks have to finalize the roster Monday by 6 p.m. So either Patrick Ewing Jr., Anthony Roberson, Jerome James or someone else has to go.

A few nuggets that could tell you which way the team is leaning:

-- Donnie Walsh said he doesn't anticpate making a trade.
-- Walsh on whether the guaranteed contracts will make the decision for him: "I don't think it'll be a factor in the last cut."
-- D'Antoni obviously loves Ewing as a prospect. He also said keeping six guards is a bit much, so that could hurt Roberson.

So there you go.

On other matters:

-- Chandler didn't practice, but D'Antoni said he expects him to be available for the opener.
-- Gallinari did practice and could play Wednesday, but may not see much time until he gets his legs under him, D'Antoni said.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled beat write

This is what a beat writer that works with Alan Hahn thinks about who will be cut barring any trade or buyout.

I personally vote for Jr. to stay, I like him better, but one really has to wonder why Walsh went an signed Roberson, so quickly after a couple of good games shooting the ball, during Summer League play.
It's a reall head scratcher, him being a shooter was probably why but he wasn't really that great in the first place, anyways it seems they will make a cut from one of those two players than waive a vet like Rose, or buyout James at this time.

I thought Roberson was already signed before Jr. was invited.

Jeffries and Jeromes contracts are not as important as Curry and Zach's, as far as getting rid of.

We should try to trade James as an expiring for a couple of future draft picks.

[Edited by - 4949 on 10-26-2008 8:47 PM]
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10/26/2008  10:35 PM
Listening to Breen right now...even he wants the Knicks to cut Jerome James and keep the two young guys...
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10/26/2008  10:56 PM
[quote]Posted by 4949:
I thought Roberson was already signed before Jr. was invited.

Jeffries and Jeromes contracts are not as important as Curry and Zach's, as far as getting rid of.

We should try to trade James as an expiring for a couple of future draft picks.

[Edited by - 4949 on 10-26-2008 8:47 PM]

Roberson was signed during Summer League play, they seem to like his shooting ability, so they signed him, but he hasn't shown that he can be consistent with it, so why did Walsh rush to sign him, so soon?, especially to a two yr guaranteed contract, with a team option for 2009/2010 season.

Well anyways Donnie signed him, now he has to decide who to keep, hopefully it's Ewing Jr.


[Edited by - Hoopsmeister on 10-26-2008 10:57 PM]

[Edited by - Hoopsmeister on 10-26-2008 10:59 PM]
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10/26/2008  11:15 PM
Roberson was shooting 20% from the field and 25% from the 3pt line for the preseason. He is tied with Eddy Curry. He is also averaging 0.0 assist. Those are some of the most horrific numbers I ever seen no matter how much time you are getting. This is a guy that D'Antoni was after for a couple of years now too.
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10/26/2008  11:18 PM
Posted by Hoopsmeister:


Roberson was signed during Summer League play, they seem to like his shooting ability, so they signed him, but he hasn't shown that he can be consistent with it, so why did Walsh rush to sign him, so soon?, especially to a two yr guaranteed contract, with a team option for 2009/2010 season.

Well anyways Donnie signed him, now he has to decide who to keep, hopefully it's Ewing Jr.

I don't think we'll ever know why they rushed to sign him. Maybe he shot 20-20 in two consecutive practices and they expected him to do that all SL so they figured to lock him up right away.

What I do know is he makes what 800K and EwJr makes 440K. So given Walsh's own comments on waiving players: If he's forced he would probably waive the cheaper player.

I hope he doesn't. What's an additional 360K to Dolan!?

Again, we have about 13 hours left..........so maybe (I bet) Walsh is trying to make a trade first and foremost. Then will bite the bullet and decide between:

Jerome
Malik
Roberson
EwJr

I think everyone here would buy out Malik or Jerome before they waived the kids, but, that's apparently not Walsh's MO.

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10/26/2008  11:24 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by Hoopsmeister:


Roberson was signed during Summer League play, they seem to like his shooting ability, so they signed him, but he hasn't shown that he can be consistent with it, so why did Walsh rush to sign him, so soon?, especially to a two yr guaranteed contract, with a team option for 2009/2010 season.

Well anyways Donnie signed him, now he has to decide who to keep, hopefully it's Ewing Jr.

I don't think we'll ever know why they rushed to sign him. Maybe he shot 20-20 in two consecutive practices and they expected him to do that all SL so they figured to lock him up right away.

What I do know is he makes what 800K and EwJr makes 440K. So given Walsh's own comments on waiving players: If he's forced he would probably waive the cheaper player.

I hope he doesn't. What's an additional 360K to Dolan!?

Again, we have about 13 hours left..........so maybe (I bet) Walsh is trying to make a trade first and foremost. Then will bite the bullet and decide between:

Jerome
Malik
Roberson
EwJr

I think everyone here would buy out Malik or Jerome before they waived the kids, but, that's apparently not Walsh's MO.

Let's just pray he can talk Dolan into the sensible thing and just waive Jerome James. He's got to pay all this money and regardless of whether or not James makes it on the court, sits on the bench, or whatever, he definitely isn't going to earn his paycheck. The more I think about it the only reason JAmes has a spot on the team still is because he's supposedly Marbury's only friend on the team (you can tell a lot about a person by the company they keep.
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10/26/2008  11:44 PM
to me fiscal responsibility only applies to 2010 & beyond... anything before then doesn't mean a thing to me... if Dolan has to eat $800K or $800 million, i just wanna set this team up for cap flexibility in 2010.
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10/27/2008  12:04 AM
Posted by TMS:

to me fiscal responsibility only applies to 2010 & beyond... anything before then doesn't mean a thing to me... if Dolan has to eat $800K or $800 million, i just wanna set this team up for cap flexibility in 2010.

Actually, I'd prefer it if Dolan had to eat $800 million.
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10/27/2008  12:06 AM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by TMS:

to me fiscal responsibility only applies to 2010 & beyond... anything before then doesn't mean a thing to me... if Dolan has to eat $800K or $800 million, i just wanna set this team up for cap flexibility in 2010.

Actually, I'd prefer it if Dolan had to eat $800 million.

I'd prefer it if Dolan ate several other things that had him choke to death.
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10/27/2008  1:48 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/27/sports/basketball/27knicks.html?_r=1&ref=basketball&oref=slogin

Seems like Ewing will be the one who will be cut from this article.

I want us to be serious for a moment. The only reason we would be angry that he was cut is because of his last name. While he did play well in his limited time in the final preseason game, he didn't really do anything in preseason to warrant him worthy of keeping. Still, I like the guy personally. I like his work ethic and his potential and I definitely would keep him over Jerome James. The fact that Walsh (or Dolan) is going to be cheap over this after years of paying people for no reason would get me pretty disappointed.
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10/27/2008  2:20 AM
i don't think there'd be any reason at all for anyone to be upset that Roberson got cut... at least Junior's got his father's rep in NY on his side... what does Roberson got? he's not gonna get playing time over any of the G's on this squad... he's strictly a practice squad type player that we signed to a guaranteed deal for no reason other than to fill out the roster once Marbury was bought out IMO... only problem is Dolan won't sign off on it.
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