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Doing the math for LeBron sweepstakes: What is so hard about this???
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10/25/2008  5:58 PM
Lee
Chandler
Gallinari
Collins
Nate &
Duhon are all safe bets to keep. Agreed?

The jury is still out on Jr.

Now, as the next three years expire, this is what kind of money is leaving us. And it's just in time for LeBrons contract to end after 2010-11 season.

As of right now, our salary stands at about 99 million dollars.

Leaving us after 2008-09
Marbury
Malik
Replace their contracts with low salary, no more than two year contracts.

Leaving us after 2009-10
Q
Jerome
Roberson
Replace their contracts with low salary, no more than one year contracts.

Leaving us after 2010-11
Zach
Curry
Crawford
Jeffries


Now: Only if we can pick up some real talent along the way, then the brass will consider a higher contracts for those individuals. But do not break the bank!

This is the plan, so as you can see contract wise, it all lines up for us. We just need to wait.

I am for bringing Jr. on, only if I/we are convinced that he is as good as they are saying he is. But his contract also will have to be negotiated after this season ends, or if and when he plays on this team.

So my question is at this time 'why are people so worked up about getting rid of Curry, Q, Marbury, Jerome, Zach, etc. NOW' when we don't need to??

It makes total sense 'not to' and we don't have to lose any big money in the process. It's perfect! Walsh and D'Antoni have three years to put something great together and LeBron should be ready to finally come to New York, were the salary cap will be good again and by then he'll also be surrounded by some very good talent.

I'll never trust this' team again.
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10/25/2008  6:04 PM
I think you're confused. Lebron will be an FA in 2010. So those who are leaving in 2010/11 are irrelevant. If they're hear, then Lebron will sign elsewhere.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 10-25-2008 6:05 PM]
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10/25/2008  6:07 PM
Nope, he has a player option in his last year of 2010-11.
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10/25/2008  6:08 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I think you're confused. Lebron will be an FA in 2010. So those who are leaving in 2010/11 are irrelevant. If they're hear, then Lebron will sign elsewhere.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 10-25-2008 6:05 PM]

Same with Carmelo, C Bosh, Dirk, D Wade, and Yao Ming.
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Posted by 4949:

Nope, he has a player option in his last year of 2010-11.
And he will OBVIOUSLY exercise the player option. He's NOT going to stay in Cleveland for 1 year when who knows what will happen, when meanwhile every team in the league would be willing to give him a new $100 mil contract. The only time a player doesn't use their player option is when they're certain they can't get that same money on the open market.



[Edited by - bonn1997 on 10-25-2008 6:10 PM]
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10/25/2008  6:20 PM
Well then we gotta get rid of 40 million by the end of next year otherwise, it will be up to 43 million in their last years.

The new concentrations will be set on Curry, Zach, Crawford and Jeffries before next year ends.

That's the goal!

I asked the question and there's the answer.

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10/25/2008  6:27 PM
Jeffries and Craws contracts won't be as hard to get rid of. Setting up a two for one trade for each of Curry and Zach's contracts would work a little better, but were to put them. Boy, what a mess!

The other options is that there is some superstar in waiting, who might want to come here, because obviously we'll have plenty of money by then. Maybe it's true. Maybe we really can't get a super star in New York. Someone's gotta put in the extra year though. Well the other thing is that Walsh has two years to figure something out. Let's hope something comes up from now until then.
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10/25/2008  6:30 PM
On the other hand, I wonder if by them Curry will opt out. He has PO in his last two years. What in the world was Isiah thinking? That's what ya get when you hire a chicagoan.
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10/25/2008  6:52 PM
On the other hand, as a whole, all four are making 38 million right now, so when to trade them would be.................. 'RIGHT NOW! But again, were to put 6 new players in four empty spots? Would it be cheaper to just buy out the two lessor contracts then, if that does it? And of course, the incoming players would have to be one year short. That's gonna take a miracle.

(Basically, I'm talking to myself at this point).

[Edited by - 4949 on 10-25-2008 6:54 PM]
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10/25/2008  7:14 PM
Buying them out does nothing. They still work against the cap. Unless Jeffries has some kind of amazing turnaround, he is untradeable. Zach and crawford (and maybe Eddy) are the ones who can be moved but we'll have to give up assets to entice teams just to take them off our hands.
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10/25/2008  7:23 PM
So Jeffries has a 'no trade' clause in his contract I assume? The more I look at this, the more difficult and unrealistic it gets. Maybe I just proved to myself (and with the help of Bonn) that it's impossible to get LeBron or Bosh in New York. Or anyone of quality for that matter.

Is there such a thing as suing Isiah for what he's done to the organization. Is there such a thing as putting dolan in front of a firing squad?

Well, I just found the true math behind all this and it's not good at all folks. It may actually take another five years, before we do have an opportunity for a couple true superstar players. And by that time, our young guys won't be so young anymore.

We may be talking about having to rebuild again in five years if you can believe that.
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10/25/2008  7:24 PM
And I'm starting to realize why so many here and elsewhere feel so much love for the Ewing years, because at least they put everything they had into it, even though they didn't win it.
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10/25/2008  7:54 PM
Posted by 4949:

So Jeffries has a 'no trade' clause in his contract I assume? The more I look at this, the more difficult and unrealistic it gets. Maybe I just proved to myself (and with the help of Bonn) that it's impossible to get LeBron or Bosh in New York. Or anyone of quality for that matter.

Is there such a thing as suing Isiah for what he's done to the organization. Is there such a thing as putting dolan in front of a firing squad?

Well, I just found the true math behind all this and it's not good at all folks. It may actually take another five years, before we do have an opportunity for a couple true superstar players. And by that time, our young guys won't be so young anymore.

We may be talking about having to rebuild again in five years if you can believe that.
It's not impossible but no more screwing around. You have to take advantage of every opportunity to get rid of these players. Now there were dozens of reports that we could have traded Zach to Philly and simply traded down from 6 to 16. I still can't believe we didn't do that. The goal has to be to get real franchise players like the five I listed above, not to keep players like Zach and Jamal because one has a good week and hooked our fans again.
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Posted by 4949:

And I'm starting to realize why so many here and elsewhere feel so much love for the Ewing years, because at least they put everything they had into it, even though they didn't win it.
Also, the key thing is that we're going to have to give up ASSETS to get teams to take back these players. If we're near the cap and no team is taking back more salary, we may have to give up a lottery pick just to get rid of a player and make room for Lebron or Bosh or Yao.

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10/25/2008  8:02 PM
It could also be to that maybe Walsh isn't making any signings or moves right now because perhaps he is going to keep all of his options open to try to pry these four from the contract base, to try and open it up again.

Perhaps that is why he hasn't committed to Lee or Nate at this time also. It just seems more and more that something is going to happen, something big, but what it is, nobody knows.

Maybe it is possible to keep Craw and Jeffries for that last year and just concentrate on trying to get rid of Curry and Zach, to open it up just enough to bring LeBron over. Not to mention several other players contracts will have already disappeared already by then. And that would open it up for a two for one trade , twice with Curry and Zach, to be able to fill those spots temporarily.

I think I'm starting to see some light at the end of the tunnel again. What do you think about these suggestions?
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10/25/2008  8:07 PM
Overall, I think getting Curry and Zach's contracts divided would make it much, much easier for Walsh to negotiate with other teams, when crunch time comes along. It's really the only way to get around this, and he's lucky he has at least the two years required to do it with. If Zach and Curry's contracts were ending next year, then it would be a non issue.
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Doing the math for LeBron sweepstakes: What is so hard about this???

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