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10/25/2008  11:25 AM
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/55068/20081025/ewing_performance_may_earn_him_spot_on_knicks/
Oct 25, 2008 6:23 AM EST

The New York Knicks were leaning towards waiving Patrick Ewing Jr. by tomorrow's deadline in order to get their roster down to 15 players, but Friday's performance may have just won him a spot on the roster, the New York Post is reporting.

Ewing was the talk of the Garden after exploding in a nine minute stretch which saw two monster dunks and a three pointer, a blocked shot and midcourt steal that triggered a fastbreak and points for Nate Robinson Nate Robinson.

Ewing drove the fans into a frenzy, leading to the Garden chanting "Pat-rick Ew-ing".

"It showed they really appreciated and like what I do on the floor," Ewing said. "I feel that helped with our comeback."

Ewing has been fighting with guard Anthony Roberson for the final roster spot. Roberson signed a one year, $850,000 contract in the off-season while Ewing is owed $430,000.
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10/25/2008  12:15 PM
I hope so - if Jr. can live up to the promise he showed last night he fills a greater need than Roberson.

And I think the move would engender good will from the fans. He seems like a good kid, and the fans are pulling for him.
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10/25/2008  12:21 PM
'Seems' like good kid.

'Promise'.

'Good will from fans'.

It's the Ewing show all over again, but it's not really Ewing. Wake up people.
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10/25/2008  12:23 PM
The pressure is on Walsh and D'Antoni now. They will look especially stupid if they let him go. (I'm not talking so much about his performance, that was icing on the cake, the cake being his father and making right something done wrong).

Tough one. Roberson does have a great shot by all accounts. Jerome, being useless plays a vital practice role. But I'd be willing to let that part slide. Rose adds a lot to the locker and atmosphere (not the last two years, ehehe) but I think that isn't a problem this year. Hmmm, decisions decisions.

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10/25/2008  12:24 PM
Basketball acumen and ability aside, Walsh would be a fool not to make a spot for him. There isn't a Knicks fan around that doesn't want to see this kid stick. He's a reminder of better days. I love that he comes hours early to practice. I love that he replaces what Balkman brought and IMO has a significantly greater upside and he's doesn't have a bong showcase room.

But on top of that, he *has* acumen. He has a high basketball IQ and simply knows what to do and how to do it. He *has* ability. He might be the best combination of frame and athleticism on the team... maybe Nate is a better athlete, but you could debate that. what you can't debate is that he has that rare combination of NBA body and NBA athleticism.

I can't think of another player more perfect to be in that 9-15 role. Fans adore him. He works his ass off and would be great in practice. He has the right attitude of trying to earn his way on the court.

I think what I love most about him is he isn't entitled. He isn't just assuming he'll make the team because he's Ewing's kid.

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10/25/2008  12:27 PM
Posted by earthmansurfer:

The pressure is on Walsh and D'Antoni now. They will look especially stupid if they let him go.

And they could look equally stupid, along with all the stupid fans if he doesn't pan out to what he's being made out to be. I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong, if he does turn into some kind of star player for this team, but I'm totally against picking this guy up just because his name is 'EWING'!
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10/25/2008  1:05 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by earthmansurfer:

The pressure is on Walsh and D'Antoni now. They will look especially stupid if they let him go.

And they could look equally stupid, along with all the stupid fans if he doesn't pan out to what he's being made out to be. I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong, if he does turn into some kind of star player for this team, but I'm totally against picking this guy up just because his name is 'EWING'!

Don't let the word (Ewing) get between you and what it actually is. He is more than Ewings son. He represents and is a part of that time in a sense. Do you not think the fans presence isn't a huge advantage or disadvantage to a team. If you forget, just go back to last year. We have another fan favorite who athletically is an oddity. He can really be something in this league and given some time he has all the rest.

To really appreciate what he might be able to bring you got to look past typical mundane things and talk about the "energy" and presence he brings with him. But you see that then resonates to the crowd and that to the team. Sort of like how Malik has a great locker room presence, well, Ewing sort of does that for the crowd, but he also brings it!



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10/25/2008  1:08 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by earthmansurfer:

The pressure is on Walsh and D'Antoni now. They will look especially stupid if they let him go.

And they could look equally stupid, along with all the stupid fans if he doesn't pan out to what he's being made out to be. I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong, if he does turn into some kind of star player for this team, but I'm totally against picking this guy up just because his name is 'EWING'!
WHY must people keep thinking that the only real reason we'd keep Jr. is because of his name. The guy put on a good show at the combines and opened many eyes. He works hard here and is obviously a project, but he can do some things on the NBA level already. The only and i mean the ONLY thing that is in question is his shooting, which we all know has been an issue with MANY players coming into the league.

The kid has highest level athletic ability and a great attitude. He's already got solid defensive skills and he should get better. Don't look at what he is right now and stop there. We gave a chance to Balkman and why not this kid, who might have a better chance to develop a shot? We could use a versatile defender and this guy fits the bill. I say we keep him. We've got enough small shooting guards that don't defend.
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10/25/2008  1:17 PM
Posted by earthmansurfer:
Posted by 4949:
Posted by earthmansurfer:

The pressure is on Walsh and D'Antoni now. They will look especially stupid if they let him go.

And they could look equally stupid, along with all the stupid fans if he doesn't pan out to what he's being made out to be. I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong, if he does turn into some kind of star player for this team, but I'm totally against picking this guy up just because his name is 'EWING'!

Don't let the word (Ewing) get between you and what it actually is. He is more than Ewings son. He represents and is a part of that time in a sense. Do you not think the fans presence isn't a huge advantage or disadvantage to a team. If you forget, just go back to last year. We have another fan favorite who athletically is an oddity. He can really be something in this league and given some time he has all the rest.

To really appreciate what he might be able to bring you got to look past typical mundane things and talk about the "energy" and presence he brings with him. But you see that then resonates to the crowd and that to the team. Sort of like how Malik has a great locker room presence, well, Ewing sort of does that for the crowd, but he also brings it!

Yeah, but that's like a big set up. Get the fans electricity up and then have it crash to the ground if he becomes moot!

Jr. should totally be looked at from a skilled basketball player and not because of his father name and presence. It's the wrong way to look at a player. The majority of young people who take their famous parents name, when they get into the business of having live up to the parent, historically, they fail. So that's all I'm saying. I'm looking at him realistically and it is dangerous (to our plans) to make such a hasty investment.

In this case, it comes down to fiscal responsibility vs. fantasy. I say send Jr. somewhere to prove himself and if he's for real, then and only then should the Knicks think about a Roberson buyout. It's a fair deal right?

I know the fans are hyped, but do we make a deal like that based on the hype? I say no way. I sincerely want to know if he's for real, before we do make a move like that. I'm making my case based on 'how many times is it gonna take to finally learn our lessons about just picking up perceived talent based on our emotions and not the math which is an essential ingredient to building a championship team'?

I made this argument so many times before and I'm tired of feeling good about a guy, instead of knowing if he can really make a difference for this team.
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10/25/2008  1:25 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by 4949:
Posted by earthmansurfer:

The pressure is on Walsh and D'Antoni now. They will look especially stupid if they let him go.

And they could look equally stupid, along with all the stupid fans if he doesn't pan out to what he's being made out to be. I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong, if he does turn into some kind of star player for this team, but I'm totally against picking this guy up just because his name is 'EWING'!
WHY must people keep thinking that the only real reason we'd keep Jr. is because of his name.

For a very good reason I see it that way. It's funny how with a new system in place, even though we have basically the same team, that the basic fan base has totally 'no belief' that it could actually transform this bunch into a more productive team this year. And at the same time 'have all kinds of faith in a kid' with or without the Ewing name. Do you think my suspicions are unwarranted? I mean how can I 'not' believe that it is because of his name that he's getting all kinds of back padding and great things said about him??

It's all for the wrong reason.
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10/25/2008  1:28 PM
4949 he's a low risk end of the bench player right now. We didn't take him high in the draft, he was a 2nd rounder!!! He already has great talent and upside is yet to be determined, but if you take a kid like him out of the college format and get him in the NBA his skills show better in the NBA, not unlike Chandler.

Jr. defends, blocks shots and intimidates, rebounds, finishes and moves the ball. He's got a lot to learn, but if you ever get him fully developed he could be a good player in this league. So what exactly is the problem?
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Did you watch him play last night? We were down 21 points about halfway through the 4th! He comes in and scores 7 in 7 with a block. The fans ratchet it up because of his performance and the team is inspired and and we rally to within a Crawford fadeaway at the buzzer from a most improbable victory. Thats why he is getting love today. If you didn't see him in the game and you're only going by highlights or newspaper recaps you're not getting the totality of the effect he had.

If you did watch the game and still feel this way, then you're actually guilty of the same thing you decry. You're on his ass BECAUSE his name is Ewing rather than seeing what he brought to the table.

Roberson was clanking everything last night until his final two attempts. HE is the guy who was all hype coming into camp. His % is atrocious.


[Edited by - kam77 on 10-25-2008 1:32 PM]
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10/25/2008  1:31 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

Basketball acumen and ability aside, Walsh would be a fool not to make a spot for him. There isn't a Knicks fan around that doesn't want to see this kid stick. He's a reminder of better days. I love that he comes hours early to practice. I love that he replaces what Balkman brought and IMO has a significantly greater upside and he's doesn't have a bong showcase room.

But on top of that, he *has* acumen. He has a high basketball IQ and simply knows what to do and how to do it. He *has* ability. He might be the best combination of frame and athleticism on the team... maybe Nate is a better athlete, but you could debate that. what you can't debate is that he has that rare combination of NBA body and NBA athleticism.

I can't think of another player more perfect to be in that 9-15 role. Fans adore him. He works his ass off and would be great in practice. He has the right attitude of trying to earn his way on the court.

I think what I love most about him is he isn't entitled. He isn't just assuming he'll make the team because he's Ewing's kid.

[/end mancrush]

Good points SC.

I think the kid will get a spot. The way the Knicks are giving interviews to Ewing Jr. and showing highlights of him makes me think he is a keeper. He already has a nice fade away baseline shot. If he can be consistent with a midrange shot he will be around for awhile. I do not think the Knicks traded for him to just waive Jr.



[Edited by - BigC on 10-25-2008 1:37 PM]
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10/25/2008  1:32 PM
And they could look equally stupid, along with all the stupid fans if he doesn't pan out to what he's being made out to be. I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong, if he does turn into some kind of star player for this team, but I'm totally against picking this guy up just because his name is 'EWING'!

Don't let the word (Ewing) get between you and what it actually is. He is more than Ewings son. He represents and is a part of that time in a sense. Do you not think the fans presence isn't a huge advantage or disadvantage to a team. If you forget, just go back to last year. We have another fan favorite who athletically is an oddity. He can really be something in this league and given some time he has all the rest.

To really appreciate what he might be able to bring you got to look past typical mundane things and talk about the "energy" and presence he brings with him. But you see that then resonates to the crowd and that to the team. Sort of like how Malik has a great locker room presence, well, Ewing sort of does that for the crowd, but he also brings it!




Yeah, but that's like a big set up. Get the fans electricity up and then have it crash to the ground if he becomes moot!

That is a big "What if". If you are worried about that then get rid of a player (we have a few) who you know what they are and it don't help you. e.g. Malik, Big Snacks
Jr. should totally be looked at from a skilled basketball player and not because of his father name and presence. It's the wrong way to look at a player. The majority of young people who take their famous parents name, when they get into the business of having live up to the parent, historically, they fail. So that's all I'm saying. I'm looking at him realistically and it is dangerous (to our plans) to make such a hasty investment.

We are looking at him from a skilled point. Let go of the name thing. Don't you realize that is a part of what he is, but as others have said, but you won't let go of, is that his name (or rather the energy that comes with it) is just one aspect. Get serious, he is coming to practice super early, has always been a work horse, is an intelligent player and you talk about him wanting to get in on his name. The evidence doesn't show that. And hasty investment? Look at the stuff rotting on our bench, just cut it loose.
In this case, it comes down to fiscal responsibility vs. fantasy. I say send Jr. somewhere to prove himself and if he's for real, then and only then should the Knicks think about a Roberson buyout. It's a fair deal right?
We can't send him somewhere as he would be a free agent if we cut him. Roberson buyout? The kid can shoot, we can get a second for him more than likely, but time ain't on our side. Fiscal responsibility doesn't mean holding on to bad "assets" We are trying to get under the 2010 cap, so depending on if the contract of a player can be used in our advantage, I wouldn't say cutting something in favor of someone you really want (for 400k) is a bad fiscal responsibility. Look at it like this, do you want Jerome James for the next two years for 12 million or Ewing for 13+ million (What you will be paying for cutting Jermome plus Ewings salary).
I know the fans are hyped, but do we make a deal like that based on the hype? I say no way. I sincerely want to know if he's for real, before we do make a move like that. I'm making my case based on 'how many times is it gonna take to finally learn our lessons about just picking up perceived talent based on our emotions and not the math which is an essential ingredient to building a championship team'?

The fans are hyped but who says that is what the deal was based on? You are really jumping and exaggerating some points here. The argument to keep him is multifaceted and not just about fiscal responsibility, name recognition or fans being happy. Put it all together and add athletic ability, defense, etc.
I made this argument so many times before and I'm tired of feeling good about a guy, instead of knowing if he can really make a difference for this team.

Don't let the past get in the way of your heart. At least I can see that people are "feeling" what Ewing brings and also "thinking" cause he brings a lot.
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[Edited by - earthmansurfer on 10-25-2008 1:35 PM]
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10/25/2008  1:32 PM
Jr. defends, blocks, intimidates, rebounds, finishes and moves IN JUST ONE GAME?

And he's not low risk? If they take him, he'll already have cost the Knicks yet another 800 thousand dollars and will have to prove himself to be worth more than that.

Prove that he belongs! I want someone to prove that he belongs in the long run!! And not based on one game.
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10/25/2008  1:39 PM
Posted by kam77:

Did you watch him play last night? We were down 21 points about halfway through the 4th! He comes in and scores 7 in 7 with a block. The fans ratchet it up because of his performance and the team is inspired and and we rally to within a Crawford fadeaway at the buzzer from a most improbable victory. Thats why he is getting love today. If you didn't see him in the game and you're only going by highlights or newspaper recaps you're not getting the totality of the effect he had.

If you did watch the game and still feel this way, then you're actually guilty of the same thing you decry. You're on his ass BECAUSE his name is Ewing rather than seeing what he brought to the table.

Roberson was clanking everything last night until his final two attempts. HE is the guy who was all hype coming into camp. His % is atrocious.


[Edited by - kam77 on 10-25-2008 1:32 PM]

LIke I said, I will be the very first to admit I was wrong, if he pans out. But I can't do it (and you shouldn't either) based on one game!!! If he has a chance to prove it, an d proves it, then it wouldn't even matter two ****s to me if his name was 'Dudley'!
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10/25/2008  1:43 PM
Posted by 4949:

Jr. defends, blocks, intimidates, rebounds, finishes and moves IN JUST ONE GAME?

And he's not low risk? If they take him, he'll already have cost the Knicks yet another 800 thousand dollars and will have to prove himself to be worth more than that.

Prove that he belongs! I want someone to prove that he belongs in the long run!! And not based on one game.

If Ewing stays it is not because of what he did in one game. That is the fans and media's perspective. If Ewing stays it is because of his overall evaluation and if the Knicks feel they can market the kid.

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10/25/2008  1:57 PM
Posted by 4949:

Jr. defends, blocks, intimidates, rebounds, finishes and moves IN JUST ONE GAME?

And he's not low risk? If they take him, he'll already have cost the Knicks yet another 800 thousand dollars and will have to prove himself to be worth more than that.

Prove that he belongs! I want someone to prove that he belongs in the long run!! And not based on one game.
It's not just about one game! The kid always had this kind of ability, which is why Walsh wanted him in the 1st place.
Walsh noticed Jr. before the draft, back when he was impressing everyone at the pre draft workouts. He is one of those guys that can slip thru the cracks at times just cuz he's not a fully developed player, but he's coming on IMO. He continues to work hard on his game and IMO already has all the other things you look for in a player. All except a dependable jumper. That isn't the only thing that makes players workthwhile in the NBA.

I see nothing wrong with his form on his shots. His form looks fine and I think he can get better. There's no hitch in his shot and it looks steady and smooth. He may just need a ton of reps and confidence in his shot. He doesn't have to get great, but just decent enough to warrant being on the floor for the many other things he does well.


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10/25/2008  2:05 PM
Posted by 4949:

Jr. defends, blocks, intimidates, rebounds, finishes and moves IN JUST ONE GAME?And he's not low risk? If they take him, he'll already have cost the Knicks yet another 800 thousand dollars and will have to prove himself to be worth more than that.

Prove that he belongs! I want someone to prove that he belongs in the long run!! And not based on one game.

Ewing showed this promise at Gtown and its pretty obvious you never saw him play in the blue and gray. I've seen Ewing play over 30 times being a huge Gtown and CBB fan in general. He's similar to Balkman but a is a little more skilled out on the perimeter.

If it comes down to Ewing and Roberson its pretty obvious or it should be pretty obvious that he brings skills to the table that this team needs while Roberson is redundant with all the guards all ready on the team. If Robersons jumoer is off, which it has been all preseason, then he's worthless. Ewing brings much needed energy, (Chandler, Lee and Nate are our only other ebergy players), defensive hustle and a knack for weak side blocks (other than Chandler, nobody else provides this skill), he can crash the boards for his size, can finish above the rim in the open court (Chandler, Lee) and can defend out on the perimeter (? not sure who is capable of this on this current team).

Wtih that said, he's not going to get much playing time this yr (neither is Roberson) but down the road, I'd much rather have a developing 6'8 explosive athlete, who can run the floor and finish on the break and play some D as opposed to a one dimensional 6'0 inconsistant shooting guard.
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10/25/2008  2:39 PM
Posted by BigC:
Posted by 4949:

Jr. defends, blocks, intimidates, rebounds, finishes and moves IN JUST ONE GAME?

And he's not low risk? If they take him, he'll already have cost the Knicks yet another 800 thousand dollars and will have to prove himself to be worth more than that.

Prove that he belongs! I want someone to prove that he belongs in the long run!! And not based on one game.

If Ewing stays it is not because of what he did in one game. That is the fans and media's perspective. If Ewing stays it is because of his overall evaluation and if the Knicks feel they can market the kid.

Jr. was very close to being cut. What does that say? How come we haven't heard that James or Roberson have been very close to being bought out. Obviously though, they are thinking about something here, for the fact that nothings happened yet.
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