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OasisBU
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8/28/2003  12:00 PM
Why?

Chaney is not a winner, and while some can argue that Thomas isnt proven either and has several first round exits - he puts a touch ball club on the court. He knows how to coach younger players and can teach them a lot. And he is boys with Jermaine O'neil who is pissed his father figure was used as a ply to get him his 120 mil then fired. I say he becomes an NY Knick coach, revives the old Pacers Knicks rivalry and lets get it on.
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8/28/2003  12:25 PM
Hell NO! If i were to eventually replaced Chaney, I would not suggest Isiah T. No Way! Another note, if ya gave Chaney the same players on the Pacers team, he would be winning games as well. Both coaches won N.B.A. championships as players but Chaney won Coach of the yr once in his career. There's no reason to put blame on Chaney in terms of the team's downfall. He's been trying his best with the players that was given to him. Blame that turmoil Sh#@ on Knicks upper Mgmt.. (Dolan,Laydown and Mills.)
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8/28/2003  1:08 PM
I guess any trade, or any coach should be involved in the Knicks.

The ABC:

Anybody

But

Chaney

If you want Thomas to play point for us, thats a different story!!

Pacers were top team in the east at the all star break. Dropped out in first round of playoffs. Carlisle should have gotten that job when Bird left, not Thomas. Developes young players?

Artest (headcase), Camby?, Staudamire? He did ok with O'neal, but nothing besides that. HE made a real mess in toronto also.
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8/28/2003  1:45 PM
i would like coach john thompson
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8/28/2003  2:36 PM
Posted by OasisBU:

Why?

Chaney is not a winner, and while some can argue that Thomas isnt proven either and has several first round exits - he puts a touch ball club on the court. He knows how to coach younger players and can teach them a lot. And he is boys with Jermaine O'neil who is pissed his father figure was used as a ply to get him his 120 mil then fired. I say he becomes an NY Knick coach, revives the old Pacers Knicks rivalry and lets get it on.

I would take Thomas but my first choice would be Cooper. Thomas is a person who gets no love from NBA players I think it all goes back to the Jordan Boycott and the way he dumped Adrian Dantley for his friend Mark Aguirre in the Piston hay days. I agree with you though Thomas is a step up from Chaney. Its funny everyone goes back to the Coach of the year award for Chaney but everyone forgets that was the only winning season in his coaching career.
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8/28/2003  2:38 PM
We have the worst players and GM... and we're talking about hiring a new coach after our existing coach recently signed a contract extension? As you wish...
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8/28/2003  2:51 PM
Posted by Pike:

We have the worst players and GM... and we're talking about hiring a new coach after our existing coach recently signed a contract extension? As you wish...

I know its a Pike dream but we can dream can't we. Most of us know that the it won't happen but it could after all Rick Carisle was canned and now Thomas on a whim of the teams president.
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8/28/2003  2:58 PM
But a new coach won't add any rebounds...I'm not a Chaney apologist, but it's truly unfair to blame Dolan/Layden's junk on Don. Place the blame where it belongs - management.

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8/28/2003  3:09 PM
Posted by knixphan:

But a new coach won't add any rebounds...I'm not a Chaney apologist, but it's truly unfair to blame Dolan/Layden's junk on Don. Place the blame where it belongs - management.

You are right but Thomas is very good at developing young talent. So far Chaney in the last two years really did nothing. We will see how good Chaney really is this year there won't be any excuse if he fail but if he does well than all is good. He will have a full team Dice, Houston, KVH and KT with some youth at his side lets see how he does. I'll root for him to do well. But if doesn't then i'm canning him for the next best coach.
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8/28/2003  4:13 PM
Chaney can only truly be judged when all his big salary players are on the court, Dice Vanhorn, Houston along with the kiddie corp Lampe, Sweetney AND F.Williams.
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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8/28/2003  4:57 PM
Posted by knixphan:

But a new coach won't add any rebounds...I'm not a Chaney apologist, but it's truly unfair to blame Dolan/Layden's junk on Don. Place the blame where it belongs - management.

Now there's an intelligent comment.
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8/28/2003  5:20 PM
While it is unfair to blame ALL of the Knicks troubles on Chaney, lets not forget that there is plenty of blame to go around - Don included. First of all he has an extremly weak presence especially for an NBA coach in one of the larger sports markets. Thomas is an upgrade, I never said he was the absolute answer but he certainly is an upgrade. Remember when we had Nelson for a while and then eventually Van Gundy? Well Chaney is an interim coach for all those who dont see it - why not get a better one while you can?
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8/28/2003  7:13 PM
Years ago, I used to wish that Chaney would one day coach the Knicks.... Sometimes you get what you wish for but DAMN.... I thought he'd do a much better job and since he was such an accomplished defensive player, I figured that he'd have defense as a cornerstone of his gameplan. NOT! After he traded Spree for Keith Van Hype, I jumped the hell off the Chaney Train with the quickness. We traded our best defender for an absolute bust (especially on D).

As far as I am concerned, When LayDown and Mills get kicked to the curb, there should be enough room for Done Chaney's *** too.
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8/28/2003  9:12 PM
Chaney can only truly be judged when all his big salary players are on the court, Dice Vanhorn, Houston along with the kiddie corp Lampe, Sweetney AND F.Williams

Great point Playa, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out Chaney has not had the opportunity to utilize all his players.

Unless you are in denial

And for Chaney to be juxtapose to Zeke, brings out the bandwagon mentality in believing Zeke has some kind of instant fix that can take us to the promise land.

And the fact remains my friend, that Chaney has lifted this team that was beat down psychologically, and deserted by the previous coach only to have the player's lift their heads in producing career best performance the following year

This year Chaneys exploits TEAM NEW YORK




[Edited by - Bobby on 08/28/2003 21:17:17]
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8/28/2003  9:36 PM
Bobby, now that is some good stuff! Only those in the know can "UNDERSTAND"
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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8/28/2003  9:54 PM
Isiah sucksas a coach. That is why he was fired. He has been totally outcoached in the playoffs 3 yrs in a row. I am not a big fan of chaney but I wold rather have him over Isiah. At least Chaney is a man about things. He is soft like cream cheese but he is a gentleman. Isiah is a whining little baby.

Carlisle will get Indiana moving the ball like they didi with him as the assistant. Also the team will play D again!

Playa, wasn't it you who said deke was a great coach not too long ago?
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8/28/2003  11:11 PM
Posted by knixphan:

But a new coach won't add any rebounds...I'm not a Chaney apologist, but it's truly unfair to blame Dolan/Layden's junk on Don. Place the blame where it belongs - management.

exactly, it is not like chaney had a dirth of talent out there....
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8/28/2003  11:27 PM
Good take Bobby, Chaney did a good job with what he had,and he did not have much. Last year Dice went down, and Spree missed all preseason, 10 games and really did not get on track. Two of his three best players deserted him. the team played with heart, won some nice games against all teams, and played with pride. It was a fun season as the team was in the mix until the last two weeks.

With40% of the team first or second year players, no panic moves to trade valuable assets like our ending deals and draft picks, and possible Milos coming, this team is about the future. Chaney is not our future coach, Dice, KVH, Houstan are all non factors a few years down the road.

Support the youth movment, forget the past, look ahead........
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8/28/2003  11:31 PM
Posted by dadanyk:

i would like coach john thompson

Ooo, that's an intriguing pick. But, will he want to coach the Knicks? Better question: Is he physically able at this age to handle head coaching an NBA team? If yes, I would love John Thompson here.
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8/29/2003  10:53 AM
Posted by GoNyGoNyGo:

Isiah sucksas a coach. That is why he was fired. He has been totally outcoached in the playoffs 3 yrs in a row. I am not a big fan of chaney but I wold rather have him over Isiah. At least Chaney is a man about things. He is soft like cream cheese but he is a gentleman. Isiah is a whining little baby.

Oh wait, I forgot Chaney has a wonderful record in the post season, let alone the regular season. Thomas isnt supposed to be an instant fix, he is an upgrade over what we have though. Its not like this team couldnt use it. He did a decent job with Indiana not a terrible one. Now that Bird fired him all of the haters are out claiming Thomas cant coach. Cant you all see that there is a lot more behind this then his coaching record - try the hatred between Bird and Thomas. Try the fact that Bird always wanted Carlisle as head coach there. You can make excuses about playoff exits but remember Van Gundy's last trip to the post season? Remember when Doc Rivers made it out of round 1? Remember when Garnett brought his team to Rd. 2? These things dont make the above mentioned bad at what they do so what makes Thomas so horrible to all of you?
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