We need to make moves to get some of these guys out of here for value.

I think the most important aspect ABOVE winning is to piece together a new nucleus ASAP.

I mean we have KT under contract for one more year --are we going to pay a 33 year old KT 7- 8-9mm a year until he is 38?


We need to blow this team up piece by piece. This is a team that has won an average of 33 games a year the last two years.

We need to at some point find a trade where we can bring back a good young player--a pick and an ending contract for KT.

For example-moving KT and Ward to Pheonix for GooGs Casey Jacobsen and a 2004 #1 pick

something along the lines where we enhance another teams playoff run while we get rid of two 30+ year old players get a good young propspect and a pick.

Heck I would even take on Calvin Booth for Spoon. there is more possibilty Booth turns into something more talented in NY playing in the east than a 33 year old fat Weatherspoon.

Whatever it takes we need to methodically blow this thing up.

Trying to win with what we have is just going to produce another 35 win team. We have to get WORSE to get better LONG term.
the dice setback and the lack of a pick in 2002 really hurt the franchise--set us back atleast two years.

We need to have Sweetney Lampe and Williams getting 20 minutes of PT and that is going to be difficult with ward Thomas harrington etc.....


Can we trade Harrington to Utah for a second round pick?

If we had Amare and Camby, it would be the complete opposite--we would look to enhance the team to go for it.

Right nowwe are in such a state of flux that we nEEd to take a step or 2 back in order to take 5 forward.

I like your thinking to an extent. I don't think Booth or any long term contract makes sense for KT. I think KT has more value than that. I can't say I know the contracts involved, but how does KT/Ward for Tsakilidas/Joe Johnson work. Too much for KT & Ward maybe? Ok...but it gives the Suns a reliable PG behind Marbury & I think KT allows Amare/Stephon & the Matrix do their thing better than Tsakilidas. I certainly think KT would bring back more than Calvin booth.

Well lets look at this, Kt is a good player he is only 31 not 33 and still has at least 5 good years left in him... Believe me there is nothing wrong with having 30 year old players on the team, actually teams need these veterans, Now I agree that we should dump spoon but Kt is good and has a reasonable contract that expires soon. So blowing up this team piece by piece is easier said than done..

First of all you need to keep Kt, he has a good contract and is a good player, Getting rid of spoon and Anderson are priorities but that will be hard unless you package them with your future picks and that will be mortgaging your future. The knicks had a good draft, they need to develop Lampe, sweet and williams. Let the contracts of Ward, knight expire after this year, and Othella and Kt have good contracts that will be easy to move if the right deal came along...

I don't know what to tell you about Eisley, anderson and spoon but that will take a very creative deal. Until then we have to suffer with those scrubs....

by the way you are not trading spoon eisley andersen unless you take the same thing back 0 trade value.

The Suns already dealt the 2004 1st rounder to the Spurs for Barbarosa...the Brazilian PG.

Briggs, i feel ya!! They do need to do something for the long term. There's a team option for Kurt Thomas after the season so the knicks might just let him walk if they don't trade him. Booth for Spoon makes sense cause they have similiar contracts but Booth is a 6'11 shotblocker and only 27 as opposed to Spoon whose really a 6'5 undersized PF at 33. KT/Ward for Googs,Jacobson and Phoenix's pick, No way!! We got too many white boys as it is.(Doleac,KVH,Lampe, Vranes and Knight.) we don't need 2 more.

Briggs this is my debate i have with tkf all the time. the guy changes his opinion and contradicts him self all the time. the secret with tkf, he is a homer, he sees a bright side for his team. love is indeed blind.


This is great thinking by you and reality by sebstar.
it's time to completley eradicate the whole lineup, witht the exception of lampe. and the fact that thomas is playing well with a decent contract is all the more reason to trade him.

Thomas will not be young enough to be a serious contributer at a reasonable enough salary when the knicks seriously contend again. it's time to get something for him Houston and whoever else we can trade. guys we have the most expensive payroll, and we aint going no where, we need to make traes now to salary relief and go after lebron.

Posted by ICEMAN:

Thomas will not be young enough to be a serious contributer at a reasonable enough salary when the knicks seriously contend again. it's time to get something for him Houston and whoever else we can trade. guys we have the most expensive payroll, and we aint going no where, we need to make traes now to salary relief and go after lebron.

Just look at what you wrote, the knicks have 1 year left with Kt , in which they can let him go, so why should the knicks trade him for a longer contract( which is against your own rules) because that is all they will get for him. And again by time the knicks can get any FA's Kt contract will be up, so why trade a guy like Kt who has a good contract and showed no signs of slowing down... then you say dump Houston... Great I agree Dump him, but let me know when you find a team that will give up expiring contracts or shorter ones ICE!! Again what does me saying that Houston and Kt can still be effective until their mid 30's have to do with anything you are preaching about.... You step in your own BS so much, you can't smell it anymore!!!

OK back to the topic at hand afte our usual dose of Iceman BS..

I agree that we should gut this roster, I called for that on this site last year at the trade deadline, but when gutting the roster the key is to get rid of the bad contracts and I really felt that we could dump a bad contract along with spree since management was so intent on trading him. But why trade Kt who's contract has a year left unless we get another expiring contact which is defeating the purpose or unless we get a young stud and that is not happening. Trading Houston sounds great but again who will take him. The only way I see in dumping contracts like spoon ,eisley and anderson is to package them with a expiring deal like ward and knight and some future 1st round picks.. Lottery protected, but again trading those picks would hurt the rebuilding process....

Pike, EWING GOT PAID, HAKEEM GOT PAID PIPPEN GETTING PAID, MALONE GOT PAID ETC Howard got paid LJ GOT PAID Mourning got paid.. Alot of people get paid. Whether your agent is smart or average at best you take the money and thank God that you got it. Sometimes people who are just good people get blessed just for being that!

I dunno either pal, seems like you're always coming back for more.

lol

... not that it means anything but, thanks Hardcore. 5 positive posts 995 negative but then again, it's SCOTT LAYDEN and DA KNICKS... we're talkin' about.