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10/16/2008  4:11 PM
http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/knicks/archives/2008/10/stallion_gettin.html

October 16, 2008
Stallion getting closer

By MARC BERMAN

Rookie Danilo Gallinari had his longest and most vigorous workout today, running up and down the Westchester floor with strength coach Greg Brittenham, doing layups and shooting drills.

Mike D'Antoni thinks by middle of next week, Gallinari, who hasn't played since mid-July because of a bulging disc, could have his first practice with the team.

D'Antoni still could squeeze Gallinari into his nine-man rotation eventually, but it is a longshot.

There are eight set guys - the five starters and Nate Robinson, Stephon Marbury and Wilson Chandler off the bench. The ninth spot is up for grabs, with Malik Rose and Eddy Curry candidates and Jared Jeffries expected to get into the inner circle when he returns in mid-November.

"He ran pretty good and got tired,'' D'Antoni said. "Which is good. He wasn't able to run enough to get tired. I think he's going to be really good and will do a lot of stuff for us.''
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10/16/2008  4:59 PM
"He ran pretty good and got tired,'' D'Antoni said. "Which is good. He wasn't able to run enough to get tired.

Then this bodes well for Eddy and Jerome too. I know they can get tired from running too....
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10/16/2008  5:15 PM
Very good news. A slightly more in-depth blog written by Rod Boone, subbing for Alan Hahn:

Gallinari back next week?

Hello Fixer Nation. This is Rod Boone here. You might know me as Hot Rod. That's the nickname given to me by the King Fixer himself (we're still working on getting him to change that) so that's what we are going to go with.

Anyway, I covered practice today for your beloved bloghost. He's graciously allowed me to give you guys a quick update on the happenings at practice today. So here's what we've got as the Knicks prepare for tomorrow's preseason contest with the Celtics in Boston.

Probably the biggest nugget revolves around Danilo Gallinari. He ran about 3/4 speed and worked up a serious lather doing individual drills. He did some full court sprints, took several jumpers (sweet looking shot, by the way), and shot free throws. It's obvious it's going to take him a minute to get his conditioning back, but coach Mike D'Antoni was just glad to see him out there getting after it.

"Now he's got tired, which is great," D'Antoni said. "He has never able to run and get tired. So now we can start working on his wind."

There's a strong possibility Gallinari could be practicing with the team as early as mid week next week. But it's far from a definite.

D'Antoni, of course, is eager to work the Knicks' first-round pick into the mix.

"I think he is going to be really good," D'Antoni said. "I think he can do a lot of stuff for us. We've just got to make sure we go a little slower, but I'm getting anxious just like everybody else. We want him out there and I'm sure he's anxious. But he'll get there, he'll get there. Sooner than later."

* - D'Antoni expects to go with the same starting lineup vs. the Celtics that he sent out against the 76ers. For those scoring at home, that's David Lee, Quentin Richardson, Zach Randolph, Jamal Crawford and Chris Duhon.

Posted by Roderick Boone on October 16, 2008 3:15 PM



[Edited by - finestrg on 10-16-2008 5:17 PM]
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10/16/2008  5:34 PM
Awesome, thanks for that Fine. I seriously CAN NOT wait to see Danilo play in any sort of fashion. I still have alot of curiousity about his game and I can't wait to see more of that sweet sweet shot.
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10/16/2008  5:56 PM
People tend to assume that he can't help, cuz he's not physically a strong guy, but in this offense his best skill is the most important one. He can SHOOT! On D he's probably gonna be playing like 3 and at the most 4. So I would hope that he's fully healthy and can withstand holding his own in the post when he does have to defend a 4. If he can't do it in practice then I say he shouldn't play until he's healthy and strong enough to do so. I'm as anxious as the next guy but there's really no reason to rush him.

My guess is that he's a lot healthier than they've been letting on or that the back isn't as serious as some have assumed. Why else would MDA be talking like that? If he didn't really believe the kid was gonna play, he'd be hedging a bit more and talking about how the kid has a long way to go and won't likely see much action. That's the usual talk when a player isn't expected to have a role in his rookie yr. I think he's tailored made for this offense and MDA and Walsh have been low keying it, but in reality they feel he's gonna be a good player in this system. I think they've felt that way all along, even before the draft when they seemed to be surprised he could shoot so well. I mean really? They knew his father, had all these scouts including Isiah... I'm sure they knew just what kind of player this kid was. The coy routine is just to keep expectations low.
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10/16/2008  7:55 PM
I'm excited to see this kid do everything we see Zach and lee doing.....minus the rebounds but with even better passing and shooting.

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10/16/2008  9:43 PM
Wait a sec, the guy hasn't had any contact drills since SL training camp and now he is ready for what? Contact drills. The bar has been set so low on this team. I hope his back holds up, I don't want to see another McDyess type fisaco.
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10/16/2008  10:03 PM
Posted by nixluva:

People tend to assume that he can't help, cuz he's not physically a strong guy, but in this offense his best skill is the most important one. He can SHOOT!

I can easily see him taking Q's spot, since Q has shown so far that he's more of a brick layer.
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10/16/2008  10:06 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Wait a sec, the guy hasn't had any contact drills since SL training camp and now he is ready for what? Contact drills. The bar has been set so low on this team. I hope his back holds up, I don't want to see another McDyess type fisaco.

I'd give him at least two more weeks. I think their pushing it with this rook. Especially since they weren't willing to talk about his progress in some time and that doesn't sound like good news to me. They could end up ruining his health.

[Edited by - 4949 on 10-16-2008 10:07 PM]
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10/16/2008  10:11 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by nixluva:

People tend to assume that he can't help, cuz he's not physically a strong guy, but in this offense his best skill is the most important one. He can SHOOT!

I can easily see him taking Q's spot, since Q has shown so far that he's more of a brick layer.
Q would have to really have a bad showing and Gallo would have to be lights out for that to happen. I think Q just needs to slow down his shooting motion and he'll see his shot improve enough to remain in the rotation. I would love for Gallo to succeed, but it's not likely that he'll be sharp enough to get major minutes over Q.

He's got so much to adjust to and he's got to catch up with the guys who have already been playing for a while now. I just think that's a tough spot for Gallo. He has a slim shot at doing it, but it will take a while. It also depends on if MDA gives him a shot to prove himself. That will depend on what he shows in practice too.
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10/16/2008  10:26 PM
I dont see Gallo helping us until about Jan. He is running 3/4 speed hasnt played in three months and is in the NBA. He is one bump away from being out again.
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10/16/2008  11:07 PM
Posted by nixluva:

People tend to assume that he can't help, cuz he's not physically a strong guy, but in this offense his best skill is the most important one. He can SHOOT! On D he's probably gonna be playing like 3 and at the most 4. So I would hope that he's fully healthy and can withstand holding his own in the post when he does have to defend a 4. If he can't do it in practice then I say he shouldn't play until he's healthy and strong enough to do so. I'm as anxious as the next guy but there's really no reason to rush him.

My guess is that he's a lot healthier than they've been letting on or that the back isn't as serious as some have assumed. Why else would MDA be talking like that? If he didn't really believe the kid was gonna play, he'd be hedging a bit more and talking about how the kid has a long way to go and won't likely see much action. That's the usual talk when a player isn't expected to have a role in his rookie yr. I think he's tailored made for this offense and MDA and Walsh have been low keying it, but in reality they feel he's gonna be a good player in this system. I think they've felt that way all along, even before the draft when they seemed to be surprised he could shoot so well. I mean really? They knew his father, had all these scouts including Isiah... I'm sure they knew just what kind of player this kid was. The coy routine is just to keep expectations low.

Excellent post. I really like what you said about people being skeptical about his game because he doesn't appear to be a strong looking guy. Looks can be deceiving and in some cases completely unrevealing. Look at David Lee (look at Lee's arms) - the guy's no weakling but he doesn't look like Sly Stallone circa 1985 that's for sure, yet he goes out there, competes and gets the job done. A lot of people didn't think Lee could play the 4 in the NBA - not only can he play the position, he's got a chance to be one of the better PFs in the entire league and brute strength doesn't really play a big part in his success. How 'bout Larry Bird? He wasn't a bodybuilder, but his game never required him to be one. To me this kid's a 3 and it remains to be seen if he can add to his body and game to play some 4. But seeing time as a SF right now is fine with me and not every SF in this league looks like Corey Maggette...

As long as Gallo's healthy, I'm hoping for the same ability to compete as Lee - maybe not those type of results right away, but the willingness and ability to compete. He's got a lot to learn and he's got some catching up to do, but I'm confident he'll have an impact. There's no denying the kid's got some impressive tools: he looks to be an excellent shooter and looks like he can get to the basket and finish. Plus, he appears to have some toughness to him & he plays with intensity. Let's just start with those obvious positives. Adding strength, putting more pounds on, hopefully growing another inch or two which they predict.... that'll come. Playing against a diverse group including quicker guys like Q and Chandler and bigger guys like Lee and Randolph in practice everyday can only help him. I'm really looking forward to this kid contributing myself.


[Edited by - finestrg on 10-16-2008 11:28 PM]
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10/16/2008  11:19 PM
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by nixluva:

People tend to assume that he can't help, cuz he's not physically a strong guy, but in this offense his best skill is the most important one. He can SHOOT! On D he's probably gonna be playing like 3 and at the most 4. So I would hope that he's fully healthy and can withstand holding his own in the post when he does have to defend a 4. If he can't do it in practice then I say he shouldn't play until he's healthy and strong enough to do so. I'm as anxious as the next guy but there's really no reason to rush him.

My guess is that he's a lot healthier than they've been letting on or that the back isn't as serious as some have assumed. Why else would MDA be talking like that? If he didn't really believe the kid was gonna play, he'd be hedging a bit more and talking about how the kid has a long way to go and won't likely see much action. That's the usual talk when a player isn't expected to have a role in his rookie yr. I think he's tailored made for this offense and MDA and Walsh have been low keying it, but in reality they feel he's gonna be a good player in this system. I think they've felt that way all along, even before the draft when they seemed to be surprised he could shoot so well. I mean really? They knew his father, had all these scouts including Isiah... I'm sure they knew just what kind of player this kid was. The coy routine is just to keep expectations low.

Excellent post. I really like what you said about people being skeptical about his game because he doesn't appear to be a strong looking guy. Looks can be deceiving and in some cases completely unrevealing. Look at David Lee (look at Lee's arms) - the guy's no weakling but he doesn't look like Sly Stallone circa 1985, yet he goes out there, competes and gets the job done. As long as he's healthy, I'm hoping for the same ability to compete as Lee - maybe not the results right away, but the willingness to compete. He's got a lot to learn and he's got some catching up to do, but I'm confident he'll have an impact. There's no denying the kid's got tools: he looks to be an excellent shooter and looks like he can get to the basket and finish. Plus, he appears to have some toughness to him & he plays with intensity. Let's just start with those obvious positives. Adding strength, putting more pounds on, hopefully growing another inch or two like they predict.... that'll come. Playing against a diverse group including quicker guys like Q and Chandler and bigger guys like Lee and Randolph in practice everyday can only help him. I think we got a player here myself...

What are you talking about looks? Everyone witnessed his run in in SL. Everyone tried to make Tractor Taylor out to be this mystical juggernaut. The fact of the matter is that the majority of post players in the NBA do that on every trip up the court. That's why you tip your hat to a guy willing to take a charge in this league. That won't be a one time occassion, it will be on every trip up the court. You think guys like Lebron, Pierce, Garnett and Brand are going to go soft on this kid because they feel sorry for him because of his cranky back? No disrespect to Lee or Randolph but I don't think they should be used a barometer of tough guys in this league.
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10/16/2008  11:28 PM
Revised my post - I fleshed out my thoughts a little better. See above.

[Edited by - finestrg on 10-16-2008 11:39 PM]
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10/16/2008  11:29 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by nixluva:

People tend to assume that he can't help, cuz he's not physically a strong guy, but in this offense his best skill is the most important one. He can SHOOT! On D he's probably gonna be playing like 3 and at the most 4. So I would hope that he's fully healthy and can withstand holding his own in the post when he does have to defend a 4. If he can't do it in practice then I say he shouldn't play until he's healthy and strong enough to do so. I'm as anxious as the next guy but there's really no reason to rush him.

My guess is that he's a lot healthier than they've been letting on or that the back isn't as serious as some have assumed. Why else would MDA be talking like that? If he didn't really believe the kid was gonna play, he'd be hedging a bit more and talking about how the kid has a long way to go and won't likely see much action. That's the usual talk when a player isn't expected to have a role in his rookie yr. I think he's tailored made for this offense and MDA and Walsh have been low keying it, but in reality they feel he's gonna be a good player in this system. I think they've felt that way all along, even before the draft when they seemed to be surprised he could shoot so well. I mean really? They knew his father, had all these scouts including Isiah... I'm sure they knew just what kind of player this kid was. The coy routine is just to keep expectations low.

Excellent post. I really like what you said about people being skeptical about his game because he doesn't appear to be a strong looking guy. Looks can be deceiving and in some cases completely unrevealing. Look at David Lee (look at Lee's arms) - the guy's no weakling but he doesn't look like Sly Stallone circa 1985, yet he goes out there, competes and gets the job done. As long as he's healthy, I'm hoping for the same ability to compete as Lee - maybe not the results right away, but the willingness to compete. He's got a lot to learn and he's got some catching up to do, but I'm confident he'll have an impact. There's no denying the kid's got tools: he looks to be an excellent shooter and looks like he can get to the basket and finish. Plus, he appears to have some toughness to him & he plays with intensity. Let's just start with those obvious positives. Adding strength, putting more pounds on, hopefully growing another inch or two like they predict.... that'll come. Playing against a diverse group including quicker guys like Q and Chandler and bigger guys like Lee and Randolph in practice everyday can only help him. I think we got a player here myself...

What are you talking about looks? Everyone witnessed his run in in SL. Everyone tried to make Tractor Taylor out to be this mystical juggernaut. The fact of the matter is that the majority of post players in the NBA do that on every trip up the court. That's why you tip your hat to a guy willing to take a charge in this league. That won't be a one time occassion, it will be on every trip up the court. You think guys like Lebron, Pierce, Garnett and Brand are going to go soft on this kid because they feel sorry for him because of his cranky back? No disrespect to Lee or Randolph but I don't think they should be used a barometer of tough guys in this league.
For one thing the kid like MOST kids his age will need to adjust to the physical nature of the 4's in the NBA. He's gonna shift between 3 and 4, so I don't think he's gonna always have to deal with guys anywhere near the weight of Tractor. Yeah he'll take his lumps at first, but that's just the beginning. I predict that as he matures he'll be dishing out more embarrassing plays to his opponents than he receives. A highly skilled guy like him can hurt a defender in more ways than a guy with just brute strength to rely on. When he starts poppin J's in peoples faces and then pump faking and drving around guys then you'll see how much more important it is to have skill in the NBA. Neither Reggie Miller, Kevin Durant nor Tayshuan Prince are big strong guys, but they have BB skills and that's the reason they're successful.
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Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by nixluva:

People tend to assume that he can't help, cuz he's not physically a strong guy, but in this offense his best skill is the most important one. He can SHOOT! On D he's probably gonna be playing like 3 and at the most 4. So I would hope that he's fully healthy and can withstand holding his own in the post when he does have to defend a 4. If he can't do it in practice then I say he shouldn't play until he's healthy and strong enough to do so. I'm as anxious as the next guy but there's really no reason to rush him.

My guess is that he's a lot healthier than they've been letting on or that the back isn't as serious as some have assumed. Why else would MDA be talking like that? If he didn't really believe the kid was gonna play, he'd be hedging a bit more and talking about how the kid has a long way to go and won't likely see much action. That's the usual talk when a player isn't expected to have a role in his rookie yr. I think he's tailored made for this offense and MDA and Walsh have been low keying it, but in reality they feel he's gonna be a good player in this system. I think they've felt that way all along, even before the draft when they seemed to be surprised he could shoot so well. I mean really? They knew his father, had all these scouts including Isiah... I'm sure they knew just what kind of player this kid was. The coy routine is just to keep expectations low.

Excellent post. I really like what you said about people being skeptical about his game because he doesn't appear to be a strong looking guy. Looks can be deceiving and in some cases completely unrevealing. Look at David Lee (look at Lee's arms) - the guy's no weakling but he doesn't look like Sly Stallone circa 1985, yet he goes out there, competes and gets the job done. As long as he's healthy, I'm hoping for the same ability to compete as Lee - maybe not the results right away, but the willingness to compete. He's got a lot to learn and he's got some catching up to do, but I'm confident he'll have an impact. There's no denying the kid's got tools: he looks to be an excellent shooter and looks like he can get to the basket and finish. Plus, he appears to have some toughness to him & he plays with intensity. Let's just start with those obvious positives. Adding strength, putting more pounds on, hopefully growing another inch or two like they predict.... that'll come. Playing against a diverse group including quicker guys like Q and Chandler and bigger guys like Lee and Randolph in practice everyday can only help him. I think we got a player here myself...

What are you talking about looks? Everyone witnessed his run in in SL. Everyone tried to make Tractor Taylor out to be this mystical juggernaut. The fact of the matter is that the majority of post players in the NBA do that on every trip up the court. That's why you tip your hat to a guy willing to take a charge in this league. That won't be a one time occassion, it will be on every trip up the court. You think guys like Lebron, Pierce, Garnett and Brand are going to go soft on this kid because they feel sorry for him because of his cranky back? No disrespect to Lee or Randolph but I don't think they should be used a barometer of tough guys in this league.
For one thing the kid like MOST kids his age will need to adjust to the physical nature of the 4's in the NBA. He's gonna shift between 3 and 4, so I don't think he's gonna always have to deal with guys anywhere near the weight of Tractor. Yeah he'll take his lumps at first, but that's just the beginning. I predict that as he matures he'll be dishing out more embarrassing plays to his opponents than he receives. A highly skilled guy like him can hurt a defender in more ways than a guy with just brute strength to rely on. When he starts poppin J's in peoples faces and then pump faking and drving around guys then you'll see how much more important it is to have skill in the NBA. Neither Reggie Miller, Kevin Durant nor Tayshuan Prince are big strong guys, but they have BB skills and that's the reason they're successful.

Great counterpoints with good examples, especially Tayshaun Prince - I mean look at that guy, he's a stringbean - but that guy can play and always manages to have an impact. You know what Nix, some guys just don't have any confidence in this young man and he's just gonna have to get himself out there and start proving people wrong. Simple as that.
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10/16/2008  11:42 PM
There's nothign wrong with Danilo having to prove himself to everybody, that's the way it SHOULD be. I hope he gets the chance to do so soon, because obviously he's a pretty big chip for us.
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Posted by Finestrg:

Great counterpoints with good examples, especially Tayshaun Prince - I mean look at that guy, he's a stringbean - but that guy can play and always manages to have an impact. You know what Nix, some guys just don't have any confidence in this young man and he's just gonna have to get himself out there and start proving people wrong. Simple as that.

Which of Prince, Durant, or Miller had their career derailed for months after one incidental summer league outing? It's not like people saw the guy with his shirt off and said he's too thin to play in the NBA, which is how you and 'luva are trying to play this. The problem is his back. Pharzeone doesn't need me to speak for him, but the way I read him was that if Tractor could derail his career by playing him the way he did, so could anyone.
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Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Finestrg:

Great counterpoints with good examples, especially Tayshaun Prince - I mean look at that guy, he's a stringbean - but that guy can play and always manages to have an impact. You know what Nix, some guys just don't have any confidence in this young man and he's just gonna have to get himself out there and start proving people wrong. Simple as that.

Which of Prince, Durant, or Miller had their career derailed for months after one incidental summer league outing? It's not like people saw the guy with his shirt off and said he's too thin to play in the NBA, which is how you and 'luva are trying to play this. The problem is his back. Pharzeone doesn't need me to speak for him, but the way I read him was that if Tractor could derail his career by playing him the way he did, so could anyone.

Back injuries are generally serious, I'll grant you, but come on man, who said the guy's career was derailed? That's really what you see here??? You're kidding right? I mean did he have career ending surgery we all didn't hear about? Gotta relax here fellas... First, Gallo says a few weeks ago that he was feeling better. A good sign. Then we see him running and shooting on the court before the game at home against Philly last night. Another positive - Wouldn't have seen that if there was any risk of the dude hurting himself. Now we all read the various blogs this morning saying D'Antoni's running him harder than ever and he's working hard enough now to the point where he's getting tired. A great sign. I mean what's the title of this thread anyway???

Maybe the back wasn't as serious as they first thought and they just decided not to rush him, who knows, they haven't really revealed too much of anything. Remember he is arguably one of the organization's most important building blocks for the future so why risk anything? That could be the team's thinking here all along. We've heard rumblings that it may have been a bulged disc but from what I've heard, that's hardly a career ender. You and Pharz really are sticking the proverbial fork in this kid it seems.. LOL!

Sounds like he's close. When he's ready to go, he's got a lot of things to prove to people, me and Nix included. So let's just see what happens.


[Edited by - finestrg on 10-17-2008 12:52 AM]
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Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Finestrg:

Great counterpoints with good examples, especially Tayshaun Prince - I mean look at that guy, he's a stringbean - but that guy can play and always manages to have an impact. You know what Nix, some guys just don't have any confidence in this young man and he's just gonna have to get himself out there and start proving people wrong. Simple as that.

Which of Prince, Durant, or Miller had their career derailed for months after one incidental summer league outing? It's not like people saw the guy with his shirt off and said he's too thin to play in the NBA, which is how you and 'luva are trying to play this. The problem is his back. Pharzeone doesn't need me to speak for him, but the way I read him was that if Tractor could derail his career by playing him the way he did, so could anyone.

Back injuries are generally serious, I'll grant you, but come on man, who said the guy's career was derailed? That's really what you see here??? You're kidding right? I mean did he have career ending surgery we all didn't hear about? Gotta relax here fellas... First, Gallo says a few weeks ago that he was feeling better. A good sign. Then we see him running and shooting on the court before the game at home against Philly last night. Another positive - Wouldn't have seen that if there was any risk of the dude hurting himself. Now we all read the various blogs this morning saying D'Antoni's running him harder than ever and he's working hard enough now to the point where he's getting tired. A great sign. I mean what's the title of this thread anyway???

Maybe the back wasn't as serious as they first thought and they just decided not to rush him, who knows, they haven't really revealed to much of anything. Remember he is arguably one of the organization's most important building block for the future so why risk anything? That could be the thinking. We've heard rumblings that it may have been a bulged disc which is hardly a career ender. You and Pharz really are sticking the proverbial fork in this kid it seems.. LOL!

Sounds like he's close. When he's ready to go, he's got a lot of things to prove to people, me and Nix included. So let's just see what happens.


[Edited by - finestrg on 10-17-2008 12:47 AM]


I said his career was derailed "for months," and indeed it has. No Olympics, no training camp and probably no preseason.

Look, it's all moot if he returns quickly and strong, but if his back really did get busted up by one preseason game it doesn't bode well for what months of the regular season will bring. And if it's a more chronic issue than that it's even scarier.

I don't care how much he weighs or who was leaning on him, there's no way that little bitty contact with Traylor should have sidelined him for months. And I don't even trust the reports that he's ready. It was just a few days ago they were saying he wasn't better, they just considered it progress that he wasn't feeling worse.

It just doesn't add up, that's all.

I wish him a speedy recovery, but I expect a setback if contact begins again soon.
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