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technomaster
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8/20/2003  2:16 AM
After trading Sprewell... it sure looks to me as if our backcourt is a little bit thin. What happens if Houston (for example) goes down with an injury. Anderson steps in as the starter, but who comes off the bench for him? Does Eisley play SG? Maybe Travis Knight gets an opportunity to show his versatility and his secret perimeter game? Does FW turn into the next Doc Rivers?

With the addition of Lampe, KVH, Sweetney, and Vranes, we've now added 4 big men without losing anyone major.

What happens to the roles of Doleac, Harrington, Thomas, 'Spoon, and Knight?

We have 7 decent bigmen to split 3 positions between them.
Let's pencil in KVH and Thomas as starters... who is the best player available to play the remaining frontcourt position? Let's say each guy averages 33mpg... leaving 15mpg at 2 positions, and 48mpg at the 3rd.

If Doleac comes to camp healthy, could he be a "legit" 15mpg player. So by the math, we still have 63mpg to fill. You could give Sweetney, Lampe, and 'Spoon 21mpg each.

If/when McDyess comes back, that adds an 8th big man to our mix. If he's 100%, he's good for 35mpg...

Of course, the most ironic part of the Sprewell trade is that we STILL do not have a traditional SF on the team! We'll have these somewhat sluggish big guys at the position. KVH/Knight/Lampe/Spoon might be our best options at the SF position, and none has the skills to swing to SG in times of need.

Our only hope is that our big SFs will be able to take advantage of mismatches on the offensive end... and that they are able to outrebound their opponents.

Maybe Nailon will be back. We could certainly use a goodly sized swingman (Postell replacement?!) as insurance. Stephen Jackson?

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8/20/2003  7:12 AM
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8/20/2003  9:41 AM
I figure that Thomas and Doleac (health permitting) will get the bulk of the minutes inside, unless Layden decides that Lampe is good to go. Knight will be a DNP for most of the season, as usual. I wonder how he keeps getting on teams if he never contributes......

At the PF, I think it's Harrington, McDyess, 'Spoon. All these guys can bang,which we will need, since we don't have a real go to center. Thomas will need the help in the middle, again.

KVH is obviously the SF, with Sweetney coming off the bench. Maybe the run a smaller set with 3 gaurds in the backcourt, but I doubt it. This will give KVH a chance to do what he does: roam around, take some jumpers, stay out of contact.

I like Nailon, and hope he does return, but why would the Knicks want him back? To sit on the bench again, behind KVH instead of Spree? They already have players filling that role.

I am worried about the thin backcourt though, especially since we don't have what you might call a high-scoring front court. If Houston goes down, we are screwed. Andersen is a fine backup, but he doesn't average double digits. There isn't another SG on the roster.

At point, it looks like a logjam on paper, but frankly, I don't think there are alot of scoring options here. Eisley is fine, don't get me wrong, but when he sits down, you have two options: play williams, or play ward. Williams is still green, and who can really say what his production will be? Ward is obviously on the downside of his somewhat marginal and overpaid career, and should be traded, but probably won't be.

Not alot to work with in the Knicks backcourt.
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8/20/2003  10:32 AM
We have enough big men who are true power forwards but we need a shot blocking center who can see good minutes off the bench. Dampier, Booth, and James are the guys we have the best shot at.
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8/20/2003  11:12 AM
Any sense in a Ratliff/Terry for Ward/Thomas deal? We could theoretically balance out the salaries with all the garbage that exists on both teams (like Spoon or Harrington).
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8/20/2003  11:26 AM
Demarr Johnson is available and can be had on the cheap. He is tall, very young and although he is comming off the major car accident, he seems to be getting back to normal. He can play SF and SG and can handle the ball and hit the 3.. He would be a nice pick up and a future replacement at the SG position. This move makes too much sense and that is why Layden would not do it!!
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8/20/2003  12:25 PM
DemarrJohnson has signed with MEMPHIS already.
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8/20/2003  12:31 PM
Hahaha. :) I like it when people overvalue our players in potential trades. I just don't see how/why GS would trade Dampier, especially at this point (now that GS is under the cap). If they trade him, who plays center for them--- Troy Murphy? Imho he's not a bad option... but he's not a shot blocker.

5ience. He's still very young and you'd have expected him to show a little more potential by now if he was going to be a star. He's tall (6'9") and athletic... and would be a nice guy to develop off the bench.
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8/20/2003  1:42 PM
Posted by technomaster:

Hahaha. :) I like it when people overvalue our players in potential trades. I just don't see how/why GS would trade Dampier, especially at this point (now that GS is under the cap). If they trade him, who plays center for them--- Troy Murphy? Imho he's not a bad option... but he's not a shot blocker.

5ience. He's still very young and you'd have expected him to show a little more potential by now if he was going to be a star. He's tall (6'9") and athletic... and would be a nice guy to develop off the bench.
Murphy is one of Golden State's up and coming players so they won't trade him. They want to deal Dampier to get even further under the cap because being under the cap the two million or so that they are doesn't really do a lot. Dampier has three years left on his contract and though he could opt out after this year, theres no way he will do that because of the amount of money he will make over the last two years of his contract. I would love to see if we could deal Harrington and Knight for Dampier because that puts Golden State another 6 million or so under the cap when Knight comes off the books next summer and Harrington will come off the books in two years, plus he will give Golden State a good back-up for Murphy and a very affordable one for that matter. We get a good center that can be one of the best back-up centers in the league and even make Thomas expandable next year if not this year.
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8/20/2003  2:21 PM
Posted by playa2:

DemarrJohnson has signed with MEMPHIS already.
thanks playa.. and it figures that West would sign him... smart move..
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8/20/2003  4:02 PM
playa are you sure Demarr signed with Memphis? He was on their summer league roster, but I don't think he hase signed with them. No mention on the ESPN Mamphis page or their NBA site.

If he is healthy he would be a nice addition to provide a backup at the 2 for the Knicks.
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8/20/2003  8:53 PM
New York could never have too many big men, and I'm adding the following trade to the roster: NY trades Harrington + Doleac for Kwame Brown + driver

This last incident should have Layden knocking on Ernie's door.
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8/20/2003  9:08 PM
Posted by technomaster:

Hahaha. :) I like it when people overvalue our players in potential trades. I just don't see how/why GS would trade Dampier, especially at this point (now that GS is under the cap). If they trade him, who plays center for them--- Troy Murphy? Imho he's not a bad option... but he's not a shot blocker.

5ience. He's still very young and you'd have expected him to show a little more potential by now if he was going to be a star. He's tall (6'9") and athletic... and would be a nice guy to develop off the bench.
Agreed. Basically we don't want these guys because they are garbage. But fans always try to rationalize why some other team would want our garbage in exchange for good players. And to add to the twisted logic they always make up some crazy reason why the other team doesn't want their perfectly good player.
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8/21/2003  2:49 PM
There is only one thing the Knicks have too much of... bad players.
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8/22/2003  8:25 PM
NWNY: hahahahahah!!! Yeah.

We have an excess of overpaid borderline starter-type players. I don't think Eisley, Ward, Anderson, Harrington, 'Spoon suck. I just think they're below average/borderline starters. They're good enough to suck up minutes, but you can't help but wish all of them were more complete players.

In spite of all of the great swingmen in the league, I think Houston is at least top-10 material (though his contract suggests he should be a top-10 overall player). Kurt Thomas is right around league average as a starting PF--- as a center, he's arguably top-10 statistically. Other than these, two... we're a bit hurting. Tough to say what position KVH plays--- I'd argue that in the right system, he could be a top-10 SF or top-10 PF--- but of course, we'll have to wait and see
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