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10/5/2008  8:05 PM
The Knicks were 13 - 19 when they scored 100 or more points.

The Knicks were 10 - 40 when they scored less then 100 points.

I think D'Antoni understands these numbers and knows what this team is capable of under a D'Antoni system. Our points will certainly increase this season.

Make note that two of the loses were against the Suns last season, D'Antoni's last team. A team that averaged about 109 a game vs. the Knicks just under 97 a game.

Make note of the list below. The Knicks lost six' of these games within 5 points. Under a D'Antoni system, that could easily be five extra wins right there. These aren't hard core stats, but clues to what can be.

Also the fact that they scored 100 or more 32 times, so they are capable of scoring high points.

Here's the list I found:

Lost to Cleveland 110-106
Beat Denver 119-112
Lost to Orlando 112-102
Lost to Phoenix 113-102
Lost to Sacramento 123-118
Beat Utah 113-109
Lost to Phoenix 115-104
Beat New Jersey 100-93
Lost to Seattle 117-110
Beat Cleveland 108-90
Beat chicago 105-100
Beat Washington 100-93
Beat New Jersey 111-105
Lost to Golden State 106-104
Lost to L.A. Lakers 120-109
Lost to Indiana 103-100
Lost to Boston 111-103
Beat Washington 113-100
Beat Toronto 103-99
Beat Charlotte 113-89
Lost to Cleveland 119-105
Lost to Portland 120-114
Lost to Memphis 120-106
Beat Miami 103-96
Lost to Atlanta 114-109
Lost to Milwaukee 119-115
Lost to Memphis 130-114
Lost to Charlotte 118-110
Beat Orlando 100-90
Beat Charlotte 109-107
Lost to Atlanta 116-104
Lost to Indiana 132-123



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10/5/2008  8:26 PM
I would also like to add that some say the Suns were successful because of Steve Nash, but if you go look at the stats in Dallas and look at his stats under Mike D'Antoni system, Nash's assists increased' during that period from anywhere for 2 to 2.5 assists a game.

So my argument is 'Mike made Nash into the point guard he is today and there is no reason why Mike can't force our guards to increase their assists per game either'.

Don't believe me? Go look at his stats and look at when Mike took over the Suns head coaching position (full time). It's startling. Mike and Nash had full time coach to player contact in 2004-05 season. I'm kind of wondering if he can turn suckbury into an assists man again?

Remember, suck will be moving, with no time to think about things, which is what gets him into trouble when he does think. This could actually work!
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10/5/2008  8:26 PM
Well the Knicks can't play defense so they might as well jack it (the ball) up like Pee Wee Herman at the doctors office.


One thing that is good about pushing the ball is when you run it is hard for other teams to setup their defensive sets.
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10/5/2008  8:30 PM
Exactly, and that's what they will be doing. No defense (or what they can get) but mainly score, score, score!!! Just keep on moving and scoring. The more I look at Phoenix numbers and types of players, the Knicks can do at least half as good, which would be big improvement. If they can thrive on a higher level, then we have a shot at the playoffs and who knows.

Change has finally come.


Dude, Pee Wee Herman? That's funny!

[Edited by - 4949 on 10-05-2008 8:34 PM]
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Posted by 4949:

I would also like to add that some say the Suns were successful because of Steve Nash, but if you go look at the stats in Dallas and look at his stats under Mike D'Antoni system, Nash's assists increased' during that period from anywhere for 2 to 2.5 assists a game.

So my argument is 'Mike made Nash into the point guard he is today and there is no reason why Mike can't force our guards to increase their assists per game either'.

Don't believe me? Go look at his stats and look at when Mike took over the Suns head coaching position (full time). It's startling. Mike and Nash had full time coach to player contact in 2004-05 season. I'm kind of wondering if he can turn suckbury into an assists man again?

Remember, suck will be moving, with no time to think about things, which is what gets him into trouble when he does think. This could actually work!

Nash was the main reason for the Suns playing well. You can not compare the Dallas stats to the Suns stats because they are two different teams. On Dallas you have many ball handlers. Josh Howard, Daniels, Dirk, Van Exel, etc... The assists are spread out more on the Mavs. Whoever got the ball pushed the rock. Example Dirks pushes the rock on the Suns Amare does not. On the Suns they would wait for Nash to push. Plus Nash was healther on the Suns. When Nash was on Dallas in the playoffs he looked banged every year like an injury waiting to happen towards the end of every season. Some even felt when Nick Van Exel was on Dallas in the playoffs Nick should gotten the nod over Nash.



[Edited by - BigC on 10-05-2008 9:01 PM]
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10/5/2008  8:52 PM
Posted by BigC:
Posted by 4949:

I would also like to add that some say the Suns were successful because of Steve Nash, but if you go look at the stats in Dallas and look at his stats under Mike D'Antoni system, Nash's assists increased' during that period from anywhere for 2 to 2.5 assists a game.

So my argument is 'Mike made Nash into the point guard he is today and there is no reason why Mike can't force our guards to increase their assists per game either'.

Don't believe me? Go look at his stats and look at when Mike took over the Suns head coaching position (full time). It's startling. Mike and Nash had full time coach to player contact in 2004-05 season. I'm kind of wondering if he can turn suckbury into an assists man again?

Remember, suck will be moving, with no time to think about things, which is what gets him into trouble when he does think. This could actually work!

Nash was the main reason for the Suns playing well. You can not compare the Dallas stats to the Suns stats because they are two different teams. On Dallas you have many ball handlers. Josh Howard, Daniels, Dirk, Van Exel, etc... The assists are spread out more on the Mavs. Whoever got the ball pushed the rock. Example Dirks pushes the rock on the Suns Amare does not. On the Suns they would wait for Nash to push. Plus Nash was healther on the Suns. When Nash was on Dallas in the playoffs he looked banged ever year like an injury waiting to happen towards the end of every season. Some even felt when Nick Van Exel was on Dallas in the playoffs Nick should gotten the nod over Nash.

Yes BigC, they were two 'different' teams. That's what makes it a 'D'Antoni system'!

I'm not taking anything away from Nash. He was already a great player before he went to the Suns.

If it means anything, the Knicks last year averaged 18 assists a game, Dallas averaged 21 and the Suns averaged 26 a game.

But the main point is, just D'Antoni put Nash into a position to get more assists then he would have in Dallas, which makes him what he is today.

You can have all the tools, but if the coach does not utilize them, then your not going to get the opportunity. That's what I'm hoping D'Antoni can find in our guards, if not one specific guard.

I don't want to make this into a straight up Nash argument. I want to use him as an example of what we might be able to find, if we can in fact find quality in any of our guards.

[Edited by - 4949 on 10-05-2008 9:00 PM]
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10/6/2008  12:07 AM
4949 you get it and don't let anyone tell you differently. I've been a supporter of this teams talent for a while now and I feel that we've been playing the wrong style. Isiah said he was gonna play more like PHX, but he lacked the coaching skill to get it done. MDA is the original and not a poor Isiah copy. He'll stand a far better chance of getting it done. I really like some of the players Isiah added, but then he would mess things up and add players that didn't fit or were redundant. MDA is basically undoing that by his SL lineup and rotation. He's selecting the guys that can play his system and leaving those that can't on the bench.
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10/6/2008  6:46 AM
13-19 when you score 100+ points is terrible. You have to be very bad to be sub .500 in those games.
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10/6/2008  8:43 AM
13-19, sounds like playoffs!

That is 33 wins out of 82, woohoo!

I guess that would mean we are turning the corner.
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10/6/2008  9:09 AM
The actual record isn't the point! It's about what the right style of play for this team. We've all noticed how much better this team has looked over the years when they played uptempo. Well MDA is the
King of uptempo.
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10/6/2008  12:52 PM
Posted by nixluva:

The actual record isn't the point! It's about what the right style of play for this team. We've all noticed how much better this team has looked over the years when they played uptempo. Well MDA is the
King of uptempo.

It's not like we haven't attempted to play like the Suns. I recall when Isiah came in to coach he said he wanted an uptempo style, sure we laughed at the fact that he said that since we have a pretty fat team upfront but it isn't like we never played that style. We just weren't successful enough. If switching the style means so much to you, maybe you be a fan of another team beacuse at the end of the day it is the record that matters most.
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10/6/2008  4:45 PM
Posted by fimslim3:

13-19, sounds like playoffs!

That is 33 wins out of 82, woohoo!

I guess that would mean we are turning the corner.

LOL! that's exactly what i was thinking.
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10/6/2008  8:50 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

13-19 when you score 100+ points is terrible. You have to be very bad to be sub .500 in those games.

The whole point of the thread is 'this team is capable of scoring high octane points'. This isn't going to be the same old 'slow it down and set it up' team anymore. These guys are running and they will score more. That 13-19 was without D'Antoni's system in place. Expect this Knicks team to score at least 100 points in almost every game.
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10/6/2008  8:53 PM
Posted by fimslim3:
Posted by nixluva:

The actual record isn't the point! It's about what the right style of play for this team. We've all noticed how much better this team has looked over the years when they played uptempo. Well MDA is the
King of uptempo.

It's not like we haven't attempted to play like the Suns. I recall when Isiah came in to coach he said he wanted an uptempo style, sure we laughed at the fact that he said that since we have a pretty fat team upfront but it isn't like we never played that style. We just weren't successful enough. If switching the style means so much to you, maybe you be a fan of another team beacuse at the end of the day it is the record that matters most.

And I say their fat because they never played up tempo style before. Look at curry, he was throwing up and had to be sent to the hospital because his fat body couldn't take it. That was a wake up call for him and he now understands what he's in for, if he wants the rest of his money from his contract.
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10/6/2008  9:10 PM
BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is an old time tested word in NYC! 'We believe and we never' give up!!!!!!!!! That's why we win, win, win more than anyone else in major league sports. We are better than any city in the world.

Most of this team sucked and did very badly the last three years, but each season is a new season. A chance to see if things got any better.

Let's not be conditioned to believing that 'WE CAN'T'!!!
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Posted by 4949:

BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is an old time tested word in NYC! 'We believe and we never' give up!!!!!!!!! That's why we win, win, win more than anyone else in major league sports. We are better than any city in the world.

Most of this team sucked and did very badly the last three years, but each season is a new season. A chance to see if things got any better.

Let's not be conditioned to believing that 'WE CAN'T'!!!

I'll start believing when I see a change in the roster. We still have the same brass of players, nothing has changed.
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10/6/2008  11:33 PM
Nothing's changed???

Walsh! D'Antoni and his system! Galinari! Duhon! Roberson! minus Balkman! Minus isiah! Nothings changed?

[Edited by - 4949 on 10-06-2008 11:33 PM]
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10/7/2008  12:23 AM
Have the non-believer's noticed that most of the arguments going on now are not' whether these Knicks improved, but by 'how much' they improved?
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10/7/2008  12:19 PM
Posted by 4949:

Nothing's changed???

Walsh! D'Antoni and his system! Galinari! Duhon! Roberson! minus Balkman! Minus isiah! Nothings changed?

[Edited by - 4949 on 10-06-2008 11:33 PM]


Nothing has changed, add a role player here, subtract one there, besides that we're the same ole team. Front office has no correlation to how well (or not well) these players play.
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I guess you want isiah back?
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