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9/29/2008  10:31 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/sports/basketball/30knicks.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
For All Knicks Changed, Marbury Remains the Same

By HOWARD BECK
Published: September 29, 2008
GREENBURGH, N.Y. — The far edges of the gymnasium were quiet and uncongested. Near one baseline sat Allan Houston, a respected statesman and a symbol of better days. At the opposite end sat Chris Duhon, the new floor leader who is being asked to bring order to the often-chaotic Knicks universe.

The chaos lay somewhere between the baselines.

Stephon Marbury, who could be cut loose any time, drew a thick crowd of reporters and veered wildly between nonchalance and indignation. Zach Randolph, who figured — and perhaps hoped — to have been traded by now, shrugged at his own uncertain future. Eddy Curry, a very large man now playing for a small-ball coach, chose gentle optimism.

The Knicks have a new president (Donnie Walsh), a new coach (Mike D’Antoni) and a few new players, but there is no sign that the turmoil that has haunted them for years will pass anytime soon.

The eve of D’Antoni’s first training camp looked a lot like the eve of Larry Brown’s first camp or Isiah Thomas’s last, with Marbury occupying the center of the Knicks’ storm and his teammates treading warily along the edges.

The Knicks would like to talk about basketball, about D’Antoni’s acumen and the chance to improve on a 23-59 record and maybe, just maybe, make a run at the playoffs. Instead, the focus is Marbury, again.

“It’s bigger than any one person,” Jamal Crawford said at Monday’s annual media day. “This shouldn’t be our team’s focus, is if a person’s on the team or not on the team. We have to make the Knicks relevant again. I think that’s what we all need to be focused on.”

Players spoke only in generalities about the countless controversies that derailed the Knicks the last four years. Marbury was central to most of that drama, as an antagonist to Brown, Thomas and several others.

“It’s been something every year,” Crawford said of the Knicks’ habitual turmoil. “So hopefully everything works itself out. It wears everybody out. It’s draining. It’s mentally draining. So you just hope the situation gets resolved.”

There was a strong sense that Walsh would unload Marbury before camp opened Tuesday in Saratoga Springs, N.Y. It remains likely that he will be gone by opening night, Oct. 29. There was palpable disappointment that Marbury was still here Monday, although players were reluctant to say so outright.

Marbury, in contrast, had a lot to say. He conceded that the Knicks might not want him, but said he would never accept a contract buyout. He said he looked forward to playing for D’Antoni, but then hinted that he has had little communication with him. He insisted that he was not bothered by the criticism he has read, but he lectured one of his critics at length.

Marbury was perturbed by a Newsday column that referred to him as a “toxic asset,” akin to the devalued mortgage securities that have poisoned Wall Street. When the writer asked him a question Monday, Marbury fired back.


“It doesn’t matter what you say, it doesn’t matter that you called me toxins and that you called me all of these different things,” Marbury told the reporter Ken Berger. “That’s what you got to live with. It’s not me, it’s you.”

Marbury told Berger he would “teach my kids not to be like you” and said, “I’m just going to pray for you.”

When the interview was over, Marbury stood up and bear-hugged Berger and said several times, “I’m praying for you, man.”

Tellingly, Marbury never disputed the persistent reports that the Knicks want to unload him. He practically pleaded for his release, saying, “Well, if I’m not wanted here, then let me go.”

The obstacle is his $22 million contract, which is nearly impossible to trade and, in Walsh’s view, too much to swallow.

Asked about his interactions with teammates, Marbury said, “Next question.” Asked whether he has had any dialogue with D’Antoni, he said: “Um, you got to ask Mike that. I think he’s better to answer that question.”

The status of Curry and Randolph is equally tenuous. Both are expected to have difficulty playing in D’Antoni’s run-and-gun offense. Both have large contracts that extend beyond 2010, when the Knicks hope to be under the salary cap. The Knicks might have already dealt Randolph to the Los Angeles Clippers or the Memphis Grizzlies, but both teams demanded a first-round draft pick as part of the proposed deals.

Randolph did not join the Knicks for voluntary workouts this month, preferring to play pickup games at U.C.L.A., against Kevin Garnett, Andre Miller and other N.B.A. players. He said he was fully prepared to play in D’Antoni’s system, or anywhere else.

Randolph also came closer than anyone to criticizing Thomas, saying that the Knicks were not well prepared for games last season. Particularly toward the end of the season, Thomas held short practices or canceled them outright.

“There wasn’t nobody really saying just, ‘You need to do this, you need to be here, we need to do this. If you don’t do it, you’re coming out of the game.’ ”

Asked if that was a coaching issue, Randolph gave a nervous chuckle.

“It’s going to be a lot better this year,” he said.

REBOUNDS

Danilo Gallinari, who has been dealing with a sore back for three months, said his goal is to play in the last two or three exhibition games. He has not yet been cleared to run and probably will not get on the court this week. Gallinari received a second cortisone shot late last week.



He needs to go now. End it, Donnie. Do the right thing. I can't stand the idea of Marbury derailing another season. He's already doing so. End it. End it. End it. I hate this little punk.
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9/29/2008  11:24 PM
Just maybe, Starbury is the lone glimmer of hope that gives off enough light in a sea of darkness to make a difference this season. BTW, I'm praying for Ken Berger too. You need Jesus in your life, my man.

On another note, Gallinari got a second cortisone shot last week. Whoa Nellie! This kid got two cortisone shots in a two week span and didn't even play basketball at all or have any physical activity to my knowledge. He just been making cameo appearances. I hope the Knicks medical staff told him to refrain from sex as a precaution.
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9/29/2008  11:29 PM
“toxic asset,”
Who will bail out the Knicks
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9/29/2008  11:30 PM
BornAgainBury.
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9/29/2008  11:31 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Just maybe, Starbury is the lone glimmer of hope that gives off enough light in a sea of darkness to make a difference this season. BTW, I'm praying for Ken Berger too. You need Jesus in your life, my man.

On another note, Gallinari got a second cortisone shot last week. Whoa Nellie! This kid got two cortisone shots in a two week span and didn't even play basketball at all or have any physical activity to my knowledge. He just been making cameo appearances. I hope the Knicks medical staff told him to refrain from sex as a precaution.

Can Jesus bail out the Knicks and remove "toxic assets"
If he can I will also pray
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9/29/2008  11:32 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

BornAgainBury.

BornAgainAndBuryKnicks


[Edited by - arkrud on 09-29-2008 11:32 PM]
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9/29/2008  11:34 PM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by nyk4ever:

BornAgainBury.

BornAgainAndBuryKnicks


[Edited by - arkrud on 09-29-2008 11:32 PM]

LOL
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9/30/2008  12:44 AM
“It’s been something every year,” Crawford said of the Knicks’ habitual turmoil. “So hopefully everything works itself out. It wears everybody out. It’s draining. It’s mentally draining. So you just hope the situation gets resolved.”

so good to know Marbury's not being a distraction this year... i'm so glad he hasn't been bought out yet... he's gonna be so valuable as an asset this season, i can feel it.
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9/30/2008  12:50 AM
Marbury is a convenient excuse for those losers. Marbury did not make them lose by 40+ points twice and get blown out countless times. Half the time he wasn't even near the team with his surgery. I hate Marbury very much but this is the easy way out for these gorup of complete losers. Who cares what they think?
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9/30/2008  12:59 AM
u gotta admit, what Jamal's saying is true tho... every year it's something w/Marbs & he's been nothing but a huge distraction ever since he got here... these guys like to play the blame game & there's no sense of accountability here, that's true, but a huge part of why that is is because Marbury help to create that type of culture in NY... he came here as the guy who was gonna turn this franchise around... so many hopes & expectations & he hailed himself even as the Prodigal Son who had finally returned home where he belonged... then everytime he had to answer his critics it was always someone else's fault, some system that didn't fit his skillset, some confusion over his role, some nonsense going on w/the head coach... always something different w/Marbs... u can't blame his teammates for being sick of his act.
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9/30/2008  1:09 AM
he needs a clean slate believe in Steph
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9/30/2008  1:27 AM
Crawford needs to look in the mirror. Marbury has actually played on teams with a winning record and made the playoffs. Jamal...never. Sometimes it isn't always the other guy, sometimes it's just you, bro. Every team he has been on has been horrible. That's a constant. Marbury is mentally challenged. What's Jamal's excuse?
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9/30/2008  1:45 AM
I think the team would be better of without Marbury regardless of the fact that he's talented. I guess I can understand Walsh wanting to give him a clean slate, but at some point I think Marbury will prove once again (as he has time and again before) that he's mostly a distraction that the team is better off without. I'm not bothered that much by Walsh wanting to give Marbury a clean slate as long as as soon as he acts up (again) he's either disciplined or bought out.
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9/30/2008  2:39 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Marbury is mentally challenged. What's Jamal's excuse?

Steph had Kevin Garnett as a teammate in Minny, Shawn Marion & Amare Stoudamire as teammates in Phoenix & Kenyon Martin & Keith Van Horn (back when both those guys were putting up stats) in Jersey... in Jamal's first season he played w/Elton Brand & Ron Artest but that was back when he had a very minimal role on that Bulls team as a rook... after Jamal became a regular starter in '03 who was he playing with? Eddy Curry, Kirk Hinrich & a buncha scrubs... ur not seriously trying to compare what he's had to play with w/what Steph's had the luxury of playing alongside over his career, are u?

i'm not excusing Jamal's play since he's been here but he hasn't been a distraction to the team the way Steph has, let's be real here... besides that Jamal has played better than Steph over the past few years.
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9/30/2008  2:44 AM
I was watching CBS News at 11 and the sports guy mentioned Marbury at camp. After he finished, he went back to the anchors and one of the anchors is like "just what we need to brighten up the sports year without the Mets or Yankees - the Knicks." Then the sports guy replied "the Knicks season is over already" and they all chuckled. Such is the state of the franchise.
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9/30/2008  10:29 AM
*sigh*

Well, at least the Giants are 3-0.
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9/30/2008  10:34 AM
Posted by K22:

*sigh*

Well, at least the Giants are 3-0.


and the jets 2-2
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9/30/2008  10:48 AM
This quote stood out to me among all the others in the article in the start of this thread.
“It doesn’t matter what you say, it doesn’t matter that you called me toxins and that you called me all of these different things,” Marbury told the reporter Ken Berger. “That’s what you got to live with. It’s not me, it’s you.

Good Lord.

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9/30/2008  10:54 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AvGKWGle2lq.zuXUUKABwAy8vLYF?slug=aw-knicks092908&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
Starbury causes friction for new Knicks regime
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports

GREENBURGH, N.Y. – They were sitting at tables scattered throughout the practice facility, the Knicks players trapped in a “Twilight Zone” episode. Together, they watched reporters and cameras listening to the narcissistic and irrational ramblings of Stephon Marbury. Somehow, the worst nightmare of Donnie Walsh and Mike D’Antoni played out on the eve of training camp.

Once more, Marbury was draining the spirit of hope and change out of the room, reducing a roster to re-channeling that old self-destructive and self-fulfilling Knicks vibe.

Here we go again, they had to think.


Nothing has changed.


Most of all, the new Knicks president and coach had discovered the hard truth of life with the New York Knicks: Narcissistic and irrational starts at the top with owner Jim Dolan. For all the millions of dollars he’s paid a long list of failed executives, coaches and players to go away, a league source says Dolan refuses to do it with the nearly $22 million owed to Marbury in the final year of his contract.

The last stand of Starbury promises to undermine everything that D’Antoni wants to instill in this training camp.

“They are not going to waive (Marbury),” a league source familiar with the situation said Monday. “That’s off the table right now. Dolan is still the rock star contrarian. Everyone is telling him this is the one he has to get rid of, the contract he has to dump, and he won’t do it. He’s still the rebel without a cause.

“Donnie didn’t want him at camp. Mike didn’t want him there. But he’s there.”

So, Walsh and D’Antoni would have to hear that Marbury promises there will be no negotiation of a buyout. He won’t take less money to leave. And truth be told: Why would he? On his way to Saratoga Springs for the start of training camp Tuesday, it had to make D’Antoni sick to hear Marbury talk with such a distorted, twisted view of the coach’s offensive system. Marbury sees the game through the lenses of a serial loser, a cynical and selfish destroyer of good moods and good chemistry.

“From what I’ve seen, he allowed Steve Nash to dribble the ball for 22 seconds,” Marbury said. “He allows guys to shoot coming down on the break, one-on-three. For me, I like that style of basketball.”


Marbury has never been so defiant. He’s bragging about losing 25 pounds – honoring Walsh’s instruction to get into the best shape of his life – but it’s clear he’s as erratic as ever. In his annual YouTube summer moment with Bruce Beck recently, Marbury’s goofball performance left little doubt with NBA executives that he’s as unstable as ever. When he returned to talk again Monday, he declared that, “Stephon Marbury TV.net is coming soon, where you can view all highlights, clips and in-depth interviews.”

Just what the world had been waiting on: Starbury on an endless loop. Eventually, he was in constant contradiction with reality and himself. One moment, he insisted that he no longer cared what anyone said about him, that his spiritual awakening – an annual epiphany – made him “pray” for those belittling his greatness. He cared so little, he called out one New York basketball writer, Newsday’s Ken Berger, for aptly describing Marbury as “toxic” in the paper this summer.

At the end of his session, Marbury climbed to his feet and wrapped a creeped-out Berger in the most inappropriate Knicks hug since Isiah and Anucha. Marbury kept saying, “I’m going to pray for you,” in this strange, suffocating clench. And then, he left his teammates behind in the gym and walked toward a curtain patrician leaping into the air and pumping his fists to no one but himself. Once more, Marbury disappeared into his own world.

Marbury doesn’t see himself the way that his teammates, and fans and rivals do. His presence brings everyone down. The Knicks sent him home a year ago, and told him to stay away. Dolan gave Isiah Thomas every contract buyout he wanted – Larry Brown and Lenny Wilkens, Jalen Rose and Maurice Taylor – and now Walsh and D’Antoni can’t get rid of Marbury.


Privately, the Knicks are waiting for an act of insubordination that would allow them to suspend and banish him away again. For the basketball staff, the best case scenario would be replicating what the Indiana Pacers have done with exiling Jamaal Tinsley. D’Antoni hated coaching for a brief time in his first season with the Suns, and knows it will only be worse once he installs Chris Duhon as his starting point guard.


Perhaps only then, the Knicks hope they could negotiate a buyout settlement with Marbury and let him re-sign elsewhere. Marbury has dared them to cut him. “Why would I take a buyout?” Marbury asked. “I have a contract.”


He’s right. Whatever he thinks, Marbury doesn’t have a lot of appealing options around the league. Most league executives had surmised Miami would consider him, but sources on Monday said Pat Riley was close to signing free-agent point guard Shaun Livingston to a two-year contract. Even at the veteran’s minimum, that will push the Heat into the luxury tax. Livingston isn’t expected to be cleared to play with that reconstructed knee until at least the second half of the season.


As for San Antonio, without Manu Ginobili for a couple months, forget it. Spurs coach Gregg Popovich had the worst summer of his basketball life with Marbury in the 2004 Olympic Games. He won’t touch him. Marbury is so desperate, he suggested that maybe the defending champion Boston Celtics might want him. Kevin Garnett would just as well jump off the Green Monster.


As the stock market crashed without a Washington bailout on Monday, there was less reason to believe that Dolan would change his mind and give his coach a chance to conduct a training camp cleansing in upstate New York. Donnie Walsh and Mike D’Antoni are desperate to start the long, hard process of repairing the years and years of damage done to the Knicks.

Only now, the rebel without a cause won’t get rid of the rebel without a clue. The new president and coach can’t change the roster overnight, but for starters they wanted to transform the climate of selfishness and negativity. Starbury goes to camp and promises to bring that relentless rain cloud with him.


As much as anything, the weary eyes of those Knicks watching as the circus returned to town told the truth: Here we go again.


this is sickening. dolan is the worst piece of trash in sports. what's the point of hiring donnie walsh and allowing him to write a check to mike d'antoni if you aren't going to let them do what they want to do.

i hate dolan. i hate marbury.


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9/30/2008  11:01 AM
As usual Jamal Crawford is saying all the right things, being the teams mouth piece.

Then he gets on the floor and takes terrible shots, plays zero defense is careless with the ball and says all the right thing after the games.

Losers always have excuses, winners get themselves ready regardless of the situation and play ball. Maybe Marbury is a big problem, clearly he is ignorant and dumb, saying his legacy is secure? But the Knicks handle things like amateurs. Walsh and Mike needed to say he is on the team speculation is only a problem when a role is not defined. They left this up in the air this is what happens.

This is no reason Roberson and Ewing Jr. Should be in camp, Malik Rose and Jerome James should be bought out. Eddy Curry's fat lazy ass should be suspended what kind ignorant mother ****er brings in this dump of **** and doesn't structure in his contract that either he reports in shape or he is fined. He has a bad heart no one wanted him so if you are giving him big money you need to add these things in the contract.

This organization is such a disgrace it's scary. Walsh I am sorry first round picks are valuable assets, but if you want to change the culture you get Zach off this team his value will never increase all he needs to do is get in trouble again or get injured and this team sucks for another four years. A first round pick is a gift to get rid of the guy and open things up to play the ball the D'Antoni likes with Lee, Chandler, Q, Crawford, Duhon, with Nate, Gallo, Eddy and Marbury off the bench. Who cares how many losses we compile the idea is to build everyones value not create a circus.
This is ridiculous: Marbury needs to go now

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