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Donnie Walsh: "I haven't accomplished anything."
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9/27/2008  2:05 PM
NEW YORK -- The pause between the question and Donnie Walsh's answer was so long, you actually began counting. Two seconds, three seconds, four …

What, Walsh had been asked, had been his biggest accomplishment of the offseason aside from hiring Mike D'Antoni as head coach?

Had this been a year ago, or even six months ago, when reporters covering the Knicks were making it a habit to count the amount of time that elapsed between their legitimate questions and the inevitable non-answers from Walsh's predecessor, something cryptic would have come out of the mouth of Isiah Thomas, leaving the question unanswered and the questioners scratching and shaking their heads.

Walsh, however, is different, and evasiveness has never been one of his strong suits.
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Attempts to deal Zach Randolph were thwarted when Marcus Camby proved a bigger draw for the Clippers.

So after pondering that particular question longer than he pondered any other Friday during a 45-minute meeting with reporters and columnists, Walsh spoke the truth:

"Um," he said before his prolonged pause, "I haven't accomplished anything. I had to think about that, but I haven't accomplished anything yet.

"But I haven't said I did either, except to form a plan, I guess, and I'm going by that plan. We're going to see what guys on this team we can keep, and what guys we can't."

Problem is, the Knicks and everyone else around the league have figured out that one of the guys Walsh cannot afford to keep is Zach Randolph, whose cap-killing $48 million contract runs through 2010-11 and will preclude the Knicks, if he cannot be traded, from clearing enough salary-cap space by the summer of 2010 to make a run at LeBron James should he opt out of his contract with Cleveland and become a free agent.

Walsh acknowledged speaking with two teams, the Los Angeles Clippers and Memphis Grizzlies, about a Randolph trade, but said the talks were more complicated than what was publicly reported, and that in neither case was there ever a deal on the table.

ESPN.com has learned that the Clippers were seeking Randolph, a first-round draft pick and cash, in return offering a pittance -- the opportunity to swap second-round picks, which is exactly what they ended up relinquishing to Denver in exchange for Marcus Camby. When the talks were in their infancy, the Knicks were of the belief that the Clippers could be talked down from their asking price, but the Clippers' deal with the Nuggets for Camby blindsided Walsh and forced him to turn his attention to the Grizzlies, with whom he discussed a swap involving Randolph, Darko Milicic and Marko Jaric.

"I still want to keep us free in the third year [of his tenure], so the people I would bring back are two-year guys, and I'm sure that cut down on the number of people I called," Walsh said.

Walsh disputed the notion that rival executives were treating him differently in terms of the legitimacy of their offers than they would have when he was running the Indiana Pacers, but he did betray some serious frustration with what he has been confronted with in his dealings with other teams.

"Look, if you call up the New York Knicks, and every trade, people call up and they say I want your first-round pick and $3 million and you're getting a lesser player than I'm getting. At some point, somebody's got to say 'I'm not going to do that.' Period."

And that, in large part, is why Walsh and D'Antoni will head off to training camp Tuesday with almost the exact same mix of players who underperformed their way to just 23 victories last season.

Gone are Fred Jones, an unrestricted free agent who was not offered a contract, and Renaldo Balkman, whom Walsh viewed as superfluous in a crowded frontcourt and was dealt to Denver for two players, Bobby Jones and Taurean Green, who were immediately cut.

The only prominent newcomers are rookie Danilo Gallinari, the sixth overall pick who will begin training camp on the sidelines while still recovering from a back injury he sustained on the first day of summer camp (one team insider said that Gallinari's injury is a major concern inside the front office, although Walsh specifically said Friday he had no long-term concerns), and Chris Duhon, who signed as a free agent expecting to supplant Stephon Marbury as the starter, only to learn this week that the buyout of Marbury that everyone expected to happen will in all likelihood not happen.

Walsh said Marbury has appeared to be in fantastic shape during informal workouts with teammates, and he said the mercurial guard -- like everyone else on the roster -- will begin camp with a clean slate no matter how many run-ins with teammates and former coaches he has been involved in.

Both Walsh and D'Antoni said center Eddy Curry did not report to the team in peak physical condition, and D'Antoni cautioned that when he sets his rotation of eight or nine players, the ones who will make it are the ones whose bodies can become accustomed to playing at the frantic pace he prefers. He singled out David Lee, Wilson Chandler and Jared Jeffries as players who have made the strongest positive impression on him during informal workouts, and he provided a little comic relief when someone asked whether Jerome James was one of the players who can perform at the high-octane pace he'll demand.

"Let me drink some water before answering that one," D'Antoni said before joking that maybe there was something stronger than H2O in his water bottle, soaking up the ensuing laughter to get away from directly answering the question.

James represents one of several signings and trades that went bust during the Thomas years, and the roster remains littered with players whose talents and contributions bear no correlation to their salaries on a franchise that once again will lead the NBA in payroll. Malik Rose can be included in that group, along with Jeffries, Quentin Richardson, Randolph, Curry and Marbury, a majority of whom will be gone by the time the real new beginning of this new beginning arrives in the summer of 2010. (Buyouts will apparently not be the way the new Knicks get rid of their problems. Walsh said he could not recall ever giving a buyout and is philosophically opposed to them, preferring to jettison his problems through trades.)

So until 2010, D'Antoni need only keep things interesting as Walsh endeavors to rotate out the old and speed up the influx of new. "I'm going to believe in nine or 10 guys, and they'll love me, and everyone else will hate me," he said.

Well, maybe not everyone. Especially in what will be a honeymoon season between Walsh, D'Antoni and Knicks fans, who are so fed up with a series of management teams that have kept the club from having any meaningful salary-cap space since the summer of 1996 that they're willing to sacrifice two more seasons just to complete the process of tearing down the old and bringing on the prospect of hope.

"He'll make it better than most coaches could right now. And with the right players, this guy will deliver," Walsh said of D'Antoni, who described the Knicks' 2007-08 season as a "death spiral."

But as Walsh learned this summer, the desire to change and the ability to change are two totally different things.

"To be honest with you, I thought maybe things would change, but [in] the NBA it takes two to tango, and a lot of times that doesn't happen," D'Antoni said. "But I do think at the end of the day we have a group of basketball players who can be a lot better than what they've shown. And that's my job -- to make them better than what they were. I don't know exactly who that group is, and over the next 30 days we'll find that out."

Beyond that, and until Walsh can find a way to actually execute his long-term plan of clearing cap space, the best we're going to get out of the new president and coach is what they delivered Friday -- enough positive thoughts to put lipstick on a pig, but also enough of a grip on reality to know that what they have is not what they want. In the meantime, they'll tread water with what they have and hold out hope that at some point down the road, someone will take Randolph (or Curry or Jeffries, three of the four players -- Jamal Crawford is the other -- the Knicks have on their books through 2011) off their hands.

Only then can the real rebuilding commence.

As Walsh put it: "If we can do the right thing managing our cap, a lot of players will want to play in New York."

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9/27/2008  2:51 PM
I really like what Donnie has done (or hasn't done) so far. I like the fact that Donnie has a plan and he's sticking to it. I like the fact that he hasn't given up our crap contracts for even worse ones, just to get guys that will fit MikeD's system. There's no reason to get fleeced on trades like Isiah did so many times just to get rid of Zach Randolph and/or anyone else. I liked the idea of Darko/Marko for Zach, but not if we were throwing in a 1st round pick, there is just no reason to do that, I don't care when the draft pick is, there's just no reason to do it, you can NOT throw away resources like that. I know I'm in the minority in that thinking, but I really do believe it and I think it's obvious that Donnie believes it as well.

One thing you will get with Donnie is that he is brutally honest and that is extremely refreshing after we've dealt with the snake in the grass, used car salesman for the last 5 years. I am on board with Donnie's plan of preaching patience and I think a year or two from now, every person on this board is going to be happy that Donnie and D'Antoni are here.
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9/27/2008  3:10 PM
Here's my list of things I really like about Donnie:
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9/27/2008  3:14 PM
Here's my list of things I really like about you:





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9/27/2008  3:24 PM
SO ****ing what the Clips were demanding 3 mil and a pick. They were offering us cap relief and a trade exemption and an early start to the house-cleaning process. Donnie is a moron for not pulling the trigger. Goodbye 2010.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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9/27/2008  3:28 PM
Donnie's old school all right. Too old. Doesn't know the cap game. Besides West and Thorn, all the good GMs are the young ones who were schooled in capology and not hung up on getting back equal talent. The value of cap space was the prize. Donnie's too old or stubborn or stupid to get it.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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9/27/2008  3:59 PM
Posted by kam77:

SO ****ing what the Clips were demanding 3 mil and a pick. They were offering us cap relief and a trade exemption and an early start to the house-cleaning process. Donnie is a moron for not pulling the trigger. Goodbye 2010.


Huh? You want to give ZBo and a 1st round pick for a swap of a 2nd rounder? Am I missing something here?
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9/27/2008  4:19 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Here's my list of things I really like about you:





So you like my smile and tongue?!

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9/27/2008  4:21 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by kam77:

SO ****ing what the Clips were demanding 3 mil and a pick. They were offering us cap relief and a trade exemption and an early start to the house-cleaning process. Donnie is a moron for not pulling the trigger. Goodbye 2010.


Huh? You want to give ZBo and a 1st round pick for a swap of a 2nd rounder? Am I missing something here?
Yes, how much more important cap space in 2010 is than a 1st rd pick in 2012
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9/27/2008  4:47 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Here's my list of things I really like about Donnie:

Yeah, exactly..

Fans to Walsh: "WE KNOW"




Don't worry though, this feel good PR by Walsh and MikeD, proclaiming everyone to be in awesome shape, all in perfect harmony with one another, reminding us that Walsh is respected throughout the league (that's gotta be worth 10 wins alone!) and that MikeD takes everyone and makes them as awesome as awesomess allows (that's gotta be worth at least another 10 wins!) has me just feeling all good and gushy inside.

Isiah Thomas' dream is going to take center stage before our eyes, fellas!!! *sheds tear*

The NBA has NO idea what it's in for!

LETS GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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9/29/2008  12:03 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by kam77:

SO ****ing what the Clips were demanding 3 mil and a pick. They were offering us cap relief and a trade exemption and an early start to the house-cleaning process. Donnie is a moron for not pulling the trigger. Goodbye 2010.


Huh? You want to give ZBo and a 1st round pick for a swap of a 2nd rounder? Am I missing something here?
Yes, how much more important cap space in 2010 is than a 1st rd pick in 2012

Bingo. AND to make things worse, we would've owned a pretty large trade exception since we were dealing Zach to a team with cap space. We could've turned that exception into a first round pick or two.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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9/29/2008  12:18 PM
Posted by kam77:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by kam77:

SO ****ing what the Clips were demanding 3 mil and a pick. They were offering us cap relief and a trade exemption and an early start to the house-cleaning process. Donnie is a moron for not pulling the trigger. Goodbye 2010.


Huh? You want to give ZBo and a 1st round pick for a swap of a 2nd rounder? Am I missing something here?
Yes, how much more important cap space in 2010 is than a 1st rd pick in 2012

Bingo. AND to make things worse, we would've owned a pretty large trade exception since we were dealing Zach to a team with cap space. We could've turned that exception into a first round pick or two.

What if that pick we traded turns out to be a number 2 or something like the Curry pick? And we don't land LeBron?

oohah

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9/29/2008  12:24 PM
Posted by kam77:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by kam77:

SO ****ing what the Clips were demanding 3 mil and a pick. They were offering us cap relief and a trade exemption and an early start to the house-cleaning process. Donnie is a moron for not pulling the trigger. Goodbye 2010.


Huh? You want to give ZBo and a 1st round pick for a swap of a 2nd rounder? Am I missing something here?
Yes, how much more important cap space in 2010 is than a 1st rd pick in 2012

Bingo. AND to make things worse, we would've owned a pretty large trade exception since we were dealing Zach to a team with cap space. We could've turned that exception into a first round pick or two.

the only thing a trade exception would have brought back is more long term salary, no? (if we used it) which kinda defeats the purpose of trading Zach.
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9/29/2008  12:33 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by kam77:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by kam77:

SO ****ing what the Clips were demanding 3 mil and a pick. They were offering us cap relief and a trade exemption and an early start to the house-cleaning process. Donnie is a moron for not pulling the trigger. Goodbye 2010.


Huh? You want to give ZBo and a 1st round pick for a swap of a 2nd rounder? Am I missing something here?
Yes, how much more important cap space in 2010 is than a 1st rd pick in 2012

Bingo. AND to make things worse, we would've owned a pretty large trade exception since we were dealing Zach to a team with cap space. We could've turned that exception into a first round pick or two.

the only thing a trade exception would have brought back is more long term salary, no? (if we used it) which kinda defeats the purpose of trading Zach.

We probably should have traded Gallo & Zach for relief and a second rounder, and not budged on the $3MM.

Hindsight is 20/20.
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9/29/2008  12:44 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by martin:
Posted by kam77:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by kam77:

SO ****ing what the Clips were demanding 3 mil and a pick. They were offering us cap relief and a trade exemption and an early start to the house-cleaning process. Donnie is a moron for not pulling the trigger. Goodbye 2010.


Huh? You want to give ZBo and a 1st round pick for a swap of a 2nd rounder? Am I missing something here?
Yes, how much more important cap space in 2010 is than a 1st rd pick in 2012

Bingo. AND to make things worse, we would've owned a pretty large trade exception since we were dealing Zach to a team with cap space. We could've turned that exception into a first round pick or two.

the only thing a trade exception would have brought back is more long term salary, no? (if we used it) which kinda defeats the purpose of trading Zach.

We probably should have traded Gallo & Zach for relief and a second rounder, and not budged on the $3MM.

Hindsight is 20/20.

IMHO that would have been the dumbest move ever.
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9/29/2008  1:02 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by kam77:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by kam77:

SO ****ing what the Clips were demanding 3 mil and a pick. They were offering us cap relief and a trade exemption and an early start to the house-cleaning process. Donnie is a moron for not pulling the trigger. Goodbye 2010.


Huh? You want to give ZBo and a 1st round pick for a swap of a 2nd rounder? Am I missing something here?
Yes, how much more important cap space in 2010 is than a 1st rd pick in 2012

Bingo. AND to make things worse, we would've owned a pretty large trade exception since we were dealing Zach to a team with cap space. We could've turned that exception into a first round pick or two.

What if that pick we traded turns out to be a number 2 or something like the Curry pick? And we don't land LeBron?

oohah
In the extremely rare event that there would be no protection on the pick, there are still several FAs available in 2010 who are better players than the average #2 pick turns out to be: Lebron James, Amare Stoudemire, Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, and probably other players who haven't even emerged yet.
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9/29/2008  1:06 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by kam77:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by kam77:

SO ****ing what the Clips were demanding 3 mil and a pick. They were offering us cap relief and a trade exemption and an early start to the house-cleaning process. Donnie is a moron for not pulling the trigger. Goodbye 2010.


Huh? You want to give ZBo and a 1st round pick for a swap of a 2nd rounder? Am I missing something here?
Yes, how much more important cap space in 2010 is than a 1st rd pick in 2012

Bingo. AND to make things worse, we would've owned a pretty large trade exception since we were dealing Zach to a team with cap space. We could've turned that exception into a first round pick or two.

the only thing a trade exception would have brought back is more long term salary, no? (if we used it) which kinda defeats the purpose of trading Zach.

I would've taken a two year salary (read: Camby or Darko) and a pick. Memphis would get immediate relief. We'd get a rental who'd help with Defense at the 5 spot. And a pick for the future.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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9/29/2008  1:07 PM
coming into camp with both zach and eddy should be considered a bad thing...
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9/29/2008  1:40 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by kam77:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by kam77:

SO ****ing what the Clips were demanding 3 mil and a pick. They were offering us cap relief and a trade exemption and an early start to the house-cleaning process. Donnie is a moron for not pulling the trigger. Goodbye 2010.


Huh? You want to give ZBo and a 1st round pick for a swap of a 2nd rounder? Am I missing something here?
Yes, how much more important cap space in 2010 is than a 1st rd pick in 2012

Bingo. AND to make things worse, we would've owned a pretty large trade exception since we were dealing Zach to a team with cap space. We could've turned that exception into a first round pick or two.

the only thing a trade exception would have brought back is more long term salary, no? (if we used it) which kinda defeats the purpose of trading Zach.

I get your point but they could've done what Presti with the Sonics, like with Kurt Thomas. Phoenix dumped him there for a first rounder. Then San Antonio wanted him and gave up a first rounder for him. Very smart, savvy. The Knicks could have used that exception to alleviate salary from teams that absolutely did not want to pay luxury tax for an asset or two, without sacrificing any long term flexibility (in theory).

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Yes, Walsh hasn't done anything yet. But I like that. A lot. I want Randolph gone and who would want Curry and I want Steph gone but it's hard when your owner is a moron... but considering impatience is what compounded error after error from Layden to Thomas, I'm okay. Because of those two's complete ineptitude, the day was coming where maybe the only way to improve would be to let the team's mistakes expire.

Thomas got a pass from many a Knick fan because Layden brought some garbage in. Well, Thomas certainly brought his fair share of garbage in. I'm not into swapping garbage for garbage; I'd rather just be rid of it. And it has been obvious for quite some time that the only way to improve this team will require the mistakes to expire, unless another team's GM takes a misstep or two, which is ridiculous to assume will happen.

[Edited by - supremecommander on 09-29-2008 1:42 PM]
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9/29/2008  1:47 PM
walsh is being patient. i'm fine with giving him time. there's a very real chance that ZBO looks better this year and teams are more desperate for low post scoring come february and in all likelihood, he'll be able to get a better offer. he has all next summer, too.

i wanted a clean slate with zach and marbury gone. however, waiting for the right deal for ZBO does not bother me. not cutting marbury before camp does bother me. i don't like having marbury anywhere near the new team. i will be extremely disappointed and disinterested with the team if marbury plays a regular season game as a knick.
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