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9/23/2008  9:50 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3605502

Pouring water on widespread speculation that the Knicks will waive Stephon Marbury, president Donnie Walsh said the controversial point guard will be with the team when it begins official workouts next week.

"He's coming to training camp," Walsh said of Marbury in a telephone interview Tuesday evening.

A newspaper report out of New York Tuesday morning said the Knicks are planning to waive Marbury by the end of the week. The move, which has been speculated about for months in the media, would eventually lead to a buyout of the $21.9 million Marbury is owed in the final year of his contract.

"This thing is initiated in the press and then I have to ask questions about it," Walsh said, sounding somewhat perturbed. "I haven't approached [Marbury] about a buyout."

When asked whether he's reached out to the point guard to alleviate concerns about his status with the team, Walsh said, "I talked to Stephon once and he seems OK about all of this."

Marbury is coming off the worst season of his 12-year career. He had a famous falling-out with his coach, president and one-time mentor Isiah Thomas, played in only 24 games because of injury, underwent surgery on his left ankle, and averaged career-lows in points (13.9), assists (4.7), rebounds (2.5) and minutes (33.6).

But at 31 years old, Marbury is still fairly young, and reports are that he spent the summer getting in the best shape he's been in in years.

Walsh also said former Knicks guard Allan Houston will probably join the team at training camp. He said Houston, 37, has been working out with the Knicks at their practice facility and that his shooting touch is as smooth as ever.

Walsh is going to meet with Houston on Wednesday to further discuss the situation. He would not guarantee Houston a spot on the roster, though.

"I don't know the answer to that," Walsh said, when asked whether Houston would definitely play for the Knicks this season. "But as far as putting the ball in the basket, he absolutely can still shoot. He has to be in more intense situations."

Houston, who averaged 17.3 points over his 12-year career, was forced to retire in 2005 because of an arthritic left knee. He returned briefly last season before bowing out during the Knicks training camp.

Walsh said it will be different this time around.

"In that case, he hadn't worked out that much," Walsh said. "He just came in and started playing. Now, he feels like he's in better position to go out and play. I accept that."

The question is will New York still accept Marbury.
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9/23/2008  9:54 PM
Damn ****-tease NY media. Hahn is becoming unreliable.
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9/23/2008  10:41 PM
Oh well! I guess we'll have to see Steph again after all.
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9/23/2008  11:11 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

Damn ****-tease NY media. Hahn is becoming unreliable.


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9/23/2008  11:15 PM
I guess Donnie Wahlberg is smart after all.

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9/23/2008  11:19 PM
Maybe Dolan was the one who said he wants no part of a buy-out. Now Donnie's scrabbling to cover it all up, saying he has no idea where the story came from. Just a thought....
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9/23/2008  11:37 PM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by GKFv2:

Damn ****-tease NY media. Hahn is becoming unreliable.


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9/23/2008  11:43 PM
Posted by oohah:

I guess Donnie Wahlberg is smart after all.

oohah

How so?

Passed on probably the best deal one could get for a disaster in Zach Randolph (Clipper deal).
Welcomes Marbury, Malik, and James to training camp.
Signs trash like Duhon, Roberson, Ewing JR, and Houston.

Apparently Walsh sees no value in allowing the kids on the team to grow.
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9/24/2008  12:01 AM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by oohah:

I guess Donnie Wahlberg is smart after all.

oohah

How so?

Passed on probably the best deal one could get for a disaster in Zach Randolph (Clipper deal).
Welcomes Marbury, Malik, and James to training camp.
Signs trash like Duhon, Roberson, Ewing JR, and Houston.

Apparently Walsh sees no value in allowing the kids on the team to grow.

Read knicks1248's post here: http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=28204&page=2

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9/24/2008  7:28 AM
Posted by Finestrg:

Maybe Dolan was the one who said he wants no part of a buy-out. Now Donnie's scrabbling to cover it all up, saying he has no idea where the story came from. Just a thought....

there must be more to this story. where the unnamed source said walsh hoped to have it done this week, but needed to first clear with dolan.
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9/24/2008  8:01 AM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by Finestrg:

Maybe Dolan was the one who said he wants no part of a buy-out. Now Donnie's scrabbling to cover it all up, saying he has no idea where the story came from. Just a thought....

there must be more to this story. where the unnamed source said walsh hoped to have it done this week, but needed to first clear with dolan.

Or...or... Alan Hahn is becoming a real douchebag. My money is on the douchebag part.
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9/24/2008  8:31 AM
I think having Marbury at camp is the best thing that can happen. I think we finally have a coach that will harness Marbury's skills. I still think he has to go but don't just buy him out to go play for someone else. Let him play for us and we can trade him at the deadline to a contender depending on how the season goes for us.

I don't know about you guys but I think this season is going to be different for the Knicks. I think they brought in the right coach for this team. The team never played defense so at least we now have a coach that will bring out the best in them offensively.
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9/24/2008  9:28 AM
I think Dolan is hell bent on not paying a player to go off and return in any capacity to drop dimes and assists on us.

While not long term logical, I can see his point. You don't give your gun up to get shot back with it.

Our youth is primarily in the front court for now and Im ok with his minutes as it won't eat into the bigs. If anyone it eats Qrich minutes at the 2.
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9/24/2008  9:47 AM
Posted by Nalod:

I think Dolan is hell bent on not paying a player to go off and return in any capacity to drop dimes and assists on us.

While not long term logical, I can see his point. You don't give your gun up to get shot back with it.

Our youth is primarily in the front court for now and Im ok with his minutes as it won't eat into the bigs. If anyone it eats Qrich minutes at the 2.

So can we throw out this theory that Donnie is really running the ship? As I stated in another thread, Dolan is the X factor. The fact that they haven't waive James at this point should be the best indicator. Trying to get him to retire so the Knicks can get back money is for the owner benefit and nothing else. Dolan you sly dog, I thought you would wait until January to flex your muscles. I can't wait for "we had to make these moves to get to the playoffs but I am still in control" reasons for trades this year from Donnie.
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9/24/2008  9:55 AM
We need to waive Roberson, cut James, and let Malik just relax at home. Houston serves no purpose except being a good influence. I think you hang onto Marbury and use him that the deadline if he is playing well someone may take a flyer on him for the second half of the season.
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9/24/2008  9:58 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Nalod:

I think Dolan is hell bent on not paying a player to go off and return in any capacity to drop dimes and assists on us.

While not long term logical, I can see his point. You don't give your gun up to get shot back with it.

Our youth is primarily in the front court for now and Im ok with his minutes as it won't eat into the bigs. If anyone it eats Qrich minutes at the 2.

So can we throw out this theory that Donnie is really running the ship? As I stated in another thread, Dolan is the X factor. The fact that they haven't waive James at this point should be the best indicator. Trying to get him to retire so the Knicks can get back money is for the owner benefit and nothing else. Dolan you sly dog, I thought you would wait until January to flex your muscles. I can't wait for "we had to make these moves to get to the playoffs but I am still in control" reasons for trades this year from Donnie.
I think Dolan is out of the day-to-day running of the Knicks. But as any chief exec, he has the right to approve or disapprove a $21 million buyout. This could be just posturing; or waiting to see what D'A can do; or going to trade Marbury but show that we aren't under duress. We are just starting training camp. No rush. I'll wait and see how this works out.

There is no need to buy-out JJ1 now - we need him to retire under the medical exemption so his salary comes off of the books. hen no luxury tax. Talks with him have been underway since last year. The critical date when this has to be done is by the start of the season when we need to be down to 15 players.

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9/24/2008  10:17 AM
Posted by Markji:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Nalod:

I think Dolan is hell bent on not paying a player to go off and return in any capacity to drop dimes and assists on us.

While not long term logical, I can see his point. You don't give your gun up to get shot back with it.

Our youth is primarily in the front court for now and Im ok with his minutes as it won't eat into the bigs. If anyone it eats Qrich minutes at the 2.

So can we throw out this theory that Donnie is really running the ship? As I stated in another thread, Dolan is the X factor. The fact that they haven't waive James at this point should be the best indicator. Trying to get him to retire so the Knicks can get back money is for the owner benefit and nothing else. Dolan you sly dog, I thought you would wait until January to flex your muscles. I can't wait for "we had to make these moves to get to the playoffs but I am still in control" reasons for trades this year from Donnie.
I think Dolan is out of the day-to-day running of the Knicks. But as any chief exec, he has the right to approve or disapprove a $21 million buyout. This could be just posturing; or waiting to see what D'A can do; or going to trade Marbury but show that we aren't under duress. We are just starting training camp. No rush. I'll wait and see how this works out.

There is no need to buy-out JJ1 now - we need him to retire under the medical exemption so his salary comes off of the books. hen no luxury tax. Talks with him have been underway since last year. The critical date when this has to be done is by the start of the season when we need to be down to 15 players.

What is day-to-day? Deciding which uniforms to wear? Donnie tried to give the media the impression that he was running the show but it's not true. He didn't allow Thomas, Layden or Checketts to that there is no way he is going to allow Walsh. Now there is talk of Hoston going into the front office. From my knowledge Donnie dosen't have any relationship with Houston. The only one that does is Dolan. The reason why Ewing isn't nowhere near the organization is because of his falling out with Dolan.
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9/24/2008  10:31 AM
Posted by JonsTintedTails:

I think having Marbury at camp is the best thing that can happen. I think we finally have a coach that will harness Marbury's skills....


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9/24/2008  10:53 AM
"There wouldn't be no negotiation," Marbury said. "They're going to give me all my money. ... If they want to waive me and give me all my money, fine. If not, I'll try to help this organization win the championship. They told me to come to camp in the best shape of my life and I did that. But I don't want to be in a place I'm not wanted."
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9/24/2008  11:09 AM
Posted by Markji:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Markji:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Nalod:

I think Dolan is hell bent on not paying a player to go off and return in any capacity to drop dimes and assists on us.

While not long term logical, I can see his point. You don't give your gun up to get shot back with it.

Our youth is primarily in the front court for now and Im ok with his minutes as it won't eat into the bigs. If anyone it eats Qrich minutes at the 2.

So can we throw out this theory that Donnie is really running the ship? As I stated in another thread, Dolan is the X factor. The fact that they haven't waive James at this point should be the best indicator. Trying to get him to retire so the Knicks can get back money is for the owner benefit and nothing else. Dolan you sly dog, I thought you would wait until January to flex your muscles. I can't wait for "we had to make these moves to get to the playoffs but I am still in control" reasons for trades this year from Donnie.
I think Dolan is out of the day-to-day running of the Knicks. But as any chief exec, he has the right to approve or disapprove a $21 million buyout. This could be just posturing; or waiting to see what D'A can do; or going to trade Marbury but show that we aren't under duress. We are just starting training camp. No rush. I'll wait and see how this works out.

There is no need to buy-out JJ1 now - we need him to retire under the medical exemption so his salary comes off of the books. hen no luxury tax. Talks with him have been underway since last year. The critical date when this has to be done is by the start of the season when we need to be down to 15 players.

What is day-to-day? Deciding which uniforms to wear? Donnie tried to give the media the impression that he was running the show but it's not true. He didn't allow Thomas, Layden or Checketts to that there is no way he is going to allow Walsh. Now there is talk of Hoston going into the front office. From my knowledge Donnie dosen't have any relationship with Houston. The only one that does is Dolan. The reason why Ewing isn't nowhere near the organization is because of his falling out with Dolan.
Day to Day means ..well, day to day.
Donnie has control over the operations but Dolan as head has to approve major decisions and the direction the team takes. I don't think this is so hard to understand.

But Marbury has "screwed the pooch" once again. Today's Knicks Fix by Alan Hahn.[quote]Marbury: 'They're going to give me all my money'

I spoke with a few agents yesterday about the buyout process. One said usually a fair buyout agreement is around 75 percent of the player's salary. So if Marbury is due $21.9 million, these agents suggest a $16.5 million settlement could be agreeable.

But that's generally because the player believes he can make up the lost 25 percent as a free agent. Marbury knows the best he will get at this point is the veteran's min ($1.3 million) or the bi-annual ($1.9 million). He still loses about $4 million in this deal and he more than anyone is well aware that the Knicks are not a charity case.

But they are a team that has little interest in including Marbury in the plans going forward, regardless of his physical condition. So, Fixers, this story is only just beginning.
Obviously, the Knicks are NOT going to buy out Marbs at full salary. This isn't Dolan's fault, at least it doesn't appear to be. It's Marbs acting like Marbs! So now the crazy, convoluted negotiations will begin.


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Knicks president says Marbury will be at camp (ESPN article)

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