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Draft Watch: Rubio's hot, Collison's not
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mattshaw78
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9/22/2008  1:37 PM
NBA scouts continue to offer dire warnings about the NBA draft class of 2009. After two stellar years, thanks to amazing college freshman classes, a draft drought may be on the way.



"Even if you assume everyone declares for the draft next June," one longtime NBA executive said, "you'll struggle to find much star power or depth next year. My scouts are walking around depressed already and it's September."



Sometimes things change over the course of the college basketball season, but scouts walked away from a number of summer events convinced that the NBA draft pool is in recession.



Still, a few players helped themselves this summer, whether it was playing for their national teams at the 2008 Olympics in Beijing or working as camp counselors at LeBron James' annual summer camp in Akron, Ohio.



Here's who's hot and who's not, according to a handful of NBA scouts:




Hot


Ricky Rubio, PG, Spain
Rubio's solid, and sometimes dazzling, play in Beijing had scouts buzzing. It's not everyday you see a 17-year-old play a critical role on the silver-medal team at the Olympics. His defensive presence was critical to Spain's success in the tournament. NBA players also raved about Rubio's poise and basketball IQ.



If he produces in the Euroleague this season, he seems like a lock for the top 5 and a possible candidate for the No. 1 pick in the draft.



Jerome Jordan, C, Tulsa
Jordan was the hot name at the LeBron James Skills Academy in July. NBA scouts are always looking for big guys with a pulse, and Jordan showed scintillating potential here. Consistently matched up against potential lottery prospect Hasheem Thabeet, Jordan stole the show.



While his two-year numbers at Tulsa don't blow you away, Jordan did seem to turn it on late last season. He is still somewhat raw offensively, but he is a proven rebounder and shot-blocker. If he can continue to perfect the little jump hook he showed off at LeBron's camp, he could move into the top 10 this season -- the same way big-men projects seem to do every year.



James Harden, SG, Arizona State
Harden was the other player who seemed to really stand out at LeBron's camp. While he didn't have the buzz of other Pac-10 freshmen like O.J. Mayo and Kevin Love last season, Harden actually walked away with Pac-10 Freshman of the Year honors.



Scouts have questioned his athleticism, but they are beginning to hedge a bit after Harden showed off some hops and quickness that they didn't see his freshman year.



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Speedy Patrick Mills gave Chris Paul and Deron Williams all they could handle.
Patrick Mills, PG, St. Mary's
Mills played for the Australian national team in the Olympics and gave Team USA fits with his quickness. Chris Paul and Deron Williams both had a difficult time guarding him. Mills ended up leading Australia with 20 points in its quarterfinal loss to Team USA. His performance was enough for scouts to start buzzing about his potential to be a mid-first-round pick.



B.J. Mullens, C, Ohio State
Mullens didn't play in the Olympics or at LeBron's camp, but as NBA scouts have scoured footage this summer, more and more are saying that the Buckeyes' freshman is the odds-on favorite to be the No. 1 pick in the 2009 draft.



"You look at his size, his athleticism and his skill level and he's the guy, more than anyone else in this draft, that stands out," one NBA scout said. "If anyone in this draft has the potential to be a dominant NBA player, it's him. I'm not saying he'll get there. He's got a lot to work on. The NBA always has had a love affair with big guys and no big guy in the draft has the potential of Mullens. If I was a betting man, I'd say he goes No. 1."



I know it is ridiculously early to be talking about this, but I'm actually fairly persuaded by their arguments. If you look at the potential five worst teams in the league -- the Nets, Knicks, Thunder, Grizzlies and Timberwolves -- all of them need a prime-time center. Only two of them, the Knicks and Timberwolves, are really in the market for a point guard.



Blake Griffin will also get some love for the top spot, but the more you think about it, Mullens is the guy if he performs. Of course, that's a big if. Last year some scouts were saying similar things about DeAndre Jordan, who slipped into the second round on draft night.




Not



Austin Daye, SF, Gonzaga
Daye got a huge scare when he hurt himself in LeBron's camp. Originally, reports were that he tore his ACL; however, ESPN.com's Andy Katz reported that Daye was told by doctors at UCLA that he had a bone bruise and a minor, low-grade tear that wouldn't require surgery.



While Gonzaga coaches are saying Daye is ready to start playing again, the loss of a summer to work on his game could have an impact on his development. Combine that with the lackluster performance he was having at the camp before the injury and scouts are no longer banking on him as a high lottery pick next year.



Hasheem Thabeet, C, UConn
Thabeet has the combination of size and athleticism that NBA scouts dream about. He's also an elite shot-blocker who could step in immediately and change the game on the defensive end of the floor. But his development on the offensive end continues to be slow. Scouts thought he was outplayed, at times badly, by Jerome Jordan at LeBron's camp.



Given his size and his potential, along with the relative weakness of this year's draft class, Thabeet still projects as a top-10 prospect. However, more and more scouts are wondering aloud if he deserves to go that high.



Darren Collison, PG, UCLA
Collison's decision to skip the 2008 draft shocked practically everyone. At the time, he already had three years of college under his belt and UCLA was bringing in a loaded freshman class led by super stud Jrue Holiday and Malcolm Lee.

Now, heading into the college season, I'm hearing whispers out of UCLA that Holiday is so good that it won't be long before he, not Collison, is running the offense at UCLA. I'd expect them to get significant time together in the backcourt, but if Holiday is as good as advertised, Collison could suffer from the comparisons and slip in the draft -- the same way he did when compared to Russell Westbrook last season.
Chad Ford covers the NBA for ESPN Insider.
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9/22/2008  3:37 PM
I don't know who made this sht up but I have seen Thabeet in person twice this summer and people will be shocked by his offensive imporvement. He was already a pro NBA player in terms of defense and rebounding but I think some people will be shocked when he starts putting up 30 points a game here and there next season. He will average close to 20.
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9/22/2008  3:42 PM
Briggs: I think a lot of these articles are based on nothing. These guys don't really see these players play. I've seen it first hand in CT a couple times where writers write about how a player has improved in practice, and the guy hadn't even gotten on campus yet.

I haven't been around Uconn a lot this year and haven't seen him play. But the people I know that have been around say similar things that you are saying. They say his offensive game(most notably hands and strength) have improved noticeably.
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9/22/2008  3:49 PM
I like Ricky Rubio, but maybe what I saw was not representative of his abilities because he was deferring to Gasol, Fernandez etc.

What I am saying is that I think they are overrating this kid. He may have lottery talent (I have not seen it.), but it looks like the "gurus" are trying to paint him the consensus number one, and I haven't seen anything that warrants that.

Can anybody post some clips?

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9/22/2008  4:00 PM
BJ Mullens is gonna be a trouble. The kid can do the between the legs dunk. I know he's 7ft but if nobody told you he was you would be amazed. You guys seen his youtube clips.....I'm anxious to see this kid play for ohio st.

Rubio is very scary. Only thing stopping him is injury and himself. He looked the nba's best point guards in the face and said **** you in Spanish.....at 17 years old. He's special.

Drought? Please......just a case of nobody has nothing to say syndrome.

2010......maybe we should all forget about Lebron.....and just pray for this guy:



Lance Stevenson could seriously start on any team in the world right now....well actually he could have done that the last 3 years. His build is comparible to Lebron. He reminds me of a young Antoine Walker with his handle and shooting form. If you didn't already know.....this kid is really Brooklyns King.
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9/22/2008  4:08 PM
Posted by oohah:

I like Ricky Rubio, but maybe what I saw was not representative of his abilities because he was deferring to Gasol, Fernandez etc.

What I am saying is that I think they are overrating this kid. He may have lottery talent (I have not seen it.), but it looks like the "gurus" are trying to paint him the consensus number one, and I haven't seen anything that warrants that.

Can anybody post some clips?

oohah

Are you kiding me? Who needs to post clips? Didn't you catch the kid in olympic play? I'm not 30 yet and I have a habit of calling guys in their 20's kids.......this guy rubio is 17 freakin years old. He's special whew baby.
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9/22/2008  4:40 PM
Are you kiding me? Who needs to post clips? Didn't you catch the kid in olympic play? I'm not 30 yet and I have a habit of calling guys in their 20's kids.......this guy rubio is 17 freakin years old. He's special whew baby.

I'm not kidding you. He looked nice. He played with poise. Other than that I didn't see himm tear anyone's ass, take over, or anything like that. But if I missed it please tell me what I missed. Also I think it would be a mistake to base your entire opinion on him by the Olympics or one game in the Olympics. Big Baby Gasol looked like a star center in the Olympics. Navvaro looked like an all-star, much better than Rubio in my opinion. It also did not hurt that Rubio was surrounded by experienced NBA talent and Euro-stars.

I'm not saying Rubio is bad, but I would like to see what he can really do when he is "the guy", just like with Gallo or Tony Parker clips. (Whose to say he was better than Parker at the same age? Parker was pro at 14.) I just didn't see what makes him a number one pick. Di you?

Compare Rubio to Kenny Anderson or Marbury at the same age. Those guys were playing with pros and looking like full on NBA stars in the making at the same age. Felipe Lopez too. Same with a lot of players.

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9/22/2008  5:10 PM
Posted by oohah:
Are you kiding me? Who needs to post clips? Didn't you catch the kid in olympic play? I'm not 30 yet and I have a habit of calling guys in their 20's kids.......this guy rubio is 17 freakin years old. He's special whew baby.

I'm not kidding you. He looked nice. He played with poise. Other than that I didn't see himm tear anyone's ass, take over, or anything like that. But if I missed it please tell me what I missed. Also I think it would be a mistake to base your entire opinion on him by the Olympics or one game in the Olympics. Big Baby Gasol looked like a star center in the Olympics. Navvaro looked like an all-star, much better than Rubio in my opinion. It also did not hurt that Rubio was surrounded by experienced NBA talent and Euro-stars.

I'm not saying Rubio is bad, but I would like to see what he can really do when he is "the guy", just like with Gallo or Tony Parker clips. (Whose to say he was better than Parker at the same age? Parker was pro at 14.) I just didn't see what makes him a number one pick. Di you?

Compare Rubio to Kenny Anderson or Marbury at the same age. Those guys were playing with pros and looking like full on NBA stars in the making at the same age. Felipe Lopez too. Same with a lot of players.

oohah

True true.....

I can't explain really. I can use adjectives like slick and poised, but that doesn't really say much. He looked and played like a seasoned veteran. I didn't know he was 17 years old till after the gold game. I saw him play the whole tourney. I'd have to say though that he was just as good as deron and paul.....deron showed flashes of ball handling dominance but neither player really did anything special either. Rubio was on par with them and showed some brilliant flashes at times as well. Its just sick to see that type of poise at 17 years old man whew.
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9/22/2008  6:11 PM
Rubio has the court vision that the great passing point guards have. He does need to get stronger and improve his jump shot. He's not there yet, but I think there's a good chance that he'll be a great one. I also like DeRozan and Mullens. If we get any of those three, I'll be very happy.
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9/22/2008  6:16 PM
I can't explain really. I can use adjectives like slick and poised, but that doesn't really say much. He looked and played like a seasoned veteran. I didn't know he was 17 years old till after the gold game. I saw him play the whole tourney. I'd have to say though that he was just as good as deron and paul.....deron showed flashes of ball handling dominance but neither player really did anything special either. Rubio was on par with them and showed some brilliant flashes at times as well. Its just sick to see that type of poise at 17 years old man whew.

The guy who impressed the crap out of me was Rudy Fernandez. He really can be the next Ginobli or a player in that vein. He was athletic, his shot was crazy, he had a handle like an NYC PG, and he got nasty with the slams, especially when he hooked it on Dwight Howard skull-piece.

I would trade Galinari for Fernandez right now from what I have seen.

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Its just sick to see that type of poise at 17 years old man whew.

It's because Rubio has been playing with men, learning the game and earning his stripes the hard way. Unlike our AAU style, "give the ball to the talented kid and get out of the way" system of developing our youth.

At the same time, it will be interesting to see if Rubio can be as effective with the physical freaks of the NBA when he gets here.

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[Edited by - oohah on 22-09-2008 8:01 PM]
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9/22/2008  7:30 PM
Rudy Fernandez is right there with Brandon Roy.....but Rudy is gonna start his career on the bench. Lets see how long that lasts. He is the real deal. I can't believe nobody scooped him up and he's gotta rot next to Sergio Rodriguez. Hopefully not.
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I know somehow the Knicks will miss out on these guys but I pray for one of these guys. I don't care if they fit D'Antoni system or not. These guys can play.

1) Thabeet (he should dominate the Big East this year)
2) Jennings (I don't care what he does in the EL, I just know he can play)
3) Budinger (this kid should have stayed in the draft this year. I take him over Crawford anyday).
4) Rubio (love what I saw in the Olympics, this guy will make the game very easy and so quick)
5) Derozan (This kid is one and done. I have a hard time choosing between him and Budinger. Chase is ready to play right now but Derozan is a freak).

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9/23/2008  1:00 PM
for d'antoni's system, the point is absolutely the most important position. rubio as a 17-year-old in the gold medal game getting D'ed up by kidd, CP3, and deron williams w/ the starter out did incredibly well. the guy has insane skills, i absolutely think he should be the #1 target for the 09 draft. he would flourish for sure in this system. rubio is like jeter, maybe his #'s don't jump off the page but he plays with such poise and just looks like a winner.
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9/23/2008  1:26 PM
watch this kid run the floor, he's like a new age, spanish version of j-kidd.





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