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EnySpree
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9/21/2008  11:15 PM
"Stuck"?

He's a proven 20/10 guy that's 25 years old......he gave us 17/10 on a team that brought him to NY for no apparent reason and tried to make him a bench player? defer to Curry? The dude was still a good player for us.....too bad the Knicks team as a whole sucked.....it wasn't just Zach cuz the Knicks were bad without Zach.

Anyway, **** the media and the rest of the league.....we have offensive genius Mike D'antoni here in NY.....Knicks should be able to function and find a way to win more than lose.

I say we stand behind our players. Zach isn't Marbury. I think the dude, and some of the better guys on the team need to be given a chance. They will be coached this year and the team will have a focus and a game plan. Nobody can say Zach gave up. Zach and Craw....two guys a lot of "fans" bash....both brought it just as much as golden boy David Lee did. Stop living in the past and see the present reality.

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[Edited by - enyspree on 22-09-2008 12:02 AM]
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9/21/2008  11:17 PM
Fair enough. I'll root for Zach too-
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9/21/2008  11:45 PM
only thing that worry's me is zach giving up the ball, but i've seen him make some nice passes so i'm confident.
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9/21/2008  11:56 PM
Posted by daddynel:

only thing that worry's me is zach giving up the ball, but i've seen him make some nice passes so i'm confident.

Craw and Zach were asked to do it all.....seriously though....did the Knicks run a play in 3 seasons? This won't be happening with D'antoni. That ball wil be working around cuz of the style of play......."style of play".....whew.....regardless if the players can sucseed in it...tell me it wouldn't be awesome to see a "style of play" with our Knicks.....truthfully? Only Curry should have a problem with a wide open offense.....**** him.
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9/21/2008  11:58 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

"Stuck"?

He's a proven 20/10 guy that's 25 years old......he gave us 17/10 on a team that couldn't brought him to NY for no apparent reason and tried to make him a bench player? defer to Curry? The dude was still a good player for us.....too mad the Knicks team as a whole sucked.....it wasn't just Zach cuz the Knicks were bad without Zach.

Anyway, **** the media and the rest of the league.....we have offensive genius Mike D'antoni here in NY.....Knicks should be able to function and find a way to win more than lose.

I say we stand behind out players. Zach isn't Marbury. I think the dude, and some of the better guys on the team need to be given a chance. They will be coached this year and the team will have a focus and a game plan.

Go Knicks!


I wouldnt focus on 20-10 and trying to raise Zach's value--rather I think I would put him in best position for the team. If anyone remembers he played very well for Portland off the bench early in his career. I think starting David Lee with Curry is the best thing for the team.

Are we going to keep Marbury even with only 1 PG? Looks like no??? so maybe 9 man rotation



C-Curry
F-Lee
F Chandler
G Crawford
G Duhon
F Randolph
F Gallinari
G Q Rich
G Nate
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9/22/2008  12:01 AM
Stand behind a bunch of losers? No. Not me, not ever. Not rooting for a bunch of losers that disgrace the jersey.
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9/22/2008  12:01 AM
You know the thing that really bothers me. Marbury is still the best player on this team. You can say what you want about him but it is the truth. The only other player to have more playoff experience than Marbury on this team is Malik. That's crazy. This team is a long way off.
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9/22/2008  12:33 AM
how 'bout babysteps. at least zach can knock down shots. what exactly can fishlips do in mike's system? fishlips for snow...pure salary dump that would help alot in 2010.
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9/22/2008  12:49 AM
Posted by daddynel:

how 'bout babysteps. at least zach can knock down shots. what exactly can fishlips do in mike's system? fishlips for snow...pure salary dump that would help alot in 2010.

It sounds like Walsh and D'Antoni have plans for JJ2. They believe he will work very well in D'Antoni's system. Don't know about that but doesn't appear to be the odd guy out. I think right now, it's Malik, James and Marbury. Makes sense why they didn't bother to show up to the "voluntary" workouts.
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9/22/2008  12:53 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by daddynel:

how 'bout babysteps. at least zach can knock down shots. what exactly can fishlips do in mike's system? fishlips for snow...pure salary dump that would help alot in 2010.

It sounds like Walsh and D'Antoni have plans for JJ2. They believe he will work very well in D'Antoni's system. Don't know about that but doesn't appear to be the odd guy out. I think right now, it's Malik, James and Marbury. Makes sense why they didn't bother to show up to the "voluntary" workouts.
would'nt mind seeing those guys gone, particularly james, but for the long run jj2 would be the smart choice to move. plus he has NO offense.
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9/22/2008  1:12 AM
Posted by GKFv2:

Stand behind a bunch of losers? No. Not me, not ever. Not rooting for a bunch of losers that disgrace the jersey.

I don't think anyone should carry a perception of a team from one season to the next. Each season is it's own separate thing. What they do this year won't be a continuation from last year. I'm not happy that Zach is still here, but I don't hate on the guy either. I think that just about any player can succeed in the right circumstances and the guy does produce. If we can actually coach the guy this year as opposed to whatever Isiah was doing last year, then I think we'll be able to do OK with him here.

The question is just how we'd use him. We likely won't see him in the SL together with Curry. If not then how do we deal with the idea of a player on his level coming off the bench? I don't have any doubt that he'll pass the ball and probably take better shots, but how can we survive with him and Curry in the lineup at the same time? They're just too slow for an up tempo team.

Has Mike ever played two plodders on the floor at the same time before? I just can't see him being happy with a Zach/Curry SL.

Duhon, Jamal, Chan, Lee, Curry - Zach, Nate, Jared & Q
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9/22/2008  1:39 AM
1 season? These are the same losers we saw last year. There wont be much of a difference this year.

I'm sorry but these guys are not the New York Knicks. They are simply not. They stand for everything that is wrong with the New York Knicks, which is why I will watch very few games this season and only look at the box score to see if Gallinari played. That's it. Guys like Curry are a disgrace to Oakley's number and Marbury a disgrace to Starks's number. Zach, Crawford, Jeffries, James, and whatever else - these guys aren't what the Knicks are supposed to be and represent. Let's stop making excuses about the coach. Isiah Thomas blew ass but they didn't do anything under Lenny, Herb, or Larry either. D'Antoni can get them to score more but that's about it. A few extra wins. Maybe they even get 30-33. Yay.

I understand the team is rebuilding and I accept that but nobody can tell me to root for something that I cannot. I root for the jersey and the logo and not the current morons in it. Unfortunately those morons have made me dislike them to much that I cannot even follow my own team. I don't like being like this. I want to watch games and watch us do well but not this team. Not this ANTI-team. This isn't what NY is about. It's damn well not what the Knicks are about. And anyone who has followed them all these years knows that.

I will be patient and I have hope for the future and for 2010. But right now these are just garbage seasons with garbage players(save for a few guys). Nothing more, nothing less.
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9/22/2008  1:53 AM
I understand your frustration it's been a tough period for all Knicks fans. My view is that this is another opportunity to get things right for many of the players we have. I look forward to seeing Chandler and Gallo play. I actually am curious to see what Mike can do with Duhon, Nate and Jamal.

It's my opinion that a coach can make a big difference if you're talking about going from a coach that just didn't even care in LB or was too scared to lose his job in Isiah. Don't bring up Lenny cuz that's a completely different team from this one. The thing is that LB didn't like any of the players and it showed. isiah brought in these guys and then gave up on them. He was too scared to stick to his guns and try to run this team the right way. He had a chance to go after a Shotblocker and a Shooter and instead he brought in Zach and totally screwed the pooch on that one. He didn't even have a plan for how to use the guy.

NOW I like Waltoni and I think they're fired up to get the job done. I like some of the young players on this team and I think they'll have a better chance to succeed and form the building blocks of this future team. It's not just about this season, but the next few seasons.
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9/22/2008  2:43 AM
Posted by nixluva:

I understand your frustration it's been a tough period for all Knicks fans. My view is that this is another opportunity to get things right for many of the players we have. I look forward to seeing Chandler and Gallo play. I actually am curious to see what Mike can do with Duhon, Nate and Jamal.

It's my opinion that a coach can make a big difference if you're talking about going from a coach that just didn't even care in LB or was too scared to lose his job in Isiah. Don't bring up Lenny cuz that's a completely different team from this one. The thing is that LB didn't like any of the players and it showed. isiah brought in these guys and then gave up on them. He was too scared to stick to his guns and try to run this team the right way. He had a chance to go after a Shotblocker and a Shooter and instead he brought in Zach and totally screwed the pooch on that one. He didn't even have a plan for how to use the guy.

NOW I like Waltoni and I think they're fired up to get the job done. I like some of the young players on this team and I think they'll have a better chance to succeed and form the building blocks of this future team. It's not just about this season, but the next few seasons.

Fans need to keep the faith. I have been through this with my buffalo bills as well - they had an awful GM for a while and ended up bringing Marv Levy back to the front office to make personnel changes. I think the Donnie move is similar, we now have a guy who can make smart basketball decisions and will mold the team into a winner again. This is a move that should have been made right after Layden was shown the door, unfortunately we all know what happened. Be prepared for another sub par season but there will be flashes of brilliance and with another off season we should see something start to come together.

This season is not about winning, it is about improving and changing the culture - the most important thing that can happen to this organization right now.
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9/22/2008  7:58 AM
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Posted by EnySpree:

"Stuck"?

He's a proven 20/10 guy that's 25 years old......he gave us 17/10 on a team that couldn't brought him to NY for no apparent reason and tried to make him a bench player? defer to Curry? The dude was still a good player for us.....too mad the Knicks team as a whole sucked.....it wasn't just Zach cuz the Knicks were bad without Zach.

Anyway, **** the media and the rest of the league.....we have offensive genius Mike D'antoni here in NY.....Knicks should be able to function and find a way to win more than lose.

I say we stand behind out players. Zach isn't Marbury. I think the dude, and some of the better guys on the team need to be given a chance. They will be coached this year and the team will have a focus and a game plan.

Go Knicks!


I wouldnt focus on 20-10 and trying to raise Zach's value--rather I think I would put him in best position for the team. If anyone remembers he played very well for Portland off the bench early in his career. I think starting David Lee with Curry is the best thing for the team.

Are we going to keep Marbury even with only 1 PG? Looks like no??? so maybe 9 man rotation



C-Curry
F-Lee
F Chandler
G Crawford
G Duhon
F Randolph
F Gallinari
G Q Rich
G Nate

I don't think there are enough minutes for Zach, Curry & Lee up front- for all three to be effective.

We will see, though.

Actually, once Walsh realized he couldn't trade Zach, he should have tried to move Curry.
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9/22/2008  8:01 AM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by EnySpree:

"Stuck"?

He's a proven 20/10 guy that's 25 years old......he gave us 17/10 on a team that couldn't brought him to NY for no apparent reason and tried to make him a bench player? defer to Curry? The dude was still a good player for us.....too mad the Knicks team as a whole sucked.....it wasn't just Zach cuz the Knicks were bad without Zach.

Anyway, **** the media and the rest of the league.....we have offensive genius Mike D'antoni here in NY.....Knicks should be able to function and find a way to win more than lose.

I say we stand behind out players. Zach isn't Marbury. I think the dude, and some of the better guys on the team need to be given a chance. They will be coached this year and the team will have a focus and a game plan.

Go Knicks!


I wouldnt focus on 20-10 and trying to raise Zach's value--rather I think I would put him in best position for the team. If anyone remembers he played very well for Portland off the bench early in his career. I think starting David Lee with Curry is the best thing for the team.

Are we going to keep Marbury even with only 1 PG? Looks like no??? so maybe 9 man rotation



C-Curry
F-Lee
F Chandler
G Crawford
G Duhon
F Randolph
F Gallinari
G Q Rich
G Nate

I don't think there are enough minutes for Zach, Curry & Lee up front- for all three to be effective.

We will see, though.

Actually, once Walsh realized he couldn't trade Zach, he should have tried to move Curry.

How about 32 minutes each?
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9/22/2008  9:12 AM
Posted by Ira:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by EnySpree:

"Stuck"?

He's a proven 20/10 guy that's 25 years old......he gave us 17/10 on a team that couldn't brought him to NY for no apparent reason and tried to make him a bench player? defer to Curry? The dude was still a good player for us.....too mad the Knicks team as a whole sucked.....it wasn't just Zach cuz the Knicks were bad without Zach.

Anyway, **** the media and the rest of the league.....we have offensive genius Mike D'antoni here in NY.....Knicks should be able to function and find a way to win more than lose.

I say we stand behind out players. Zach isn't Marbury. I think the dude, and some of the better guys on the team need to be given a chance. They will be coached this year and the team will have a focus and a game plan.

Go Knicks!


I wouldnt focus on 20-10 and trying to raise Zach's value--rather I think I would put him in best position for the team. If anyone remembers he played very well for Portland off the bench early in his career. I think starting David Lee with Curry is the best thing for the team.

Are we going to keep Marbury even with only 1 PG? Looks like no??? so maybe 9 man rotation



C-Curry
F-Lee
F Chandler
G Crawford
G Duhon
F Randolph
F Gallinari
G Q Rich
G Nate

I don't think there are enough minutes for Zach, Curry & Lee up front- for all three to be effective.

We will see, though.

Actually, once Walsh realized he couldn't trade Zach, he should have tried to move Curry.

How about 32 minutes each?
People always say that when there are three players for 2 positions but it never seems to work out. One guy always gets the short end of the stick.
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9/22/2008  9:17 AM
I think starting Lee and Curry with Zach off the bench will be a good idea. What bothers me about that lineup is the scoring. Crawford and Curry? I don't know if that's good or bad.
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9/22/2008  10:43 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:

I think starting Lee and Curry with Zach off the bench will be a good idea. What bothers me about that lineup is the scoring. Crawford and Curry? I don't know if that's good or bad.
Well I wouldn't be so focused on just those two guys. I think Chan and Lee can have more of an impact with a real PG out there. One thing that people can't take away from Duhon is that he's a solid PG. Not a spectacular player but a solid and low turnover PG. He can make the tough pass.

As for Duhon's shooting, I think he can and will improve in that area. Whenever you have a team that focuses on shooting the ball and players get to take more shots they tend to improve their %. What makes Mike's teams improve is that the shots are better shots, not just fired up bad shots.

I believe this can work cuz they won't focus on Curry as a stationary post player. Many of us have been calling for this for years. When Curry isn't the primary focus on every play, he can't be doubled and he can get to the basket with ease. He has such great hands and can move so well for a big fat guy, that he a beast to deal with when he's moving. This will open up things for the other players to get more shots and keep defenses off balance. But it's all predicated on the PG.
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9/22/2008  10:48 AM
"Volentary" camp.....

Who's not there? Marbs? Malik? Jerome? Isiah?

Who's there? Allan Houston? Danny Grunfeld? Pat Ewing Jr? Gallo? Roberson? Duhon?

Oh yeah, Zach, Craw, JJ, Q, David, Wilson, Mardy and Curry are there too.

That's exciting........especially Zach. He's been on the rumor mil all summer, yet being the massive douche bag he is.....he's at this volentary camp bonding with the fellas getting used to the new system.
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