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EnySpree
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9/18/2008  11:41 PM
Sep 18, 2008 4:03 PM EST

Howard Beck of the New York Times reports that the Knicks are expected to part ways with Stephon Marbury.

"Most of the Knicks' top rotation players from last season have been scrimmaging at the team's training center," writes Beck. "The group has included Jamal Crawford, Eddy Curry, David Lee, Nate Robinson, Jared Jeffries, Wilson Chandler and Zach Randolph, as well as the free-agent pickup Chris Duhon. The most notable absence has been Stephon Marbury, who is expected to be waived before the season."

Via New York Times
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9/18/2008  11:45 PM
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9/18/2008  11:49 PM
"waive"

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9/19/2008  12:43 AM
I don't care what Beck says. It is very unlikely that Marbury gets waived. He is in the last year of a huge contract and that is valuable for trades.

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9/19/2008  4:03 AM
I would think they would waive JJ1 before Marbury. Marbury can be used to facilitate a major trade and just like last year, you never know what is going to happen. If IT had not waived our expiring contracts before last season, we might have gotten Pau Gasol instead of the Lakers. I would Hardaway him and put him on a paid 3 month vacation and wait and see what materializes at the trade deadline.
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9/19/2008  4:17 AM
Could somebody please explain to me why waiving Marbury in contrast to simply doint like Game posted above would benefit the Knicks? Him being on "paid vacation" doesnt even change the team chemistry!
And his contract WILL be good trade material. Not talking about a deal bringing in something longer obviously but a huge contract with one more year.
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9/19/2008  4:34 AM
We need to get under the cap and clear the team of cancers and jackasses. This is an all-in-one type of deal.
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9/19/2008  6:35 AM
Fine, now with Duhon the championship is ours!

Nah, I dont care much. Dont think its a good move, though it wont hurt us.
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9/19/2008  6:55 AM
Posted by GKFv2:

We need to get under the cap and clear the team of cancers and jackasses. This is an all-in-one type of deal.

This does nothing to help us get under the cap. You could actually make the case that it hurts us. If we could have taken back one more year in salary and gotten a nice sweetner in the deal, that sweetner could help us rebuild or be part of future trades. That said, it is better than holding onto him all year, giving him 35 mpg, and then just letting his contract expire.
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9/19/2008  7:29 AM
Posted by oohah:

I don't care what Beck says. It is very unlikely that Marbury gets waived. He is in the last year of a huge contract and that is valuable for trades.

Valuable in a trade if you are willing to take salary back.
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9/19/2008  7:55 AM
I think the author is just speculating based on the evidence but doesn't have anymore knowledge on this situation than the rest of this group.
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9/19/2008  8:09 AM
Isiah is not in play; so there is no sane persone in NBA who will trade for Marbs.
Getting read of him is symbolic move and club need it to get people back to the Garden.
Fans need strong assurance that team is willing to change the culture and direction.
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Posted by Andrew:
Posted by oohah:

I don't care what Beck says. It is very unlikely that Marbury gets waived. He is in the last year of a huge contract and that is valuable for trades.

Valuable in a trade if you are willing to take salary back.
It could be short-term salary that is irrelevant to our cap situation. Then we'd actually be utiziling our financial advantage over smaller market teams.
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9/19/2008  8:58 AM
Posted by arkrud:

Isiah is not in play; so there is no sane persone in NBA who will trade for Marbs.
Getting read of him is symbolic move and club need it to get people back to the Garden.
Fans need strong assurance that team is willing to change the culture and direction.
They'd be trading for his contract not for him.

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9/19/2008  10:29 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by arkrud:

Isiah is not in play; so there is no sane persone in NBA who will trade for Marbs.
Getting read of him is symbolic move and club need it to get people back to the Garden.
Fans need strong assurance that team is willing to change the culture and direction.
They'd be trading for his contract not for him.



This is understandable but jut explain to me how it can be better for us from just let it expire or get read of him now (which is essentially same thing)?
His presence alone can drive MSG revenue down 20-30 mils. Do you really thing they cannot count money?



[Edited by - arkrud on 09-19-2008 10:29 AM]
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9/19/2008  10:31 AM
If we buy Marbs out then a few possible good results.
1. We would probably pay a few milion $ less than his 2008/09 salary - thereby saving salary plus luxury tax.
2. - and more importantly it opens a spot for another player - maybe PE Jr. or Alan Houston?
3. Better team chemistry
4. If Marbury doesn't accept, then he sits out on vacation and doesn't play. He will not like that at all. A buyout lets him negotiate to play this year with another team.

Negatives - perhaps we could trade him for an expiring contract for someone who the other team wants to dump and improve our team - probably need 2 contracts. Then we'd have to dump at least 1 player as we don't have room on the roster. So trading is more difficult to get a return where we benefit. But maybe Walsh has something lined up?

Or we let him play with the team....but no one thinks that will happen.

Conclusion: A buyout is more probable. Better for both sides.
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9/19/2008  10:38 AM
You have to remember, what are we trading Marbury for? Teams that are going to want to take the last year of his contract are going to be interested in rebuilding, most likely, so they are going to want his expiring contract. That's a much higher possibility than a contending team wanting him, at least in my opinion, because Marbury has never won anywhere. Therefore, what are we going to get in return? A much longer deal and a small chance of getting a mid 20s draft pick. I don't think we'd be getting very much in return for Marbury's contract, at least nothing worth anything, so I really don't see the point.

Lets move foward, have the organization adjust to life without Starbury and move foward to becoming a contending team, someday.

Buyout Jerome, Marbury and maybe Malik. Sign Houston and PEJ.
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9/19/2008  10:43 AM
expiring contracts can be useful, but a $20m one is a lot tougher to take advantage of. i'm not sure what the rules are, but i think we'd have to take back at least some $17m of contracts just to get it approved. so we'd need to find a team that has some combination of players - at least 2 or 3 - that have no more than 2 year contracts *and* the other team is willing to give up to save a few bucks. if we want to get a cheap young player out of it, it just makes it less appealing for the other guys. nothing springs to mind.

[Edited by - Masterplan on 09-19-2008 10:52 AM]
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