Posted by playa2:

Yea attacking Iraq really showed how tuff we were. They hyped up how strong Iraq's army was then how strong thier elite force's were. Wasn't that all lies by our govt to persuade uninformed americans to become war hungry after 9/11.

What about Korea and china, do they have nukes ? Do they have oil? NO hmmm let's leave them alone.

Posted by nykshaknbake:

So you would attack North Korea? I'm not even sure why you'd even want to attack China...unless you're just a RACIST.

Posted by playa2:

Yea attacking Iraq really showed how tuff we were. They hyped up how strong Iraq's army was then how strong thier elite force's were. Wasn't that all lies by our govt to persuade uninformed americans to become war hungry after 9/11.

What about Korea and china, do they have nukes ? Do they have oil? NO hmmm let's leave them alone.

My point was we only attack countires that has nukes if they have resources we want, but if they don't have resources that we want to take we leave them alone.

Posted by Nalod:


Iran is a big problem, and they will not back off from the nuke program unless there is a real threat we blow it up.

So either a diplomatic resolution is found, or we blow it up.

Iran is very relient on oil cash flow so to cut off the striats would hurt them big time.

My feeling is they will back down.

Does anyone think that blowing up a nuke plant that is a threat to Israel, who in turn lights up all their enemies is not a good idea? Obama should reach out and do what with the Iranian lunatic? The guy runs around saying he will blow up Isreal without any care at all. Even to the millions of palastinians he will take with him. Let alone the collateral damage to Jordan, Lebanon and syria. This to satisfy some self inflicted self important ordained halucination that he will lead this jahad. Phuch that noise, if we don't take it out then Isreal will, and the Arab world don't like that one bit. That will provoke an even worse situation. Obama is gonna kick some ass just like all the rest. Diplomatic resolution is always the best but if you give into these Mofos your appeasing and really showing weakness.

Nalod,

How can the United States possibly lecture another country about their supposed nuke Program when we our the biggest producer of nuclear weapons in the world? Iran is sovereign nation and whatever takes place on their land is not our business unless of course they start invading other countries then we can possibly talk about dealing with Iran.

We have to remove the hyperbole and look at this issue as honestly as possible because we're not talking about throwing water balloons we are talking about full out war AGAIN. Right now the Iranian government and under Mahmoud Ahmadinejad they have cultivated ties with Russia, Armenia, Turkey, Pakistan and he wants to develop a "peace pipeline" that will fuel both India and Pakistan. And Russia (the sleeping giant) has gone so far as to provide Iran with nuclear fuel. So my question to you is how do propose we deal with this country and any allies they may have? Because going in guns blazing like Iraq isn't going to cut this time; so unless you support a wholesale draft or obliterating millions of innocent civilians off the map with nuclear bomb then diplomacy is really our (I mean the United States) only option at this point.

Besides right now Mahmoud Ahmadinejad might not even survive another election he has a lot of opposition. He's been accused of corruption, political favoritism, and a dictator. So why not allow the Iranian people decide how to best handle their wild canon it is their country after all.

We can't go around invading nations because their leader hates Israel. We need to have all our ducks in a row showing that an legitimate threat has been levied and acted upon before stepping in with our full military force or bombing a country to the stone ages. The Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei who retains the executive powers of commanding armed forces DECLARATIONS OF WAR has never implied that Iran would invade or attack Israel and has also issued a "fatwa" stating that the production, stockpiling and use of nuclear weapons is forbidden under Islam. So imo if we invade Iran we will start WWIII pure and simple.

btw,

I'm no nuclear scientist but blowing about a nuclear weapons plant I have to imagine would have catastrophic affects on the entire region isn't that almost as bad as dropping a nuclear bomb or no? Maybe someone could explain this to me.

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by Nalod:


Iran is a big problem, and they will not back off from the nuke program unless there is a real threat we blow it up.

So either a diplomatic resolution is found, or we blow it up.

Iran is very relient on oil cash flow so to cut off the striats would hurt them big time.

My feeling is they will back down.

Does anyone think that blowing up a nuke plant that is a threat to Israel, who in turn lights up all their enemies is not a good idea? Obama should reach out and do what with the Iranian lunatic? The guy runs around saying he will blow up Isreal without any care at all. Even to the millions of palastinians he will take with him. Let alone the collateral damage to Jordan, Lebanon and syria. This to satisfy some self inflicted self important ordained halucination that he will lead this jahad. Phuch that noise, if we don't take it out then Isreal will, and the Arab world don't like that one bit. That will provoke an even worse situation. Obama is gonna kick some ass just like all the rest. Diplomatic resolution is always the best but if you give into these Mofos your appeasing and really showing weakness.

Nalod,

How can the United States possibly lecture another country about their supposed nuke Program when we our the biggest producer of nuclear weapons in the world? Iran is sovereign nation and whatever takes place on their land is not our business unless of course they start invading other countries then we can possibly talk about dealing with Iran.

We have to remove the hyperbole and look at this issue as honestly as possible because we're not talking about throwing water balloons we are talking about full out war AGAIN. Right now the Iranian government and under Mahmoud Ahmadinejad they have cultivated ties with Russia, Armenia, Turkey, Pakistan and he wants to develop a "peace pipeline" that will fuel both India and Pakistan. And Russia (the sleeping giant) has gone so far as to provide Iran with nuclear fuel. So my question to you is how do propose we deal with this country and any allies they may have? Because going in guns blazing like Iraq isn't going to cut this time; so unless you support a wholesale draft or obliterating millions of innocent civilians off the map with nuclear bomb then diplomacy is really our (I mean the United States) only option at this point.

Besides right now Mahmoud Ahmadinejad might not even survive another election he has a lot of opposition. He's been accused of corruption, political favoritism, and a dictator. So why not allow the Iranian people decide how to best handle their wild canon it is their country after all.

We can't go around invading nations because their leader hates Israel. We need to have all our ducks in a row showing that an legitimate threat has been levied and acted upon before stepping in with our full military force or bombing a country to the stone ages. The Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei who retains the executive powers of commanding armed forces DECLARATIONS OF WAR has never implied that Iran would invade or attack Israel and has also issued a "fatwa" stating that the production, stockpiling and use of nuclear weapons is forbidden under Islam. So imo if we invade Iran we will start WWIII pure and simple.

btw,

I'm no nuclear scientist but blowing about a nuclear weapons plant I have to imagine would have catastrophic affects on the entire region isn't that almost as bad as dropping a nuclear bomb or no? Maybe someone could explain this to me.

Posted by Nalod:



Second, the lunatic proclaims mohammad has told him to do this.

I believe you have the leaders confused, GWB said God told him to invade Iraq.

Posted by Nalod:

Bitty,

I am pro isreal for many many reasons. I try to discuss not those reasons but the actual leverage they have on the region. its all about leverage.

usually these are just talking points and I agree with alot of what you say. I don't accept that Hezbelah is a creation of Isreal as being justified. Its complicated and I can leave it at that.

Irans oil is needed and only if they destroy themselves would it be a problem of distribution. They need the cash badly.

My real thought it the threat of taking the nuke plant out and the threat of war is enough to get them to back down, and/or have their own people change their leadership. But the threat must be real.

The Isreal discussion is a long one and its impractical to truly get into this on a UK forum.

I am preparing my clients to accpept an Iranian campaign and the Republican party to market themselves as the ones whom protect us.

Im not saying that is right btw, I don't get overly passionate about these things.