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Who else would love Pat Ewing Jr. if he's released?
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nixluva
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8/15/2008  12:38 PM
I for one would LOVE to get him. I'd say he's a likely upgrade over Balky.
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8/15/2008  12:42 PM
Personally, I think Pat Jr. & Balk are the same player, but it would be a fan friendly gesture.
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8/15/2008  12:42 PM
I would as well - I don't know about being an upgrade over Balkman- but when you look at a lot of the players who's fathers were in the NBA - Luke Walton & Damien Wilkens - the one thing they do is play the right way, and do many of the smaller things to help teams win.

However, I don't see Walsh letting someone else go - we basically gave Balkman away for nothing instead of releasing him - accomplished the same thing, but saved money doing it.
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8/15/2008  12:48 PM
and while Pat Jr may not currently have a skill set that exceeds Balks, he is a higher character, better pedigree player who theoretically could improve whereas, Balk seems to be resigned to be a disrupter on D & on the boards but devoid of offensive skills
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8/15/2008  1:44 PM
Pat Ewing Jr. is a better shooter. He also maybe even more athletic.

Jr. also has his dads firey attitude on the court. He flicks that finger and says "that's bull****" just like his pops. Its freaky.
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8/15/2008  1:48 PM
Slow down, guys. Let's not play the nepotism card here. I want to see what he's got first.
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8/15/2008  2:49 PM
Is one man's garbage another's gold? Or is it just "garbage?" Where does baby Ewing- listed at 6'6" barefoot- fit in with the Knicks? Jeffries and Chandler will actually be doing some of the things Balkman did for the Knicks, so I'm not sure we need another Balkman-type.

Is Ewing II just another athletic kid without an offensive game? Why doesn't he have Pappy Ewing's jumper?? Does he have any upside? Why would another team release him if he showed talent?

Nice thought, but he would do better for himself going to a weaker European team or playing in the developmental league. He has to play to get better, and the Knicks don't have the ability to give him anything more than garbage minutes. If he improves his game, though, I would love to have him on the team someday.

[Edited by - Paladin55 on 08-15-2008 3:12 PM]
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8/15/2008  3:34 PM
I love Jr. Loved him his entire time at Georgetown. Hopefully we will give him a shot. But after the trade of Balkman I'm not thinking it will happen.
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8/15/2008  4:58 PM
I don't want Ewing's son, or Reed's son or DeBusschere's son or anyone's son unless they can help this team. We don't need a pr move; we need quality players.
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8/15/2008  5:24 PM
Patrick senior didn't have much of a jump shot either when playing for Georgetown. He was considered a great defensive player and rebounder, and good inside. He worked on his jump shot over the summers and developed it until he had it down. He is known for his shot but he worked hard to reach that level. No reason Jr can't also do that.

However, I see no reason to getPatrick Jr unless it is in our best interest as a B-ball team. Not as a PR move.
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8/15/2008  8:27 PM
Posted by Ira:

I don't want Ewing's son, or Reed's son or DeBusschere's son or anyone's son unless they can help this team. We don't need a pr move; we need quality players.


exactly..whats to love about him bip
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8/15/2008  8:32 PM
I liked what I saw of him. Mike and Walsh had good things to say about him, tho I don't know if that was just them being nice or having any real interest. My guess is that it could be sincere.

Jr. has IMO a better chance to develop his offense in a Bruce Bowen like way.

I thought this was a fair assessment on Jr.

Positives: Athletic big man. Has a 42 inch vertical jump. Decent perimeter game with shooting range out to the NBA three point line.

Negatives: Despite his pedigree and size, Ewing never found a position that fit him. His lack of production at Georgetown over four years hurt his stock.

Summary: Ewing actually played well at both the Portsmouth and Orlando pre-draft camps, leaving scouts wondering whether the system at Georgetown, along with absurd expectations, may have hid some talent. He's likely to go undrafted, but he's still an intriguing name.

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8/15/2008  10:13 PM
We're trying to go forward, not backwards. Give up the Patrick Ewing dream. It's over. He's never coming back and he's had his chance. It's over.
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8/15/2008  10:16 PM
Posted by Markji:

Patrick senior didn't have much of a jump shot either when playing for Georgetown. He was considered a great defensive player and rebounder, and good inside. He worked on his jump shot over the summers and developed it until he had it down. He is known for his shot but he worked hard to reach that level. No reason Jr can't also do that.

However, I see no reason to getPatrick Jr unless it is in our best interest as a B-ball team. Not as a PR move.

Yeah, but see this is the problem. It's not about Jr. your talking about. You want Sr. back.
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8/16/2008  8:10 AM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by Markji:

Patrick senior didn't have much of a jump shot either when playing for Georgetown. He was considered a great defensive player and rebounder, and good inside. He worked on his jump shot over the summers and developed it until he had it down. He is known for his shot but he worked hard to reach that level. No reason Jr can't also do that.

However, I see no reason to getPatrick Jr unless it is in our best interest as a B-ball team. Not as a PR move.

Yeah, but see this is the problem. It's not about Jr. your talking about. You want Sr. back.
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8/16/2008  9:19 AM
Gotcha.
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8/16/2008  11:56 AM
I found this article to be a good one too.
http://www.theknicksblog.com/2008/08/15/a-closer-look-a-ewing-jr/

As Alan Hahn pointed out this morning, the Knicks might be looking at Patrick Ewing Jr. if he is cut by the Houston Rockets. Ewing Jr. was a part of the deal in which Sacramento also sent Ron Artest to the Rockets. Donnie Walsh showed interest in Ewing before the draft, and even attempted to trade into the 2nd round to pick him.
When analyzing Ewing Jr., his college statistics are not really a good place to start. While at Georgetown, Ewing Jr. was overshadowed in a system that featured Jeff Green and Roy Hibbert two seasons ago and Hibbert last season. If anyone watched Georgetown last season, they would know that the team thrived with their guard play and the play of Hibbert. Ewing Jr. was essentially a role player for that team, and his numbers reflect that. Ewing only played about 22 minutes per game last season, which was his second at Georgetown. However, last season Georgetown was also known for its athleticism and tenacity, two attributes that Ewing Jr. embodies with the best of them.

Ewing Jr.’s game is predicated on his athleticism and his drive. He has a 42-inch vertical and plays defense with the heart of a lion. Standing at 6’7/ 6’8 and around 235 pounds depending on who you ask, Ewing Jr. is a physical specimen (he must have good genes). In the NBA, he figures to become a defensive specialist and a slasher on offense. Perhaps with NBA training and weight-lifting regimens, he can further develop his body enough to guard 2’s, 3’s, and 4’s, with the potential to block some shots. His jump shot and handle need work, but I do not think that Donnie will look for him to provide much offense.

He could be a nice player to bring in for a look. While there are others who I would also like Donnie Walsh to consider, namely Josh Duncan and Nick Fazekas among others, Ewing Jr. would add nice element to this team’s dynamic. He is no stranger to the bright lights of the Garden and comes from a winning program at Georgetown.
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8/16/2008  4:21 PM
Let's say we pick him up. He first has to fit into a D'Antoni run and gun plan. Second, he has to have talent to fit what is needed. That's how it should be judged, if we look at him. Not just because his name if Jr. I don't want the guy in NY if it's just for his name. Forget it.
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8/16/2008  9:42 PM
Posted by 4949:

Let's say we pick him up. He first has to fit into a D'Antoni run and gun plan. Second, he has to have talent to fit what is needed. That's how it should be judged, if we look at him. Not just because his name if Jr. I don't want the guy in NY if it's just for his name. Forget it.

I really don't think that most of those who want to take a look at Jr. are saying that just cuz of who his father is. Most of the reasons center around his athletic ability, defense and potential to develop offensively. IMO he has a better shot to become an all around player than Balkman did.
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8/20/2008  4:25 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

I love Jr. Loved him his entire time at Georgetown. Hopefully we will give him a shot. But after the trade of Balkman I'm not thinking it will happen.

who needs guys like Balkman & Ewing Jr. when we need to use those roster spots on indispensible NBA talent like Anthony Roberson?
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