The Knicks are a poorly constructed team which is counting on a guy, in McDyess, to be its dependable dominant low post presence. Not going to work. Kurt Thomas is reaching his prime and adds some toughness and scoring but isn't a player you want to count on as a #2 option playing CENTER. We have some nice pieces in place to rebuild.. but contention and competitiveness with the top teams is unrealistic at this point. McDyess comes back healthy... different story.

no disrepect baller but after this qoute


"The knicks are going to be a solid team next year..if they are injury free and dont make any dumb moves. they still dont have a great pg
"

The rest of your post is irrevelant, cause all those things will happen and we wont get a PG

Wow - that was a quick gang-rape...


lol

Posted by prodson:

a younger taller guy with potential huh.
the man makes 13 million a year it aint called potential anymore.
a older slower sprewell is still better than a keith van horn. i don't have anything against van horn but anyone but sprewell. sprewell personified the knicks. i hear you talking about slow and old but the real brand of knicks basketball were built on players like sprewell and xavier mcdaniel.
of course van horn rebounds more he is 6'10! but he only averaged one more defenseve rebound a game than the shorter older slower sprewell
an old sprewell still outscored him
still played better defense
still was respected
if you think sprewell defense isn't as good then wait til you see van horn's defense.
too slow for a 3 and too weak for a 4.
i agree with you the knicks were/are going to suck regardless but i could still stand to watch them
i hear people clown big dog but praise allan houston. and til this day i can't understand why?
they are the same type of scorers. big dog may put up better numbers tho. i like allan and big dog

Van horn may make a lot of money but hes still relatively yougn and has some skills...regardless of his contract he still has potential... just because someone signs a big contract doesnt mean they are a bust
i agree that spree was the heart... i never said i liked the trade i was just saying its got its ups and downs
van horn averages one more defensive rebound but about 3 more offensive rebounds...its 7.5 vs 3.9 total reboudns thats pretty significant
van horn averaged a half a point less than sprewell last year... .5 points, and u have to also consider that he was on iversons team
i agree with a lot of your points, that teh knicks lost their heart and i am not even that big of a fan of van horn, and i was a big spree fan, but if mcdyess comesb ack we will be a solid team - not a championship team but a 5-7th seed playof team. not the greatest news since one more high draft pick would probably help us out a lot.. if dice doesnt come back well prob be where we were this year, maybe get the 8th seed.

were not that structurally flawed
our pg's are not rgeat but we have a true sg, a tall (but slow) 3, a real 4. yeah we do have a lot ofg powerforwards and one or two of them play center but in the east well get away with that...the nets got to the final with jason collins as their center, a lot of teams have no real center.

iceman i agree with you which is why i said IF, if it doesnt happen then we will probably suck again...but about spurs lakers mavs and kings...i never said wed be a championship team or even get to the finals. nobody from the east is going to beat the west for a while so the strength of the western conference teams is irrevelant...the nets and the psitons are tough teams in the east but i think we (as a healthy team) can match up with teams like boston indiana orlando etc.

the first post was me optimistically saying the knicks without injury are not a terrible team...realistically i dont think dice will come back but i still think with our rookies we are a better team and have a chance at the playoffs, though losing and getting a high pick would help us more

Posted by prodson:


a younger taller guy with potential huh.
the man makes 13 million a year it aint called potential anymore.
a older slower sprewell is still better than a keith van horn. i don't have anything against van horn but anyone but sprewell.

Talk basketball now Prod instead of general assumptions & opinions... Spree although probably a better 2, better pg, better defender & definately the better athlete than Van Horn, is not a better SF, PF, low post defender, rebounder than KVH... Baskteball is about team, and teams have needs, Spree was not in need... sure the best player on the Knicks, but Jordan didnt win anything untill the Bulls assembled a team for him to win with. The Knicks dont have a franchise type performer on thier team so they have to logically build a Team that can compete and in this case it meant gettin bigger at the 3.

Posted by prodson:

sprewell personified the knicks. i hear you talking about slow and old but the real brand of knicks basketball were built on players like sprewell and xavier mcdaniel.

This I cant agree with you more... & Spreewell has not lost a step and will prove just that in Minny where he will get the chance again to match up with players his own size where he can be effective on both sides of the court and all aspects of the game in relation to his matchup.

Posted by prodson:

of course van horn rebounds more he is 6'10! but he only averaged one more defenseve rebound a game than the shorter older slower sprewell
an old sprewell still outscored him
still played better defense

that is subject to opinion... and you clearly cannot compare the two as they both play different positions and have different qualities in thier game, but that said KVH would fare a lot better defending in the low post than Spree... And if you think basketball the last thing you wanna do is give up that low block area on a nightly basis giving the other team a high percentage shot or an open look when defenders close in on the box... Just as I wouldnt want KVH defending a two gettin beat off the dribble on a nightly basis making defenders rotate and leaving the open man.

Posted by prodson:

if you think sprewell defense isn't as good then wait til you see van horn's defense.
too slow for a 3 and too weak for a 4.

it's a gamble I'm willing to take, size in the NBA today has more effect on succesfull ball clubs than speed does...