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BRIGGS
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7/30/2008  12:58 PM
with 12 scrubs compared to what we have now... Meaning we promised Thabeet 6[only way he wouldve came out] and somehow traded Lee and whatever else to get Randolph for that 11 pick that didnt materialize. Would you be happy as a Knick fan no matter what else was going on with these two players as the foundation.

This was my initial thought when I thought of this draft--at the time I had Thabeet6 and trade lee for Jason Thompson[low lotto] but I preferred Randolph after viewing him over the next two months. I wanted an inside type foundation and would be willing to wait on these guys because of their talent level and size. But we went the exact opposite route in some perspectives.
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7/30/2008  1:02 PM
No. No I wouldn't be happy at all.
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7/30/2008  1:23 PM
Yes, I would. It does not mean we would be more "succesful" than with what we have right now, but I certainly would prefer to be in that situation.
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7/30/2008  1:31 PM
I would be happier.
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7/30/2008  1:37 PM
I don't think trading for Lee for Randold would be that terrible to be honest if Lee is going to want 10 million a year.
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7/30/2008  1:54 PM
Marbury
Jamal
Chandler
Randolph
Thabeet

sign me up.
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7/30/2008  1:56 PM
Sign me out.
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7/30/2008  2:08 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

with 12 scrubs compared to what we have now... Meaning we promised Thabeet 6[only way he wouldve came out] and somehow traded Lee and whatever else to get Randolph for that 11 pick that didnt materialize. Would you be happy as a Knick fan no matter what else was going on with these two players as the foundation.

This was my initial thought when I thought of this draft--at the time I had Thabeet6 and trade lee for Jason Thompson[low lotto] but I preferred Randolph after viewing him over the next two months. I wanted an inside type foundation and would be willing to wait on these guys because of their talent level and size. But we went the exact opposite route in some perspectives.

I'm with you on this one BRIGGS. I think Thabeet has the goods to be Mutombo-like on defense, probably better on offense.

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Posted by BRIGGS:

with 12 scrubs compared to what we have now... Meaning we promised Thabeet 6[only way he wouldve came out] and somehow traded Lee and whatever else to get Randolph for that 11 pick that didnt materialize. Would you be happy as a Knick fan no matter what else was going on with these two players as the foundation.

This was my initial thought when I thought of this draft--at the time I had Thabeet6 and trade lee for Jason Thompson[low lotto] but I preferred Randolph after viewing him over the next two months. I wanted an inside type foundation and would be willing to wait on these guys because of their talent level and size. But we went the exact opposite route in some perspectives.

I'm with you on this one BRIGGS. I think Thabeet has the goods to be Mutombo-like on defense, probably better on offense.

oohah

I guess why I'm upset with the franchise is[and im not counting the last 7 years] I just believe in sports you start with defense and work back and I think we are doing the oppsosite. teh Suns ownership and management realized this and thats why Dantoni is a Knicks. We're banking on something that hasnt worked in any sport.
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7/30/2008  2:50 PM
I don't know about Thabeet. He looks very slow when I see Uconn games, but you get two guys like them as your front court things would be a lot brighter right now.
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7/30/2008  2:55 PM
And it's not that I don't like Danillo, but I'm going to be sick if this guy can't play power forward. Why is that??? Because he looks too stiff to be a small forward in the NBA and if he has to play that position he will only be a jump shooter. He isn't fast enough for his dribble to have an effect on most small forwards...... then on Defense it's going to be 4 on five. Maybe that is just my feelings though.
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7/30/2008  2:57 PM
I agree, I think you have to start with defense first. To go in the exact opposite direction does not make alot of sense. When you consider the roster, combined with a coach who has short practices and depends on high character guys to play like professionals, refuses to change from his offense first philosophy, and does not handle criticism well, I think there is a recipe for failure in place. It would not be hard to rise above the dysfunction of last season and win more games but I don't think what is being put in place has any chance for long term success.
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7/30/2008  3:21 PM
Posted by Anji:

I don't know about Thabeet. He looks very slow when I see Uconn games, but you get two guys like them as your front court things would be a lot brighter right now.

He's going to be a monster this year. They are working very hard with him on his hands and core--I will not be surprised when he goes 1 next year. He's way better than Ok4.
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7/31/2008  5:07 PM
SN has a nice write up on both of these guys this week. The Thabeet article is very well done.
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7/31/2008  9:08 PM
Thabeet will be a very good shot blocker in the nba. His offense will probably be mediocre at best. What surprises me about him is his rebounding. In two years of college ball, he's averaged about a board per every four minutes of play. Those numbers tend to go down when a player enters the nba.
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7/31/2008  9:44 PM
Posted by Ira:

Thabeet will be a very good shot blocker in the nba. His offense will probably be mediocre at best. What surprises me about him is his rebounding. In two years of college ball, he's averaged about a board per every four minutes of play. Those numbers tend to go down when a player enters the nba.

this guy is scratching what he can do--he should be better in pros

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8/1/2008  10:47 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

with 12 scrubs compared to what we have now... Meaning we promised Thabeet 6[only way he wouldve came out] and somehow traded Lee and whatever else to get Randolph for that 11 pick that didnt materialize. Would you be happy as a Knick fan no matter what else was going on with these two players as the foundation.

This was my initial thought when I thought of this draft--at the time I had Thabeet6 and trade lee for Jason Thompson[low lotto] but I preferred Randolph after viewing him over the next two months. I wanted an inside type foundation and would be willing to wait on these guys because of their talent level and size. But we went the exact opposite route in some perspectives.

I liked Thabeet a lot early on last year -- hopefully he plays awesome this year and we suck enough to have a lottery shot at him or someone like Ricky Rubio next year.

Randolph I'm not sold on at all just yet. I've watched him a few games and while he has shows some intriguing skills he has a # of questionable areas to his game. For instance I watched a taped game of him last night against Dallas in the Rocky Mountain Review. First time up the court - he gets the ball outside the top of the key. He backs his guy down close to the foul line then is forced to jack up this horrendous jumper (shot clock wasn't running down). The ball hit the back board about 18 inches to the left of the basket and bounced to the floor. Hot Rod Hundley said - well Randolph went to the straight away banker - he got glass but he forgot about the rim and the basket. Sidney Moncrief immediately pulled him from the game and sat him down for a few minutes. Later he returned and made a nice play on a steal of a long downcourt pass - he dribbled out and made a nice looking diaganol pass to a cutting teammate but the pass was slightly behind the guy and wasn't bounced making it a very difficult catch on the run. The ball went out of bounds and Randolph went into a mini tizzy that his teammate didn't catch his pass. He put his arms up, dropped his shoulders and rolled his eyes.

The talent is there but the shot and the shot selection are awfully raw.
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8/1/2008  12:47 PM
The Magic Lakers were good on D, but not really a big time defensive team. It's really only since the Bad Boy Pistons that the league has swung so far in terms of defensive teams winning most of the titles. We all know the importance of D, but really it's deeper than that. You really need two way players more than anything else. You look at detroit and most of those guys were not only good defenders, but solid scorers also. The same with the Celtics. The Kobe Shaq Lakers weren't an all time defnsive squad, tho they were well balanced on both sides of the ball.

It's not necessarily a question of defense 1st. It's more about being solid on both ends. The reason PHX didn't succeed was due to facing a team that was capable of keeping up with their speed and slowing them down just enough to make their potent offense more reasonable. To me that doesn't mean that PHX style was a mistake, they simply didn't add the right things to make the match up work against SA. Aside from the loss to Dallas, they've lost to SA 3 times. It's not like they lost to some scrub team. SA knows them very well and is a tough matchup for PHX.

Let's also not make any mistake about this, PHX was a flawed team. They weren't perfect by any standard. I think they just couldn't find that one player who could've pushed them over the top. They tried with KT and some other bigs who could play better defensively and Shaq was a real stretch. They lost Marion in the process and opened up another big whole defensively.

None of this means that we can't do a better job of constructing a better defensive team here and still using this offensive system.
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8/1/2008  3:00 PM
Nixluva, good point about two way players. You can get away with some specialists on a team, but you need a nucleus of players who are effective on both sides of the court. The Kicks first championship team had that with Reed, DeBusschere, Frazier, Barnett and Bradley. When Monroe and Lucas were added, there was still the nucleus of Reed, DeBusschere, Clyde and Bradley who played effective o and d.

In basketball, if you have a guy who doesn't play offense or defense, you're 4 against 5 on that side of the court. Two way players are essential. That's why I'm very optimistic about Wilson Chandler.
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Posted by Ira:

Nixluva, good point about two way players. You can get away with some specialists on a team, but you need a nucleus of players who are effective on both sides of the court. The Kicks first championship team had that with Reed, DeBusschere, Frazier, Barnett and Bradley. When Monroe and Lucas were added, there was still the nucleus of Reed, DeBusschere, Clyde and Bradley who played effective o and d.

In basketball, if you have a guy who doesn't play offense or defense, you're 4 against 5 on that side of the court. Two way players are essential. That's why I'm very optimistic about Wilson Chandler.

To me this is the core issue for team success. You increase your winning % if you can have more 2 way players on the floor. So far we don't have many, but Chan and Duhon is a start. I believe that in a team concept Gallo and Lee will defend. They may not be excellent man on man defenders, but on most good defensive teams you may not have but one true defensive beast. The other guys just play hard, smart and as a unit on D and that is how you get it done.

The defensive middle for this team is still our biggest weak spot. I don't know what Waltoni will do, but I suspect that after having at least a shotblocking presence in Amare he will want to have that again here. Amare wasn't a strong man defender, but as a help defender he was very effective. Raja and Marion gave them guys who gave effort and I think we can approximate that here even now with Chan and Q if he is in top shape. Q was a good defender for us when he wasn't 20lbs over weight.

OF course the big 1000 lb gorilla is the Zbo/Curry tandem. if we start with that there's really no way to have a solid defense. This is what leads me to think something will happen before the start of the season. If not then surely a situation where Mike brings ZBo or Curry off the bench might be in order.
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