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Markji
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7/29/2008  6:32 PM
Knicks waive ex-Nuggets' Green, Jones in effort to free up cap space
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Tuesday, July 29, 2008
NEW YORK -- The New York Knicks waived Taurean Green and Bobby Jones on Tuesday, one day after acquiring the pair of seldom-used players in a trade with the Denver Nuggets. The moves were expected as the Knicks continue to overhaul their roster under Donnie Walsh, the team's president of basketball operations, and new coach Mike D'Antoni. Green, a guard, and guard-forward Jones were acquired Monday for forward Renaldo Balkman, a 2010 second-round draft pick and cash. Balkman became expendable ...

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7/29/2008  6:36 PM
Why do they keep saying he was traded for a 2nd round pick. The Knicks paid for the 2nd round pick.
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7/29/2008  6:40 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Why do they keep saying he was traded for a 2nd round pick. The Knicks paid for the 2nd round pick.
Everyone on the board knows that now.....it is the Knicks PR team that feeds this info to the Sports desks and they just pick it up.
Balkman wasn't traded....he was given away for nothing. We waived both players and paid approx $1/2 million for the 2nd round pick.
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7/29/2008  6:58 PM
Bobby and Taurean, we hardly got to know you.
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7/29/2008  7:11 PM
It was a short stint, but a legendary one. The Knicks will retire his jersey, I'm sure.
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7/29/2008  7:21 PM
The only stupid part of this "to clear up cap space". How about we think Balkman is a lazy bastard who smoked a few to many blunts and we wanted him out. The cap space thing is just a tad outside considering we have abother 55mm to go
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7/29/2008  7:46 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

The only stupid part of this "to clear up cap space". How about we think Balkman is a lazy bastard who smoked a few to many blunts and we wanted him out. The cap space thing is just a tad outside considering we have abother 55mm to go

And if we were after cap space, why sign Duhon to the $24MM deal he got?
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7/29/2008  8:12 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by BRIGGS:

The only stupid part of this "to clear up cap space". How about we think Balkman is a lazy bastard who smoked a few to many blunts and we wanted him out. The cap space thing is just a tad outside considering we have abother 55mm to go

And if we were after cap space, why sign Duhon to the $24MM deal he got?

Uh, the deal was for 2 years, $12 million. The cap space they are looking is for 2010. We had an option on Balkman for that year so rather than pick it up, we traded him for a 2nd rounder(about what he's worth).
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7/29/2008  8:48 PM


Uh, the deal was for 2 years, $12 million. The cap space they are looking is for 2010. We had an option on Balkman for that year so rather than pick it up, we traded him for a 2nd rounder(about what he's worth).
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Uh, no, we paid cash for a 2nd round pick. The Balkman trade was obviously in response to something else - maybe another trade with Denver this summer, maybe a statement to the rest of the knicks team - but it precisely doesn't make sense as a "trade" on its own merits.
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7/29/2008  8:49 PM
ow about we think Balkman is a lazy bastard who smoked a few to many blunts and we wanted him out. The cap space thing is just a tad outside considering we have abother 55mm to go

Where do you get your information that Balkman is a blunt-head beside ultimateknicks.com? Is it only because he has dreadlocks?

I recall you suggesting matt4281 was racist the other day, because he didn't think Randolph was a heady player. I find your unfounded assassination of Balkman's character to be just as bad.

As far as I know Balkman has had no drug accusations at any level of the game. Somebody please show me different.

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It's so funny, last year guys were claiming Balkman was as popular as David Lee. What a load of crap that was! Now all they want to do is dump on Balkman.

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7/29/2008  9:06 PM
Posted by oohah:

It's so funny, last year guys were claiming Balkman was as popular as David Lee. What a load of crap that was! Now all they want to do is dump on Balkman.

oohah

it certainly is a bit curious to say the least... i don't understand how Balkman could have so little value to just give him away for absolutely nothing in return... i can't fathom how any future trades Walsh makes could make sense of this move to be honest... we didn't gain any cap flexibility w/this move, we didn't get any better talent w/this move... the only thing that we gained was an open roster spot, which could have easily been gained if we'd bought out Marbury or Turd's contracts (i am positive a $3 million dollar difference could have been worked out w/Marbury since he could easily sign w/another team for the veteran's minimum afterwards, so if saving that money was the reason they made this Balkman trade then it doesn't hold much water if u ask me.

this trade probably has minimal consequences for us either way, but still leaves u wondering what the point of it was to begin with... curious, very curious.
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7/29/2008  9:09 PM
Such is the state of te knicks that when we swap nobody for a couple of nobodies and waive them it becomes front page news. If this dude was on the 1999 -2000 team and the same trade happened we wouldn't have blinked.

This is Renaldo Balkman people who were you expecting in return Ron Artest? I love hustle players didnt mind having him on the team but what's all this negativity about? We dumped some salary in exchange of a player we wouldn't want to keep after 2010 and who would have seen minimal play time behind the rookie and Chandler.

I think its a pretty reasonable deal.
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7/29/2008  9:12 PM
Posted by loweyecue:

Such is the state of te knicks that when we swap nobody for a couple of nobodies and waive them it becomes front page news. If this dude was on the 1999 -2000 team and the same trade happened we wouldn't have blinked.

u guys seriously gotta stop over blowing our reactions here... i don't see anyone saying this is the end of the world for the Knicks... what the hell else is there to talk about right now?
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7/29/2008  9:58 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by loweyecue:

Such is the state of te knicks that when we swap nobody for a couple of nobodies and waive them it becomes front page news. If this dude was on the 1999 -2000 team and the same trade happened we wouldn't have blinked.

u guys seriously gotta stop over blowing our reactions here... i don't see anyone saying this is the end of the world for the Knicks... what the hell else is there to talk about right now?

Oh, stop overreacting Chicken Little.
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7/29/2008  11:03 PM
Posted by loweyecue:

Such is the state of te knicks that when we swap nobody for a couple of nobodies and waive them it becomes front page news. If this dude was on the 1999 -2000 team and the same trade happened we wouldn't have blinked.

This is Renaldo Balkman people who were you expecting in return Ron Artest? I love hustle players didnt mind having him on the team but what's all this negativity about? We dumped some salary in exchange of a player we wouldn't want to keep after 2010 and who would have seen minimal play time behind the rookie and Chandler.

I think its a pretty reasonable deal.


We could easily have just bought the pick for 500k. How is the deal reasonable? Balkman's salary is minimal. What was the point of this move? Of course Balkman isn't Kobe, but that not the question. The question is: why do this, when there are easier ways to get a 2nd round pick and easier ways to clear up roster spots. There's another issue at stake here: maybe Balkman feuded with someone in practice? Maybe Walsh wants a Nugget later that we couldn't trade for directly, so he gave them Balkman for free now and they'll do something for us later?

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7/29/2008  11:10 PM
If we could've just bought the pick we would've had. If we gave up 500K AND a player for two expiring contracts and a 2nd rd pick its because it could've only happened that way.


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7/29/2008  11:22 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:

If we could've just bought the pick we would've had. If we gave up 500K AND a player for two expiring contracts and a 2nd rd pick its because it could've only happened that way.

u can't seriously believe that when teams routinely buy 2nd round picks in the draft for cash every single year.
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7/29/2008  11:49 PM
Yes they do but the ability to buy draft picks is kinda overrated. It would happen every time and it doesn't. We for example could've done it last draft but didn't. Maybe we tried and couldn't get it done.

My point is that I think that without the players involved in the trade, Denver would've found no reason to just sell the pick. And the most important piece of the deal for us isn't the pick, but the cap space and the more possible minutes for Chandler and Danilo.

Maybe we could've gotten more from Balkman, maybe not. But I doubt we get the pick without making the whole deal. Just doubting, not 100% sold on my theory either...

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7/29/2008  11:52 PM
We for example could've done it last draft but didn't. Maybe we tried and couldn't get it done.

the funny thing is that the reasoning being used to explain why we didn't do that was because we didn't have the roster spots to commit this year... meanwhile we're signing up someone like Roberson to a guaranteed contract, & then a week later trading away a former 1st rounder to clear up a roster spot & got nothing in return... there's alotta head scratchin' a goin' on over this one my friend.
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7/30/2008  6:28 AM
Posted by TMS:
We for example could've done it last draft but didn't. Maybe we tried and couldn't get it done.

the funny thing is that the reasoning being used to explain why we didn't do that was because we didn't have the roster spots to commit this year... meanwhile we're signing up someone like Roberson to a guaranteed contract, & then a week later trading away a former 1st rounder to clear up a roster spot & got nothing in return... there's alotta head scratchin' a goin' on over this one my friend.

TMS do you really think Balkman is a first rounder in any daft in the past 5 years in a draft where Isiah isn't making the pick?
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