Posted by TMS:

do u make these proclamations to get people on your case or do u actually believe u can fairly judge this before a single NBA game is even played? so Bayless is better than Michael Beasley? Derek Rose? OJ Mayo? Gallinari? better than your boy Anthony Randolph? better than everyone else taken in the draft? so basically 10 other teams made a huge mistake passing him up & you already know this based on Summer League play? wow dude... just wow.

What is going to change in the NBA--he still will have an incredible first step and the same quick great release jump shot--hes not guardable. He's much more athletic than Mayo with a more consistent jumpshot and ditto for Gordon. Actually I think he got drafted by the wrong team--certainly he wouldve been a coup for us.

Posted by fishmike:

is he going to be a better pro than Nate Robinson? Who probably has more PG skills..

What?

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by TMS:

do u make these proclamations to get people on your case or do u actually believe u can fairly judge this before a single NBA game is even played? so Bayless is better than Michael Beasley? Derek Rose? OJ Mayo? Gallinari? better than your boy Anthony Randolph? better than everyone else taken in the draft? so basically 10 other teams made a huge mistake passing him up & you already know this based on Summer League play? wow dude... just wow.

What is going to change in the NBA--he still will have an incredible first step and the same quick great release jump shot--hes not guardable. He's much more athletic than Mayo with a more consistent jumpshot and ditto for Gordon. Actually I think he got drafted by the wrong team--certainly he wouldve been a coup for us.

how many hyped up "future studs" do we see never live up to their hype every year? if the mandate is to hold off on final judgement on our own pick Gallinari until we see how he develops, then shouldn't that also hold true for other teams' draft picks?

Posted by TMS:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by TMS:

do u make these proclamations to get people on your case or do u actually believe u can fairly judge this before a single NBA game is even played? so Bayless is better than Michael Beasley? Derek Rose? OJ Mayo? Gallinari? better than your boy Anthony Randolph? better than everyone else taken in the draft? so basically 10 other teams made a huge mistake passing him up & you already know this based on Summer League play? wow dude... just wow.

What is going to change in the NBA--he still will have an incredible first step and the same quick great release jump shot--hes not guardable. He's much more athletic than Mayo with a more consistent jumpshot and ditto for Gordon. Actually I think he got drafted by the wrong team--certainly he wouldve been a coup for us.

how many hyped up "future studs" do we see never live up to their hype every year? if the mandate is to hold off on final judgement on our own pick Gallinari until we see how he develops, then shouldn't that also hold true for other teams' draft picks?

i think what briggs is saying is that the drafting of gallo, based on history, may have set us down a certain path, especially with d'antoni as the coach. and the chances of it working out bigtime aren't that high. I see why the knicks picked him, but imho, they should've taken a more high risk high reward pick or traded the pick altogether. again, they are putting ALOT of faith on d'antoni and 2010 cap space (which may or may not happen).

Posted by efw:

Posted by djsunyc:


i think what briggs is saying is that the drafting of gallo, based on history, may have set us down a certain path, especially with d'antoni as the coach. and the chances of it working out bigtime aren't that high. I see why the knicks picked him, but imho, they should've taken a more high risk high reward pick or traded the pick altogether. again, they are putting ALOT of faith on d'antoni and 2010 cap space (which may or may not happen).

I'd rather put faith in a coach, his system, and cap space rather than a draftee. You never know how a player will turn out. With the other options, you hedge your bets.

If Roberson and Duhon are the type of players that fit the system---then I have to wonder. Also we have no cap space until 2011 and we still have to sign Lee and Nate Robinson

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by TMS:

do u make these proclamations to get people on your case or do u actually believe u can fairly judge this before a single NBA game is even played? so Bayless is better than Michael Beasley? Derek Rose? OJ Mayo? Gallinari? better than your boy Anthony Randolph? better than everyone else taken in the draft? so basically 10 other teams made a huge mistake passing him up & you already know this based on Summer League play? wow dude... just wow.

What is going to change in the NBA--he still will have an incredible first step and the same quick great release jump shot--hes not guardable. He's much more athletic than Mayo with a more consistent jumpshot and ditto for Gordon. Actually I think he got drafted by the wrong team--certainly he wouldve been a coup for us.

how many hyped up "future studs" do we see never live up to their hype every year? if the mandate is to hold off on final judgement on our own pick Gallinari until we see how he develops, then shouldn't that also hold true for other teams' draft picks?

The only thing I have to worry about Gallinari is if he gets bumped the wrong way. Skinny-little Anthony Randolph played through injury and took hit after hit from all fo the big dudes and came out shining. Gallinari took one little jab and hes on his arse out of action.

Your assessment of Gallo being soft after taking a hit is way off. Gallo said he could have played through it, but the Knicks are being cautious considering he has only taken about 3 days off (According to reports out of Italy)since his season has ended. Not to mention he's playing in the olympics in a couple of weeks so its no need to force him to play in meaningless summerleague games.

Speaking of meaningless summerleague games, I watched Bayless in 3 of his games. Yes, he is a good shooter and has a quick first step, (note, I wanted Bayless with the 6th pick over Gallo and stated as much in draft threads) but some of the things he did in the summer will not translate during the real games. No way is he shooting 20+ freethrows as he has in a couple of games in the foul-plagued summer league. Also, whe he does get by his man like he does in summer league, he is not going all the way in for an uncontested layup. The lane will close during the regular season. I think Bayless will be good, but lets not annoint him the best of the draft based on summer league games.

Here's a clip of Bayless scoring 28 points in a summer league game. He is definitely a good combo guard, but there are enough combo guards in the NBA, NCAA, and in Europe. They are good spark plug of the bench, but are a defensive liability if they are asked to guard the prototypical NBA 2-guard, and I imagine the NBA 2-guard are going to be bigger and more athletic as the years will pass. Taking Gallanari before Bayless is still a good decision for the Knicks since he fits what the Knicks need, and will therefore get playing time to develop as a player. Bayless, on the other hand, needs the right team situation to be developed and used effectively, as in the Knicks will have to make specific roster manuevers just for the Bayless pick.

Unless Bayless is better a combo guard than AI, I woudn't regret the Gallanari pick. And even if he's better than Ben Gordon, he's still a defensive liability and I still wouldn't regret choosing Gallanari over Bayless.


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Posted by efw:

Posted by djsunyc:


i think what briggs is saying is that the drafting of gallo, based on history, may have set us down a certain path, especially with d'antoni as the coach. and the chances of it working out bigtime aren't that high. I see why the knicks picked him, but imho, they should've taken a more high risk high reward pick or traded the pick altogether. again, they are putting ALOT of faith on d'antoni and 2010 cap space (which may or may not happen).

I'd rather put faith in a coach, his system, and cap space rather than a draftee. You never know how a player will turn out. With the other options, you hedge your bets.

we are just discussing things here. we all know the knicks will be better. there's no questions about that. but since there's downtime right now before the season starts, we can fill in the time talking about the direction of the team.

i agree with you about putting faith in a coach/system. but for the sake of discussion, putting faith in d'antoni, imho, puts the team down a path where they can be successful, but ultimately, not championship successful. and that's ok but if the team is at the point of ground zero, and they want to build towards a title, i would've went with another coach. but again, i don't think winning the title is the "main objective" for this organization. it's to bring back excitement, make money, sell tickets and get back to the playoffs. which will all be achieved under d'alsh.

looking around the league, the suns style seems to be fazing out a little bit. the guy that brought it back initially was bryan colangelo. and it looked like he would initially continue that trend in toronto. but what's interesting is that he didn't hire a new coach - he kept defensive minded sam mitchell. he didn't change the roster where bosh would be the center, but he went out and got a 1/2 court defensive minded center in o'neal. it looks like colangelo changed his approach (after 2.5 season there) looking at the landscape of the league and that the tried and true practice of defense and big men that play defense is the way to go. even kerr changed it up and got shaq. dallas changed it up and got rid of nellie and brought in more defensive oriented players. (speaking of dallas, it looks like a team built w/ dirk as the franchise guy doesn't look to be so strong anymore). so it looks like those guys that wanted to go up and down are returning back to the defensive minded, halfcourt oriented team if they want to get to the elite level.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-20-2008 12:47 PM]

Posted by fishmike:

is he going to be a better pro than Nate Robinson? Who probably has more PG skills..

He's going to sh!t on little Nate.