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7/18/2008  8:12 PM
Considering Mardy's upside performace at the end of 2006 when he was nearly triple double a few times--adding in his injury---he should get a fair chance with Duhon to win the spot. He's a very nice passer rebounder defender from the 1 and can also score the ball at an unusual 6-6 215 pounds for a PG.
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7/18/2008  8:18 PM
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7/18/2008  8:49 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Considering Mardy's upside performace at the end of 2006 when he was nearly triple double a few times--adding in his injury---he should get a fair chance with Duhon to win the spot. He's a very nice passer rebounder defender from the 1 and can also score the ball at an unusual 6-6 215 pounds for a PG.

First, its summer league (Nate was MVP last year). Second, Duhon has to compete with Marbury, Robinson and Collins for minutes. Yeah, Marbury is probably gone, but everyone has to earn their spot. Duhon isn't walking into the starting job. Duhon and Mardy, so far, are career backups. You want PT...gotta earn your minutes.

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7/18/2008  8:54 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Considering Mardy's upside performace at the end of 2006 when he was nearly triple double a few times--adding in his injury---he should get a fair chance with Duhon to win the spot. He's a very nice passer rebounder defender from the 1 and can also score the ball at an unusual 6-6 215 pounds for a PG.

I'm just glad we are talking about Collins and Duhon competing for the spot, instead of having to talk about starbury the last five years. It's so refreshing.
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7/18/2008  8:55 PM
Posted by EwingsGlass:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Considering Mardy's upside performace at the end of 2006 when he was nearly triple double a few times--adding in his injury---he should get a fair chance with Duhon to win the spot. He's a very nice passer rebounder defender from the 1 and can also score the ball at an unusual 6-6 215 pounds for a PG.

First, its summer league (Nate was MVP last year). Second, Duhon has to compete with Marbury, Robinson and Collins for minutes. Yeah, Marbury is probably gone, but everyone has to earn their spot. Duhon isn't walking into the starting job. Duhon and Mardy, so far, are career backups. You want PT...gotta earn your minutes.

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7/18/2008  9:05 PM
When Mardy was mentioned to Mike D, during the interview for todays game, he didn't say much about him. His respose about Mardy was tempered while he didn't hold back when talking about Chandler. That basically leads me to believe that Chandler is in the plans and Mardy most likely isn't unless he wows Mike D in fall.

Mardy doesn't strike me as a Player that Mike D would be a fan of. Mardy doesn't really push the tempo, and is not a good shooter. When talking about his guards, Mike almost always mentions shooting, and the ability to push and share the ball. Mardy shares the ball, but he lacks in the other 2 categories.
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7/18/2008  9:22 PM
Start? No. The guy is fighting to stay in the league. Such is life when you're a mediocre athlete & range on your J = 5 feet.
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7/18/2008  9:37 PM
Posted by Uptown:

When Mardy was mentioned to Mike D, during the interview for todays game, he didn't say much about him. His respose about Mardy was tempered while he didn't hold back when talking about Chandler. That basically leads me to believe that Chandler is in the plans and Mardy most likely isn't unless he wows Mike D in fall.

Mardy doesn't strike me as a Player that Mike D would be a fan of. Mardy doesn't really push the tempo, and is not a good shooter. When talking about his guards, Mike almost always mentions shooting, and the ability to push and share the ball. Mardy shares the ball, but he lacks in the other 2 categories.

You don't want to look at Duhon's stats then they are disgusting.
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7/18/2008  10:41 PM
I think what some people forget....when Mardy had those numbers he was playing some serious minutes (51, 47 and 46).
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7/18/2008  11:01 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Uptown:

When Mardy was mentioned to Mike D, during the interview for todays game, he didn't say much about him. His respose about Mardy was tempered while he didn't hold back when talking about Chandler. That basically leads me to believe that Chandler is in the plans and Mardy most likely isn't unless he wows Mike D in fall.

Mardy doesn't strike me as a Player that Mike D would be a fan of. Mardy doesn't really push the tempo, and is not a good shooter. When talking about his guards, Mike almost always mentions shooting, and the ability to push and share the ball. Mardy shares the ball, but he lacks in the other 2 categories.

You don't want to look at Duhon's stats then they are disgusting.


Your preaching to the choir. I was not a fan of picking up Duhon. However, I kind of agree with D'Antoni when he siad that Duhon showed more shooting-potential in college than he has so far in the NBA. Obviously, its a different game with better athletes, and the three point line is further back, but I thought coming out of college, he would be better at this point than he has shown thus far.
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7/18/2008  11:58 PM
I hope Mardy gets a chance to compete for the starting PG spot. He just needs to shoot the ball with confidence.
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7/19/2008  12:46 AM
Posted by Uptown:

When Mardy was mentioned to Mike D, during the interview for todays game, he didn't say much about him. His respose about Mardy was tempered while he didn't hold back when talking about Chandler. That basically leads me to believe that Chandler is in the plans and Mardy most likely isn't unless he wows Mike D in fall.

Mardy doesn't strike me as a Player that Mike D would be a fan of. Mardy doesn't really push the tempo, and is not a good shooter. When talking about his guards, Mike almost always mentions shooting, and the ability to push and share the ball. Mardy shares the ball, but he lacks in the other 2 categories.

Just gonna talk about the same thing but Uptown beat me to it. D'Antoni gushed over Chandler ("he should dominate on both ends, nobody on the court has as much talent") and Robinson ("he's gonna be a regular rotation player") but seemed undecided on Mardy. He said things like, "we're gonna have to see how the roster shapes out," not a good sign, although he did acknowledge a little later that he's having a good summer league, calling him a smart player who was taught well at Temple under Chaney.

Myself, I've always loved Mardy's game. He's big, heady/crafty, has great hands on defense, more than a decent passer, and always looks very smooth and in control to me. More pluses: He's lost more than 15 pounds, appears to be over the knee problems and also looks much more comfortable at the foul line. He's really seems much more confident at the FT line, shooting them with a noticibly higher arc than what I remember.

I agree that at first glance he doesn't appear to be a D'Antoni-type player, but I really have a hard time believing D'Antoni looks at Collins as a guy who can't help him win games. He's not flashy and it's obvious by some of the comments around here that he'll never be a crowd favorite but he's your classic glue-guy, a guy that gives you nothing but intagibles. I disagree totally with some who believe he's fighting to stay in the league - on the contrary, I actually think he's got a fairly bright future ahead of him. Whether he competes with Duhon for a starting role is unclear and really unimportant - I just wanna see the Knicks KEEP HIM and PLAY HIM. He can really help us in a lot of different ways....
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7/19/2008  1:17 AM
Yo man, Even I can drop 50pts in the park depending on the comp. When training camp comes and pre-season starts Mardy has to out play Duhon, Nate, roberson, Craw, and maybe even Marbs.....I bet he plays his role.....dear in the headlights bull****.
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7/19/2008  8:11 AM
Posted by EwingsGlass:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Considering Mardy's upside performace at the end of 2006 when he was nearly triple double a few times--adding in his injury---he should get a fair chance with Duhon to win the spot. He's a very nice passer rebounder defender from the 1 and can also score the ball at an unusual 6-6 215 pounds for a PG.

First, its summer league (Nate was MVP last year). Second, Duhon has to compete with Marbury, Robinson and Collins for minutes. Yeah, Marbury is probably gone, but everyone has to earn their spot. Duhon isn't walking into the starting job. Duhon and Mardy, so far, are career backups. You want PT...gotta earn your minutes.

I just want to see Mardy given the chance to compete for it. I hope there is no pre-determined annointment of Duhon and competition is a good thing in sports. When Mardyt has had a chance with extended minutes when healthy--he has played well. He doesnt have the best jump shot but it appears as if it improved a bit. I agree on the SL thing to a degree--there are going to be some over-inflated stats and play from some guys who just wont translate well into the nBA but then again there are others that will.
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7/19/2008  12:08 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Considering Mardy's upside performace at the end of 2006 when he was nearly triple double a few times--adding in his injury---he should get a fair chance with Duhon to win the spot. He's a very nice passer rebounder defender from the 1 and can also score the ball at an unusual 6-6 215 pounds for a PG.
Mardy should play good. This is summer league. As a matter of fact he should be dominating summer league not playing that regular player role. Like JVG said, "if you can't play good in summer league then you really need to question yourself." Not only that what is the advantage of having Mardy on the court over Duhon? Keep in mind that Mardy is also not getting pressured to bring up the ball in summer league.

Hell Fred Jones if the Knicks did not let him go would have been better at pg than Mardy.
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7/19/2008  12:52 PM
I actually think Mardy gets a bad rap. Last year was a bust due to his being out of shape from the surgery. This year he is in great shape and if given some attention and time to play, I think he'd be an excellent back up. His D is the best of all the guards. He bounds, drives and passes. I think he'd be an asset. We're talking about a reserve guard here people and you could easily do worse.

The problem for Mardy is that he's just not a Mike D kind of player. The energy level isn't there. He does tend to bring the ball up somewhat slow and he never seems to be in a hurry to do anything. Mike loves guys with a great motor and quick thinking ability. Mardy always seems to be processing things a bit longer than you'd like. Then you add that he's not a lights out shooter and he could end up out of the picture for someone who fits the system better.
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7/19/2008  1:41 PM
Mardy Collins is not ready for the show at MSG.

The guy is a nervous wreck against real NBA starters,his decision making is horrid and he also lacks confidence going up against aggressive pg's.

Mardy's shot release is slow and mechanical, offensively he will be the guy outside of D.Lee that oppossing teams leaves open on offense.


The only time you will see mardy shine is when it's against inferior competition or the pressure isn't on in the game.

Mardy Collins must have a great attitude because he's definetly D-League material.


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7/19/2008  1:45 PM
Mardy is a sleepy sloth.



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Posted by nixluva:

I actually think Mardy gets a bad rap. Last year was a bust due to his being out of shape from the surgery. This year he is in great shape and if given some attention and time to play, I think he'd be an excellent back up. His D is the best of all the guards. He bounds, drives and passes. I think he'd be an asset. We're talking about a reserve guard here people and you could easily do worse.

The problem for Mardy is that he's just not a Mike D kind of player. The energy level isn't there. He does tend to bring the ball up somewhat slow and he never seems to be in a hurry to do anything. Mike loves guys with a great motor and quick thinking ability. Mardy always seems to be processing things a bit longer than you'd like. Then you add that he's not a lights out shooter and he could end up out of the picture for someone who fits the system better.

Your second paragraph pretty much says it all. I will add that I think D'Antoni could live with some of his weaknesses, but the lack of a consistent outside jumper is the one that will drive him crazy. I've watched the 3 games so far, and his J is still undependable. I am actually rooting for him, and thought after game1 that he might have worked on his J to the point where you could depend on it, but in games 2 & 3 he has not impressed me with the outside shot. Yes, I know this is SL, but a jump shot is a jump shot, and I would assume that Mardy knew it was an issue that might be looked at in these games. Even though I have my doubts about Roberson, and would like to see him distribute a little more, he seemed to know that D'Antoni was looking for a shooter and he made sure that D'Antoni saw what he could do.

Hopefully Collins will be shooting better during training camp, but based on SL, I don't know if he will make the Knicks final cut. I am rooting for him because of some of the non-shooting things he can do on a court, but putting the ball through the hoop from distance is a necessity for D'Antoni.


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7/19/2008  2:13 PM
I don't think Mardy ever lost the 'right' to compete for starting PG. D'Antoni genuinely sounds as if he will let the players earn these spots. Money will no longer be the deciding factor.

Yesterday during the SL game, D'Antoni was discussing Duhon. It sounded like he considered him a solid backup that was simply brought in to help stabilize the back court than run it himself.

If Mardy can keep up the intensity and the jumper, he has as good of a chance as anyone. Even Nate has a strong chance if he can show he can distribute the ball.
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