“I have learned that the Clippers’ offer to the Knicks for Zach Randolph last week was much more audacious than first suspected. In addition to Randolph, they wanted the Knicks to send them a first-round pick and $3 million in exchange for Brevin Knight. The Knicks said no.”
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/ian_thomsen/07/18/weekly.countdown/1.html

Thats Isiah residue, I guess GM's are used to the Knicks being their own candy shop --- they were definitely trying to rip us off.

With Zach gone, the Knicks would have been a guaranteed lottery pick. That trade would have been impossible to justify on a variety of levels.

Funny how he didn't bother to mentioned how he learned where he got his information from. Why didn't they demand a first round pick from the Nuggets and how did the Nuggets get the 2nd round pick from the Clippers which was rumored the same deal that Clippers offer. As TMS would say, I would like Mike Dunleavy to confirm this report because I think it is Walsh fluff piece.

Funny how in a matter of two weeks, a GM goes from willing to trade Randolph and a # 6 pick to get rid of his contract but now is unwilling to trade him for a future 1st round pick. The kool-aid continues to flow. Also, funny how Walsh backers said they were willing to do the trade at the cost of the #6 pick but based on this story are glad he supposely didn't make the trade.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Funny how he didn't bother to mentioned how he learned where he got his information from. Why didn't they demand a first round pick from the Nuggets and how did the Nuggets get the 2nd round pick from the Clippers which was rumored the same deal that Clippers offer. As TMS would say, I would like Mike Dunleavy to confirm this report because I think it is Walsh fluff piece.

He was also the guy who intially reported the trade as Zach for a 2.

Next rumor.....lets just ignore the ****

Freakin sports writers are starting riots in sports forums.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by Pharzeone:

Funny how in a matter of two weeks, a GM goes from willing to trade Randolph and a # 6 pick to get rid of his contract but now is unwilling to trade him for a future 1st round pick. The kool-aid continues to flow. Also, funny how Walsh backers said they were willing to do the trade at the cost of the #6 pick but based on this story are glad he supposely didn't make the trade.

I was always against trading the #6 pick to unload Zach. Isles and TrueBlue were the 2 most vocal supporters on that front.

There's a big difference between giving up the #6 pick to get Brevin Knight vs. to get the #16 pick (the deal those posteres and I supported).

both are caca.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Funny how in a matter of two weeks, a GM goes from willing to trade Randolph and a # 6 pick to get rid of his contract but now is unwilling to trade him for a future 1st round pick. The kool-aid continues to flow. Also, funny how Walsh backers said they were willing to do the trade at the cost of the #6 pick but based on this story are glad he supposely didn't make the trade.

the Philly deal was already dispelled by Stefanski as being completely false, so that much we know was never on the table, at least from Philly's side... Walsh may have been willing to trade down or not to unload Zach, who knows... all i know is the rumor about the Clips asking for a 1st round pick from the Knicks to take Zach's contract off our hands sounds more believable to me than Walsh turning down a deal that would have netted him great cap space & a 2nd round pick for Zach.

Posted by Cosmic:

Sounds like damage control to me.

We'll never know either way but it sounds like damage control.

All we hear forever is it was Zach for a 2nd rounder. Then Camby gets traded for that 2nd rounder.

Now suddenly there's sources claiming the Clippers wanted a whole lot more?

Yeah, not really believable, one way or another, someone is full of it.

Even before the trade was made, the same SI reporter who reported this new news, also reported the "Zach for a 2nd rounder deal" and also reported Zach for cap-fodder. This all came from the same writer. He gave 3 scenarios in the matter of a week, I don't think he really knew what he was talking about.

Posted by martin:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by Pharzeone:

Funny how in a matter of two weeks, a GM goes from willing to trade Randolph and a # 6 pick to get rid of his contract but now is unwilling to trade him for a future 1st round pick. The kool-aid continues to flow. Also, funny how Walsh backers said they were willing to do the trade at the cost of the #6 pick but based on this story are glad he supposely didn't make the trade.

I was always against trading the #6 pick to unload Zach. Isles and TrueBlue were the 2 most vocal supporters on that front.

There's a big difference between giving up the #6 pick to get Brevin Knight vs. to get the #16 pick (the deal those posteres and I supported).

both are caca.

Fufu caca.

One for the BS meter
I have a great deal of respect for Ian Thomsen, but this note in his most recent web column had my head scratching:

I have learned that the Clippers' offer to the Knicks for Zach Randolph last week was much more audacious than first suspected. In addition to Randolph, they wanted the Knicks to send them a first-round pick and $3 million in exchange for Brevin Knight. The Knicks said no.

Whoa, we're to believe Donnie Walsh listened to this offer and hung up his phone and left it turned off? Knight makes just $2 million in the final year -- a cheap and easy waive/buyout -- and that first-rounder, well, let's start negotiating there.

Again, to get out from under the Zach Randolph contract you have to do creative things.

Speaking of creative, don't think for a minute that this wasn't slipped to Mr. Thomsen -- who first reported of the Clippers' interest in Z-Bo -- as an explanation for Walsh, who didn't look good after the Nuggets took a second-rounder to dump Marcus Camby's contract. That's not a shot at Thomsen whatsoever. You're a reporter you report what you hear, not what you think may be fiction.

But even after I read this scenario I still think you could have come up with a solution before the Nuggets got involved.

Donnie's clearly in no rush to get something done on the payroll front. Think about it, all he's done so far is add salary, not subtract it. You have to believe he has a plan. It's still early in the summer....

Just bloggin'.
Posted by Alan Hahn on July 19, 2008 8:48 AM


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