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Cookdcokehop
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7/15/2008  5:58 PM
Maciej Lampe selected to the 2003 Reebok Rocky Mountain All-Revue Team after averaging 17.2 points and 7.0 rebounds in 32.4 minutes for the Knicks' summer league...just throwing that out there.
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7/15/2008  6:01 PM
Whats the point? You can find players that succeeded in SL. and who also succeeded in the league and vice versa.

Instead of just posting meaningless stats, tell us why you think Gallo's and Lampe's games are comparable, and why Gallo will follow Lampe's bellyFLOP into the NBA pool...If thats why you're hinting at.
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7/15/2008  6:02 PM
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7/15/2008  6:04 PM
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7/15/2008  6:06 PM
To be fair Lampe was a better prospect than Gallinari so I am not expecting those honors.
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7/15/2008  6:09 PM
how? he sunk all the way to damn near the second round. Remember that also he was coming out during a time when Euro's could heal the blind with one touch according to scouts and all the hype, so who knows how good he ever was in the first place.

They're a lot more critical now.
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7/15/2008  6:14 PM
Posted by sebstar:

how? he sunk all the way to damn near the second round. Remember that also he was coming out during a time when Euro's could heal the blind with one touch according to scouts and all the hype, so who knows how good he ever was in the first place.

They're a lot more critical now.

Oh no my friend that was only 5 years ago. Scouts just didn't get a revelation this year. Lampe was ranked above Dwayne Wade on many mock drafts. As Chad Ford reminds everyone who gets on him. Lampe supposely dropped due to his buy-out clause in his contract.
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7/15/2008  6:17 PM
Totally different eras. Now the scouting is much better and the NBA isn't looking to take as many chances on unproven Euros anymore. Remember teams were taking U.S. kids right outta high School and Euros before they even had a chance to grow facial hair. Now that's not happening. Gallo is legit IMO. No one is saying he's a lock to be a superstar, but he could really be good.

i find it odd that after years of not taking any Euro players and complaining, Now that we do finally take a guy who has all the usual Euro strengths, plus toughness, people want to rag on him. WHY? The kid has so much going for him and you'd have to be really biased against him not to admit that he's a much better prospect than Lampe, regardless of SL stats. SL stats were never the point. You have to look at signs that aren't necessarily gonna show up in the boxscore.
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7/15/2008  6:19 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by sebstar:

how? he sunk all the way to damn near the second round. Remember that also he was coming out during a time when Euro's could heal the blind with one touch according to scouts and all the hype, so who knows how good he ever was in the first place.

They're a lot more critical now.

Oh no my friend that was only 5 years ago. Scouts just didn't get a revelation this year. Lampe was ranked above Dwayne Wade on many mock drafts. As Chad Ford reminds everyone who gets on him. Lampe supposely dropped due to his buy-out clause in his contract.

Oh, ok. The buy-out clause explains it. But yeah, that was the era that produced us Skitisvilli as a # 5 pick and the mental-meltdowns that would have Lampe ahead of D.Wade.

In those days the Euros were one rung above Jesus, Martin Luther King, and Ghandi. And one rung below George W. Bush and Toby Keith in the pecking order of history and life.

[Edited by - sebstar on 07-15-2008 6:20 PM]
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7/15/2008  6:26 PM
As I've said a million times already, Summer-League stats mean absolutely JACK. The more important thing is how a player moves out on the court, what kind of feel he displays. If I remember correctly, Lampe was for the most part just a jumpshooter. If you're tall (which Lampe was) and you can stroke it, then chances are you are going to have great summer-league stats because there is a dearth of big men who are actually half-decent playing in the league.

Again, it's only 1 summer-league game but from what I saw in that game from Galo, I saw a player who wasn't afraid to go up against Tractor Traylor, a great crossover, a good lefthand, a pure J, a great motor hustling all over the place, and an able and willing passer. These things are more important than him scoring 20 points because he was wide open hanging out on the perimeter the whole time.
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7/15/2008  6:27 PM
I'm just saying 6'10 shooters that can handle the rock. I remember what it was like when Lampe was drafted. People were crowning him the next Dirk. Lampe was also in the best NBA Draft (2003) that I have ever seen ( Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Anthony, Kaman, Hinrich, Ford, Pietrus, D. West, Diaw, Outlaw, Delfino, Perkins, Barbosa, J. Howard). No way he gets drafted SIXTH overall in that draft. He fell to the second round like Mo Williams, Luke Walton, and Kyle Korver. Gallinari is compared to Hedo Turkoglu, who had his breakout season at the age of 29 and is no where as good as Dirk. Gallinari struggled to score 14 in a easier draft class. Lampe was dropping 17 & 7 easily in a harder draft class. Lampe is no longer in the NBA. Where will Gallinari be in 3 years?
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7/15/2008  6:29 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Totally different eras. Now the scouting is much better and the NBA isn't looking to take as many chances on unproven Euros anymore. Remember teams were taking U.S. kids right outta high School and Euros before they even had a chance to grow facial hair. Now that's not happening. Gallo is legit IMO. No one is saying he's a lock to be a superstar, but he could really be good.

i find it odd that after years of not taking any Euro players and complaining, Now that we do finally take a guy who has all the usual Euro strengths, plus toughness, people want to rag on him. WHY? The kid has so much going for him and you'd have to be really biased against him not to admit that he's a much better prospect than Lampe, regardless of SL stats. SL stats were never the point. You have to look at signs that aren't necessarily gonna show up in the boxscore.

You seem like a nice guy but what is it with you and the kool-aid. Lampe was considered the better prospect coming in the draft than Gallinari. It's a matter of fact. Gallinari is compared to Hedo on a lot of boards, Lampe was compared to Dirk. He was rated higher than players like Wade and Bosh. Considered the 2nd best European prospect behind Darko. BTW, what's wrong with using Lampe, his SL games were very good. You are so blinded by desire to make him an all-star that you are losing it.


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7/15/2008  6:32 PM
I'm just saying 6'10 shooters that can handle the rock. I remember what it was like when Lampe was drafted. People were crowning him the next Dirk. Lampe was also in the best NBA Draft (2003) that I have ever seen ( Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Anthony, Kaman, Hinrich, Ford, Pietrus, D. West, Diaw, Outlaw, Delfino, Perkins, Barbosa, J. Howard). No way he gets drafted SIXTH overall in that draft. He fell to the second round like Mo Williams, Luke Walton, and Kyle Korver. Gallinari is compared to Hedo Turkoglu, who had his breakout season at the age of 29 and is no where as good as Dirk. Gallinari struggled to score 14 in a easier draft class. Lampe was dropping 17 & 7 easily in a harder draft class. Lampe is no longer in the NBA. Where will Gallinari be in 3 years?

Back then EVERY Euro over 6'6 was the next Dirk...EVERY Euro was better than American players.

Scouting is more complete now, and the Euro hype went the way of Reggaeton. '03 is a poor reference point. Again, fluck the scouts, tell us what YOU see.

[Edited by - sebstar on 07-15-2008 6:34 PM]
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7/15/2008  6:36 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

I'm just saying 6'10 shooters that can handle the rock. I remember what it was like when Lampe was drafted. People were crowning him the next Dirk. Lampe was also in the best NBA Draft (2003) that I have ever seen ( Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Anthony, Kaman, Hinrich, Ford, Pietrus, D. West, Diaw, Outlaw, Delfino, Perkins, Barbosa, J. Howard). No way he gets drafted SIXTH overall in that draft. He fell to the second round like Mo Williams, Luke Walton, and Kyle Korver. Gallinari is compared to Hedo Turkoglu, who had his breakout season at the age of 29 and is no where as good as Dirk. Gallinari struggled to score 14 in a easier draft class. Lampe was dropping 17 & 7 easily in a harder draft class. Lampe is no longer in the NBA. Where will Gallinari be in 3 years?

That's my point about Lampe. He was compared to Dirk and not Hedo. And now after 5 years scouts get it right because of what because they got it wrong with Lampe and Darko. Who knows what Gallinari will be. He could be an all time great and special (like nixluva predicts) or outta the league like playa predicts. But it seems like everyone has an agenda when it comes to this kid.
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7/15/2008  6:37 PM
Maciej Lampe
Lampe shot the ball well, showed his impressive ball-handling skills and ran the floor pretty well. Lampe lacks the explosive jumping ability of some of the other top prospects, but a report that he couldn't dunk the ball off one foot is ridiculous.

He went through a drill where he had to run to the free throw line, pick up the ball and dunk it 10 times. He didn't have a problem. Toward the end of the workout, Lampe did get winded, and he struggled to hit his NBA 3-pointers.

Lampe measured 7-feet with shoes and had a 7-foot wingspan.

After the workout, the feedback was very positive. Both teams liked his sweet shooting stroke, ball handling skills and general feel for the game. While neither team is expected to draft Lampe that high, source on both teams confirmed later they believe he's a lock for the mid to late lottery.


Danilo Gallinari
Strengths: Long and crafty player who has a knack for scoring … Has become a very consistent shooter and can light it up from deep … He is able to make shots in a variety of ways: contested, off the dribble (both ways), stepbacks, fadeaways … Put together an impressive season in one of the top European leagues and has shown that he can carry the load as the primary scorer … Is very mature for his age, plays with great confidence and composure … Has an awkward 2 step (he is able to alter his speed and change direction once he picks up his dribble) going to the basket, allowing him to get by people and finish around the basket … Shows patience when making moves, getting his defender off balance with a variety of fakes and jabs … Knows how to draw contact and sell the foul to the refs … When a defender cuts off his angle to the basket, he has a very effective up & under that he utilizes even out to 15 feet … Anticipates well and uses his length to disrupt the passing lanes … Has developed a scorers mentality, but there are obvious glimpses where he shows a good feel for the game and ability to find open teammates …

Weaknesses: A high level European player does not always equal a contributor in the NBA … His body has ways to go before it will be on the NBA level … Athleticism and explosiveness are just averageStruggles dribbling the ball against physical defenders (we saw this yesterday) which hurts even more considering his blow by ability is limited … His secondary moves off the dribble are subpar and he is often forced to shoot difficult and offbalance shots … Tends to dribble the ball high and even looks down on it as he is attacking, hurting his court vision and decision making … Has minimal elevation on his jumpshot, he is more of a set shooter and his release is very robotic and lacks fluidness … His legs are stiff which makes his movements seem a bit awkward and it takes away from his quickness … While he has good height, he is strictly a perimeter player as he has minimal back to the basket moves and his weak frame also makes him a non threat in the post … His rebounding numbers are only decent, for a player at his position, getting major minutes, they should be higher … Defensively he is a liability; he gambles too much, plays with his hands down and is undisciplined … Marginal foot speed and a weak body will leave his opponents salivating in excitement to abuse the mismatch …


Maciej Lampe was drafted at 18. Danilo Gallinari is going to be 20 next month.
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7/15/2008  6:39 PM
Does anyone really remember anything about Lampe's game? How would you describe it? Please compare and contrast what you personally remember from Lampe to what you have seen from the Big Cock.

Lampe was very young when he was drafted. He was 3 months into his 18th year. He probably needed 3 more years of seasoning. I wouldn't be surprised if he made another run at the NBA.

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7/15/2008  6:39 PM
Most of these comps were made by idiots.
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7/15/2008  6:42 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

As I've said a million times already, Summer-League stats mean absolutely JACK. The more important thing is how a player moves out on the court, what kind of feel he displays. If I remember correctly, Lampe was for the most part just a jumpshooter. If you're tall (which Lampe was) and you can stroke it, then chances are you are going to have great summer-league stats because there is a dearth of big men who are actually half-decent playing in the league.

Again, it's only 1 summer-league game but from what I saw in that game from Galo, I saw a player who wasn't afraid to go up against Tractor Traylor, a great crossover, a good lefthand, a pure J, a great motor hustling all over the place, and an able and willing passer. These things are more important than him scoring 20 points because he was wide open hanging out on the perimeter the whole time.

I actually thought Lampe had a great SL and show many of those qualities. I admit I like Gallinari determination and hustle more than Lampe but I think Lampe's upside was better than Gallinari. I thought when he was traded to the Suns the guy would take off in Mike D' system but he didn't. Like what has been said the same could be said of NCAA players.
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7/15/2008  6:45 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:


I actually thought Lampe had a great SL and show many of those qualities. I admit I like Gallinari determination and hustle more than Lampe but I think Lampe's upside was better than Gallinari. I thought when he was traded to the Suns the guy would take off in Mike D' system but he didn't. Like what has been said the same could be said of NCAA players.

I'm not arguing, I'm just asking here.. what do you like better about Lampe's upside back then that makes it better than Gallos?
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7/15/2008  6:54 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Pharzeone:


I actually thought Lampe had a great SL and show many of those qualities. I admit I like Gallinari determination and hustle more than Lampe but I think Lampe's upside was better than Gallinari. I thought when he was traded to the Suns the guy would take off in Mike D' system but he didn't. Like what has been said the same could be said of NCAA players.

I'm not arguing, I'm just asking here.. what do you like better about Lampe's upside back then that makes it better than Gallos?

From what I saw yesterday from Gallo, Lampe had a better perimeter jumpshot, but I'm not going to base it on one game. Lampe was younger and taller when drafted with a similar skill set to Gallo's so that instantly gives him a higher ceiling because he would have more time to develop. Lampe played against harder competition in his summer league ('03 draft) and was the best in the Summer League. The fans were also more responsive to the drafting of Lampe than that of Gallo. Lampe was considered a steal where we drafted him.
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