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EnySpree
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7/14/2008  8:33 PM
Where are my scouts?

How does Wilson, Gallo, Collins, and Roberson amongst others in the game compare to current NBA players?

How much has Chandler improved? What did you notice about his game?

Gallo? What was clear to you while watching him? What can he do and who does he clearly remind you of?

Same for Collins or whoever you want to scout.....

Please give what your eyes saw and not what you project them to be......

Example: Gallo's crossover was described as "rucker". Ok explain that more. Was it really fancy or was it more like a clumsy Lee Nailon crossover? Or a simple KVH cross

I still haven't seen the game but I should be able to contribute my take after this evenings rewind around 11pm or so.
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7/14/2008  8:46 PM
damn u lazy caca... we got all the scouting reports for u on the sticky thread

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=27731&page=1
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7/14/2008  8:53 PM
Wilson Chandler had a monster game. Almost looked like he didnt belong on this summer league team. Played well on both ends of the court. Very Marionesque. His jumpshot was consistent and his handle is vastly improved (however still needs improvement). Might be able to start next year.

Danillo Galinari seemed like he didn't belong in the NBA in the first half, but towards the end of the second quarter he showed promise. He has good form on his J even though he didnt hit a 3, you can see he is a shooter. He also has good handles. The CROSSOVER was the same crossover God Shamgod (Youtube him) used to do in college. Gallo showed great hustle must his overall defense was mediocre at best. He isn't as strong as people claim he is. Was pushed around down low on defense and when he was driving 9 even though I thought he got fouled alot). Probably won't start next year but he has upside.

Balkman was Balkman. He showed a slightly improved handle but overall the same player.

Mardy Collins was the most complete player in my eyes. He was all over the place. He picked up the passing duties because Roberson's passing skills are quite limited. Mardy definately impressed today. He lost weight and gained some quickness and hops ( almost made a monster slam on two defenders from the dotted line). His progression might give Nate some thing to worry about.

If the New York Knicks are the Eastern Conference PHX then Roberson is a poor man's Leandro Barbosa. He doesn't have Barbosa's speed or handle but he can shoot the **** out of the ball. Might make the team for instant offense but we have Nate and Nate is better.

I was looking for more from Delonte Holland. Within 10 seconds of being put into the game he hit a 20 ft jumpshot. Too bad that was his only shot. I tried to focus on his defense but he wasnt in the game long enough.

Von Wafer wasn't that great either.

Everyone else didn't get enough playing time to judge.
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7/14/2008  8:56 PM
Posted by TMS:

damn u lazy caca... we got all the scouting reports for u on the sticky thread

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=27731&page=1

I'm looking for a more hardcore scouting report minus the bull**** jokin around from the game thread.

If guys can clean it up then we can really get into a basketball discussion.
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7/14/2008  8:57 PM
This is what Gallo did
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7/14/2008  8:57 PM
This is what Gallo did
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7/14/2008  9:01 PM
the most encouraging thing i saw was Chandler hitting open jumpshots from distance in "crunchtime" (if there is such a thing in SL that is)... Mardy was penetrating to the lane & dishing to open teammates but i've seen him do that before in stretches during real games... the key is consistency for all young players... they will show flashes of brilliance one day & then revert to bad habits the next... this is why we need to wait til we see them over the long haul to fully judge where they've progressed in their games.

hopefully Chandler & Gallo show enough in SL so that it practically ensures Jared Fishlips gets zero playing time next season unless it's in garbage time... i'm thinking D Lee will be used to back up Curry this season since we're lacking a backup C, & Gallo will get minutes backing up Zach at the 4 when Chandler's in the rotation... at least that's how i would hope it would go down.

[Edited by - TMS on 07-14-2008 6:02 PM]
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7/14/2008  9:06 PM
btw, here's the boxscore (Gallo got all his pts in the 2nd half):

http://www.nba.com/summerleague2008/games/boxscore.jsp?gameId=1520800013

[Edited by - TMS on 07-14-2008 6:07 PM]
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7/14/2008  9:09 PM
Ok the shammgod crossover......a lot of the euro's seemed to have adapted it. Great move.

How would you describe Gallo's handle? Was it like Kukoc? Where he mainly just kinda glided around and changed direction? Was he more of a stand straight up with his head up kinda guy like Hedo? Was their hesitation like the way KVH does it? Or was it more loosey goosey like odom's?

How quick was his form? Was it Peja Quick? Mike Redd quick? Does it look clean? And hitches?

Speaking of hitches.....did Collins clean up his shooting hitch?
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7/14/2008  9:16 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Ok the shammgod crossover......a lot of the euro's seemed to have adapted it. Great move.

How would you describe Gallo's handle? Was it like Kukoc? Where he mainly just kinda glided around and changed direction? Was he more of a stand straight up with his head up kinda guy like Hedo? Was their hesitation like the way KVH does it? Or was it more loosey goosey like odom's?

How quick was his form? Was it Peja Quick? Mike Redd quick? Does it look clean? And hitches?

Speaking of hitches.....did Collins clean up his shooting hitch?

My description of Gallinari is that of Hedo (which would very wonderful). I think he has a better BB IQ than Hedo though. He ran the point forward well in setting up his teammates. He has a smooth jumper. No weird mechanics, very natural shooter. Collins stroke the ball well. Looks like he worked hard on his jumper.
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7/14/2008  9:20 PM
Roberson can stroke it but he is a ball hog. Chandler had to actually instruct him to come back to bring up the ball on one occassion because he was so busy getting himself setup. As mentioned in other threads he is a blackhole. To me he did not work hard on setting up others or defense. I thought he was suppose to play point. He is a 6'2" shooting guard.
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7/14/2008  9:24 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Ok the shammgod crossover......a lot of the euro's seemed to have adapted it. Great move.

How would you describe Gallo's handle? Was it like Kukoc? Where he mainly just kinda glided around and changed direction? Was he more of a stand straight up with his head up kinda guy like Hedo? Was their hesitation like the way KVH does it? Or was it more loosey goosey like odom's?

How quick was his form? Was it Peja Quick? Mike Redd quick? Does it look clean? And hitches?

Speaking of hitches.....did Collins clean up his shooting hitch?

Gallo has Bird like tendencies.

1. Very good handle for a big man.
2. Quick release on his shot.
3. Very good form on his shots and can hit the long ball even though he missed his 2 3-pt attempts they were really far.
4. No fear driving to the basket and he can take his man to hole almost at will.
5. Seemed to have a really good BBall IQ.
6. Looked to get everyone involved as his passing and vision is very good.
7. He has good lateral movement for a euro as he was able to stay in front of his man with arms up. He actually had a couple of blocks.
8. Needs to work on strength.
9. Very high motor and hustles.

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7/14/2008  9:26 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:


If the New York Knicks are the Eastern Conference PHX then Roberson is a poor man's Leandro Barbosa. He doesn't have Barbosa's speed or handle but he can shoot the **** out of the ball. Might make the team for instant offense but we have Nate and Nate is better.

didn't see it, but if that's accurate Roberson should get a spot on the team. The Knicks have so many bums on the team they can't really worry about superfluous players... just have the ability to get as many players with quality potential on the court as possible.
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7/14/2008  9:28 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Ok the shammgod crossover......a lot of the euro's seemed to have adapted it. Great move.

He did it real natural, completely broke his man.
How would you describe Gallo's handle? Was it like Kukoc? Where he mainly just kinda glided around and changed direction? Was he more of a stand straight up with his head up kinda guy like Hedo? Was their hesitation like the way KVH does it? Or was it more loosey goosey like odom's?

His handle was sharp when he wanted it to be, but smooth overall. It wasn't like any of those guys, but I would compare it more to KVH than Odom. He was all about getting past his man, he did not like to pound it like crazy the way Odom does.

He can definitely bring the ball up some in the D'antoni offense.
How quick was his form? Was it Peja Quick? Mike Redd quick? Does it look clean? And hitches?

Pretty quick. He did not need much daylight and he knows how to get his man moving backward then pull up, which is very dangerous when you're 6' 9"-10". He drove at his man and got him backing up, then did a reverse through the legs to pull up and nail an 18-20 footer...it was pretty nasty if you ask me.
Speaking of hitches.....did Collins clean up his shooting hitch?

Collins probably played the best out of everyone all around. Who knows if he really cleaned up his shot, but it looked good today. He had a 3 and a nice pull up, and he looked lean and springy. He shot his free-throws like he has been taking 500 a day -- clean through 8/9 on the day. His defense was very good as usual. He let the game come to him and he was instrumental to settling the squad down down the stretch.

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[Edited by - oohah on 14-07-2008 9:30 PM]
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7/14/2008  9:32 PM
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Posted by EnySpree:

Ok the shammgod crossover......a lot of the euro's seemed to have adapted it. Great move.

How would you describe Gallo's handle? Was it like Kukoc? Where he mainly just kinda glided around and changed direction? Was he more of a stand straight up with his head up kinda guy like Hedo? Was their hesitation like the way KVH does it? Or was it more loosey goosey like odom's?

How quick was his form? Was it Peja Quick? Mike Redd quick? Does it look clean? And hitches?

Speaking of hitches.....did Collins clean up his shooting hitch?

Gallo has Bird like tendencies.

1. Very good handle for a big man.
2. Quick release on his shot.
3. Very good form on his shots and can hit the long ball even though he missed his 2 3-pt attempts they were really far.
4. No fear driving to the basket and he can take his man to hole almost at will.
5. Seemed to have a really good BBall IQ.
6. Looked to get everyone involved as his passing and vision is very good.
7. He has good lateral movement for a euro as he was able to stay in front of his man with arms up. He actually had a couple of blocks.
8. Needs to work on strength.
9. Very high motor and hustles.

Toni Kukoc
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7/14/2008  9:41 PM
Great stuff guys......
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7/14/2008  10:07 PM
euro's have claimed that move. see ginoboli.

i noticed the kid did'nt get rattled when his game was off. he just kept doing other things. when he did start getting his shot on, you saw that touch.

chandler impressed me on the defense AND offense. i did have high expectations for him, so i'm glad he did not disapoint.
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7/14/2008  10:29 PM
So Marion......is Chandler really like Marion? Does he really resemble the dude? Marion is the Matrix cuz of how psychotic he looks moving around. He is crazy quick. Like insane serial killer quick. He gets up off the ground high and quick as well.

Chandler doesn't really seem quick to me. I haven't see this damn game yet, but I'm working on that.

He strikes me as a more of an explosively strong player. Like artest, just with a different body type. Maybe Tim Thomas the way he should have been? Lamar odom in the Miami years? Larry Nance maybe?
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7/14/2008  10:31 PM
I'm very interested in seeing how Collins continues to shoot the ball these next few games. If he has developed a decent jump shot, he'll be a useful player.
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7/14/2008  10:34 PM
Chandler moves around really smoothly, kinda like Jalen Rose, but he has more bulk and explosive athletcism. But he has that unassuming, smooth manner out there IMO. He really does a little bit of everything. Every once in a while he just does something really explosive and you wonder, where did that come from?
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