I thought D'Antoni's system was to have a bunch of 3 point shooters, move the ball up quickly and shoot. Well, who do we have that can do that? I think we are missing out on some players who can shoot the 3.

The Knicks 2 best 3 point shooters from last year will be gone this year
Fred Jones - 38.5%
Marbury - 37.8% (probably gone)

That leaves us with (last years stats)
Crawford - 35.6%
Duhon - 34.8% (although he did hit 36% 2 years ago.)
Nate - 33.2%
Q - 32.2%
Wilson Chandler - 30%
Galinari - he might be our best 3 point shot but is untested as of now.
No one else over 30% with Balkman hitting 8.3% from beyond the arc.

The Knicks team average for 3 points last year 33.7% and is now worse with our current players.

Miami traded for Mario Chalmers, a point guard drafted in the second round this year. Excellent defense, and shot 47.8% from the 3 point in college for Kansas. Why didnt we get him?

Now, Miami again signs James Jones who is an excellent 3 point shooter - 44% last year for Portland.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Au4z3RzxO4IjDILGYtBeWri8vLYF?slug=ap-heat-jones&prov=ap&type=lgns

“We feel he’s the best pure shooter in the NBA, a great locker-room guy,” Riley said in Orlando, where the Heat have a summer league entry.

Jones shot a career-best 44 percent from 3-point range last season. The Heat, as a team, shot 36 percent from beyond the arc a year ago.

The article states that Miami hit 36% and Riley thinks that Miami was terrible. If that is the case, then we are off the chart in terribleness from the 3.

We need to fix this problem. ....so one suggestion - Trade with Miami. They need a center and point guard and want to trade Marion. We need some shooters and people who can play in D'Antonio's system.

Knicks trade - Curry, Mardy Collins, Balkman for Shawn Marion and Chalmers. Maybe someone else to balance out salaries?
Marion only a 34% career from the 3 point range but has played well for D'Antoni.

Or any other suggestions for improving our 3 point shooting?



[Edited by - markji on 07-09-2008 5:50 PM]

u can trade or waive Mardy & sign Eddie House to the LLE if ur desperate for more 3 pt shooters... i think we'll be fine tho... scoring won't be the issue w/this team, it'll be defense & playing smart basketball... hopefully the second part will be handled by Mike D's coaching... the defense part could help to be solved by bringing in a shotblocking bigman who can run the floor.

There seems to be a plan in place and Donnie is going through with it.....

Coach, draft, pass first point guard......what's next? If its a shooter then I believe the KNICKS are on it.

The Knicks currently have a hole @ back-up shooting guard. We kinda have to cancel out small-fwds unless Donnie makes some serious roster moves. Are Tim Thomas and Mobley 3pt shooters? Both guys combined match up in a trade for Zach.

The mid-level is dead so are there any other trade options out there?

We do need to improve 3 pt shooting. I'd like to see us get a good, young shooting guard who will score from outside and play good d. There are players like that, but I don't think we'll get one.

Posted by daddynel:

if we're able to set up a damn play instead of playing a 5 on 5 pick up game on an nba floor, maybe those shots will become uncontested shots instead of heaves at the end of the clock w/a hand in your face. all we need is set plays and good ball movement. we have good shooters, we just did'nt have a good coach.

good point, i agree 100%... if we can space the floor well, get some good movement w/o the ball, get some good crisp passes going to open teammates instead of guys standing around twiddling their thumbs while other guys take their man off the dribble on iso's, then i think the shooting percentage will naturally increase.

Posted by EnySpree:

There seems to be a plan in place and Donnie is going through with it.....

Coach, draft, pass first point guard......what's next? If its a shooter then I believe the KNICKS are on it.

The Knicks currently have a hole @ back-up shooting guard. We kinda have to cancel out small-fwds unless Donnie makes some serious roster moves. Are Tim Thomas and Mobley 3pt shooters? Both guys combined match up in a trade for Zach.

The mid-level is dead so are there any other trade options out there?

I know there is a plan with Walsh. Most has been executed OK. Not all. He missed getting a 2nd draft pick and hasn't gotten outside shooters. Galinari should help but we have 4 small forwards who don't shoot well. (Maybe Q can reain his shooting ability?)

jeffries for vlad rad...

Posted by djsunyc:

jeffries for vlad rad...

Dj in the clutch!

Posted by TMS:

Posted by djsunyc:

jeffries for vlad rad...

not a chance the Lakers would do that dude... Vlad is an effective role player for them & can shoot the rock... anyway we probably don't need Vlad now w/Gallinari here & i wouldn't wanna take any minutes away from the kid to bring Vlad aboard... plus his contract is as bad as Jefferies so it doesn't help our cap situation either... i'd actually rather get Chris Mihm back from the Lakers if we made a deal w/them... at least he can play some backup C for us if we need & can block a shot here & therem & he's got an expiring so it doesn't hurt our cap either.

[Edited by - TMS on 07-10-2008 07:10 AM]

I agree caca.

Posted by EnySpree:

We don't know that it was in Donnies plan to get a second draft pick.

From what we do know Donnie has pretty much stuck with what he said......now I did hear him say he would try to get a shot blocker. We already chatted about that n another thread though.

3pt shooter is the topic at hand......I'm gonna comb through the league to see if I can come up with some names.

Btw we can forget about mike redd cuz the Bucks owner already said **** Zach in so many words and Skiles hates Crawfords game.......

We do know that DW wanted a second pick in the draft.....Remember the rumors and then a very solid one about Knicks sending David Lee and Malik to Memphis for Cardinal and their #5 pick. But it fell thru. Also talk of DW trying to get a 2nd round pick to sign Mario Chalmers when he fell to the 2nd round.

But getting back to the task at hand, a 3 point shooter, I would prefer us getting a young player who could grow rather than a veteran. That is why I liked Chalmers. But now Miami has him locked up.
Others have posted for Monta Ellis to fill our need for another PG. While an exciting young player he only hit 23% from 3 point range last year. So that doesn't work.
I hope DW focuses on this. I would trust his judgement on players, especially young player, over mine.

I agree with you that we need a shot blocker at center. Actually we need a backup center as Randolph Moris is gone and JJ1 is medically unable. That leaves us playing with 2 PF Zach and Lee. And everyone seems to want to trade Zach and Malik...and Lee. Which then essentially leaves us with no PF.

Posted by TMS:

let's focus on guys we CAN get & not on all the guys who supposedly we could have gotten but lost out on... it doesn't solve anything to harp on the coulda woulda cacas.

of the 3 pt shooters available, i'd say Eddie House & Demetris Nichols are probably the most realistic options at this point... Sasha Vujacic is no longer an option cuz we just used the MLE on Duhon

I'd wouldn't mind getting Daniel Gibson from Cleveland if some deal could be made. From the 3 pt range, he shot 44% last year and 41.9% his rookie year. He is young and can grow in our system.

And the leading 3 pt shooter in the entire NBA - last year --- Steve Nash shooting 47%. (Nash also shoots 90.6 FT and 50.4FG; Not bad for a point guard with 11.1 assists/game.) Hey, why don't we just get Nash!!
James Jones was second at 44.4%