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Gimme a break already with these damn Allstar selections
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7/6/2008  8:01 PM
.219 BA / 7 HR / 27 RBI / .301 OBP / .360 SLG

that is the statline for the AL reserve Catcher selected to the AS game this year, Jason Varitek.

this is getting out of hand... seriously, what kind of laughable statline is that for an Allstar? i wouldn't even think Jorge deserved to be named an AS but his #'s after a 1/4 of a season are even better than those... hell, even Rod Barajas has better #'s... IMO AJ Pierzynski clearly deserved to be named an AS this year... this is what makes the AS game a complete farce.

can't believe Evan Longoria, Johnny Damon & Jason Giambi didn't make the team as reserves either, but those aren't as obviously ridiculous snubbings as this one... maybe 1 of those guys will get in on the final vote.

[Edited by - TMS on 07-06-2008 5:17 PM]
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7/6/2008  8:39 PM
Don't forget Mussina
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7/6/2008  10:16 PM
click here to vote Giambi into the Allstar game:

http://link.mlblists.com/r/ND6I8T/DWIT3/STGI0/FJDJ/HCY5X/QR/h?a=enanyy07062008
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7/6/2008  10:17 PM
When they put up the AL reserves and their numbers it was pretty laughable looking at Fairy-tek's numbers compared to the others. That .219 really stuck out and everybody had at least double his RBI's and HR's. You honestly could have picked any other AL catcher and it would have made for sense.

I hope he gets into a slump..what am I saying, I hope he keeps hitting the way he has all season and gets even closer to the Mendoza line heading into the All Star game. It'll be even funnier when they put up his .200 AVG during the game, forcing the commentators to either wonder aloud why he's an all star or make up nonsensical excuses for why he deserves to be there.

Pedroia starting over Kinsler is ridiculous as is Ortiz winning the DH despite missing the last 6 weeks and not being available for the game.

Other snubs:

Manny Ramirez over Jermaine Dye
Joe Crede over Evan Longoria
Scott Kazmir and Ervin Santana over Moose and Gavin Floyd
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7/6/2008  10:30 PM
Posted by islesfan:
It'll be even funnier when they put up his .200 AVG during the game, forcing the commentators to either wonder aloud why he's an all star or make up nonsensical excuses for why he deserves to be there.

i'm sure they'll refer to his "veteran leadership & how much he means to that Red Sox team" as if AJ Pierzynski don't mean squat to his

[Edited by - TMS on 07-06-2008 7:31 PM]
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Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:
It'll be even funnier when they put up his .200 AVG during the game, forcing the commentators to either wonder aloud why he's an all star or make up nonsensical excuses for why he deserves to be there.

i'm sure they'll refer to his "veteran leadership & how much he means to that Red Sox team" as if AJ Pierzynski don't mean squat to his

[Edited by - TMS on 07-06-2008 7:31 PM]

No doubt about it.

I can already hear Tim McCarver, "Some of you casual baseball watchers at home might be wondering why a player hitting just .200 would be an all star, but those around the game will tell you how important his veteran leadership is and how much he means to that Red Sox team."

Like that has a damn thing to do with making an all star team.

[Edited by - islesfan on 06-07-2008 10:40 PM]
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7/6/2008  10:42 PM
Ortiz over Matsui or Abrey Huff is another joke... & yeah, Manny & JD Drew over Jermaine Dye, Johnny Damon or David DeJesus is another joke.
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7/6/2008  11:43 PM
Papelbon making the team was a joke too. Mariano and Nathan have been the best in the AL all year, K-Rod had to make it since he leads the Majors in saves and Soria and Sherrill had to make it because their teams don't have a rep. To take a 6th closer out of 14 teams is way too much. Starters and closers shouldn't have equal representation. At worst there should be 7 starters to 5 closers.

Papelbon most likely took the spot that Moose or Floyd should have had.
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7/6/2008  11:54 PM
the fact that these undeserving Red Sux players are getting a chance to play the last AS game at YS makes it that much more irritating.

i hope Francona has the sense to at least start Mariano as a surprise & get the Yankee fans pumped for the game... it's not like any of the AL starters have been as lights out dominant the way Mo's been... i don't see any better way to kick off the AS game at the Stadium than having Sandman on the mound.
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7/7/2008  12:01 AM
I've heard Buster Olney suggest that a few times but I want to see Mariano closing out the game with "Enter the Sandman" blaring.
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7/7/2008  12:02 AM
yeah but it would only be fitting if it was to close out the game... if the NL is winning then it makes it anti-climactic.

DAMMIT i wish i could afford tix... damn scalper sites want an arm, leg, upper torso & a reproductive organ for decent seats to the game.

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Varitek? Tejada? All-Star Game rosters somewhat of a mess

By Keith Law

The All-Star rosters are always fodder for arguments -- who was snubbed, who doesn't belong -- but some of the picks are more ridiculous than others. Here's a rundown of the least defensible selections, starting with the worst one I can remember. Note that nearly all of these were players' selections, rather than the fault of the managers or even the fans.

Jason Varitek

Jason Varitek over various multicellular organisms capable of wearing a catcher's mitt
Is it more of an insult to the All-Star Game to put someone playing as horribly as Varitek is on the AL roster, or to Varitek himself by drawing even more presumably unwanted attention to his hitting woes?

Varitek has been so bad at the plate this season that he's below replacement level for catchers -- that theoretical player who any team could grab from Triple-A to fill that roster spot. And it's not as if Varitek is a perennial All-Star who fans would expect to see in the game; he hasn't made the squad at all since 2005 (and hasn't deserved to), and only appeared in one other All-Star Game before that, in 2003.

The obvious alternative here would be A.J. Pierzynski, who is hitting reasonably well and is having a season comparable to his 2006 season, the last year he made an All-Star team. The players could also have chosen Ivan Rodriguez, who is having a good enough year in a weak crop of AL catchers, has made 14 All-Star teams and is one of the most recognizable names in the game.

Six relievers on the AL roster over various starters

This reliever fetish is getting completely out of control.

The American League has six relievers among the 12 pitchers on its staff, which seems to imply that a top-quality reliever is as valuable as a top-quality starter, when nothing could be further from the truth. With relievers typically throwing 70-80 innings -- often fewer for capital-C closers who are sequestered in a ninth-inning role and only called upon when Jerome Holtzman approves -- it is almost impossible for a reliever to equal the value of a top-10, 200-inning starter.

Jon Lester

Putting six relievers on the roster is bad enough, but the players and AL manager Francona snubbed one of the majors' best pitchers this year and a member of his own staff in the process: Jon Lester. I'm not sure what more Lester would have to do to get everyone's attention. Throw a no-hitter? Oh, he did that. How about shutting out the Yankees in the Bronx? Um, he did that too. And his backstory is pretty good, too. He's an emerging star, the type of player MLB should want in the All-Star Game as they showcase the next generation of centerpiece players.

Chicago's John Danks is in a similar boat as Lester. Both are young left-handed pitchers and former high draft picks emerging as stars this season, pitching for contenders, with ERAs putting them in the top eight in the AL. Meanwhile, Joakim Soria, who is having an outstanding season as Kansas City's closer, is the token Royal on the AL roster, but hasn't been as valuable as their own emerging ace, Zack Greinke, who like Lester also has a backstory that makes him easy to cheer.

Joe Saunders over John Lackey

Lackey might have missed this cut because he's only made 10 starts this season, but he was an All-Star in 2007 and finished third in the Cy Young voting (and was, in fact, the third-best pitcher in the AL) last season.

He's also off to a ridiculous start after his DL stint, with a sub-two ERA. Saunders has the gaudy win total, but he's more a creation of the Angels' defense than anything else. He's having a good season, but Lackey's season has been better, as is his pre-2008 resume.

Ryan Ludwick over Pat Burrell
Fans like this type of selection because it's a feel-good story, even though in all likelihood, within a year -- maybe by season's end -- it's going to look absurd, because the player nearly always regresses to his typical level of production. Ludwick has actually been in a funk for six weeks now. He has a .247 batting average, .287 on-base percentage and .367 slugging percentage since the start of June. So he's an All-Star because he had two hot months.

Pat Burrell

Burrell

Ryan Ludwick

Ludwick

But what's the better feel-good story: The journeyman, 4A player who has two hot months and makes an All-Star team, or the perennially underrated player who gets dumped on by his local media and finally earns the national recognition of an All-Star nod? Burrell is currently fifth in the NL in OBP and is over .400 in that category for the second straight season, while he's sixth in slugging percentage. He's not a strong defensive player, but neither is Ludwick.

Alfonso Soriano was a questionable selection by the fans, but probably won't play anyway, so here's hoping National League manager Clint Hurdle replaces him with Burrell, or perhaps Pittsburgh's Jason Bay, who is bouncing back from an injury-wrecked 2007 and is currently in the top 20 in the NL in both OBP and slugging. Bay, a former Rookie of the Year winner and two-time All-Star, has both the current-year stats and the resume to be in the Bronx next Tuesday.

Cole Hamels

Hamels

Brian Wilson

Wilson

Brian Wilson over Cole Hamels
Wilson's ERA (4.37) is below the NL average (4.27), even though he pitches in a pitchers' park. He's here because he's leading the NL in saves (24), even though I'd bet that the majority of front offices have figured out that the save statistic isn't a good measure of performance. His presence isn't necessary as the token Giant, with Tim Lincecum on the team and probably deserving the starting nod.

Hamels is just the best of a list of NL starters left off in favor of relievers and the selection of Ryan Dempster (on the basis of his win total, I presume). Hamels is 11th in the NL in ERA despite pitching in a hitter's park and is third in the league in strikeouts. Chad Billingsley and Johan Santana also both appear in the top 10 in the league in ERA and strikeouts; if Santana doesn't get an extra boost for his resume, I'm not sure who does, while Billingsley is quickly developing into a front-line starter. All three men belong in the game in some way.

Miguel Tejada over Jose Reyes

I doubt anyone in the commissioner's office was pushing for Tejada, a star in the Mitchell report and an age-forger, to appear on the NL roster. So what gives?

The Astros are represented by Lance Berkman, so that's not the explanation. Tejada's not having a good offensive year, despite playing in a park that heavily favors right-handed power hitters (his road OPS is .681 this year). He's still playing solid defense, but Reyes, the Mets' shortstop, is a better player in every facet of the game, and is arguably a bigger "star" in the fame sense of the word.
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7/7/2008  1:22 AM
I was reading the SOSH board and even they're embarrassed and stunned that Varitek was selected.

The only feasible explanation is that the players selections were somehow rigged the way the fan vote was by a Red Sux fan.
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7/7/2008  1:25 AM
what's weird is Milton Bradley was on the ballot as an OFer but got selected as an AL reserve in a DH role... that pretty much screwed Giambi & Matsui right there... Bradley definitely deserves to go but enough w/the "let's get this guy in because he's a big name" crap like Manny & Ortiz & vote the players in who actually deserve to go.
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7/7/2008  12:20 PM
Here's my AL All Star team with every team represented:

C - Joe Mauer
1B - Justin Morneau
2B - Ian Kinsler
SS - Derek Jeter
3B - Alex Rodriguez
LF - Carlos Quentin
CF - Ichiro Suzuki
RF - Josh Hamilton
DH - Milton Bradley

C - Dioneer Navaro
C - AJ Pierzynski
1B - Kevin Youkilis
1B - Jason Giambi
2B - Dustin Pedroia
SS - Michael Young
3B - Evan Longoria
OF - JD Drew
OF - Jermaine Dye
OF - Grady Sizemore
OF - Magglio Ordonez

SP - Cliff Lee
SP - Roy Halladay
SP - Justin Duchscherer
SP - Joe Saunders
SP - Gavin Floyd
SP - Mike Mussina
SP - Jon Lester
RP - Mariano Rivera
RP - Joe Nathan
RP - Franciso Rodriguez
RP - Joakim Soria
RP - George Sherrill
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7/7/2008  12:20 PM
Here's my NL All STar team with every team represented:

c - Geovany Soto
1B - Lance Berkman
2B - chase Utley
SS - Hanley Ramirez
3B - Chipper Jones
LF - Pat Burrell
CF - Ryan Braun
RF - Carlos Lee
DH - Albert Pujols

C - Russell Martin
C - Brian McCann
1B - Adrian Gonzalez
1B - Ryan Howard
2B - Dan Uggla
SS - Jose Reyes
3B - David Wright
3B - Aramis Ramirez
OF - Nate McLouth
OF - Matt Holiday
OF - Ryan Ludwick

SP - Edinson Volquez
SP - Tim Lincecum
SP - Brandon Webb
SP - Dan Haren
SP - Carlos Zambrano
SP - Ben Sheets
SP - Cole Hamels
SP - Jake Peavy
RP - Kerry Wood
RP - Brad Lidge
RP - Jon Rauch
RP - Billy Wagner
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7/7/2008  2:55 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Here's my AL All Star team with every team represented:

C - Joe Mauer
1B - Justin Morneau
2B - Ian Kinsler
SS - Derek Jeter
3B - Alex Rodriguez
LF - Carlos Quentin
CF - Ichiro Suzuki
RF - Josh Hamilton
DH - Milton Bradley

C - Dioneer Navaro
C - AJ Pierzynski
1B - Kevin Youkilis
1B - Jason Giambi
2B - Dustin Pedroia
SS - Michael Young
3B - Evan Longoria
OF - JD Drew
OF - Jermaine Dye
OF - Grady Sizemore
OF - Magglio Ordonez

SP - Cliff Lee
SP - Roy Halladay
SP - Justin Duchscherer
SP - Joe Saunders
SP - Gavin Floyd
SP - Mike Mussina
SP - Jon Lester
RP - Mariano Rivera
RP - Joe Nathan
RP - Franciso Rodriguez
RP - Joakim Soria
RP - George Sherrill

Jeter has not had an all-star season. (Or were you selecting only the reserves?)
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7/7/2008  7:03 PM
Jeter is 2nd among AL SS's in batting... Michael Young is the leader... who else do you expect to be selected to the AS game?
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Gimme a break already with these damn Allstar selections

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