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JohnWallace44
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7/6/2008  1:49 AM



When I watch Duhon he reminds me of a young Ward with a little more game.

I can deal with that for a couple of years after watching Marbs and the rest.
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7/6/2008  1:59 AM
Really?! Ward?

That's not good.
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7/6/2008  3:16 AM
If were lucky hell be Charlie Ward. I always thought Ward was a very solid player.
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7/6/2008  3:40 AM
Ward kinda sucked. He never got into the lane. The PG is responsible for putting some pressure on the D. Actually Ward finally started playing like a real point in his last year here, but by then he was traded for Marbs.

Anyway, Duhon's got a better assist rate than Ward. He's s smart guard and he will play D. Hopefully he can start consistently knocking down that that 3.
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7/6/2008  4:00 AM
Let's hope he has some of Charlie's heart and toughness. The man was never the most talented player on the court, but he always gave it his all.
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7/6/2008  6:57 AM
Like I said in another thread....

We can take it further. Duhon and Nate are like a souped up Ward and Childs.
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7/6/2008  7:00 AM
Childs >>>>>>> Nate
I never liked Ward very much, but I hope Duhon is at least as decent as Ward was.
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7/6/2008  8:55 AM
You guys are comparing Drunkhon to Ward and Childs? Really? That's what you guys see in him? I hope you're right but I'm pretty sure you're wrong.

Knowing what I know about Duhon.....this is more blasphemous than people who try to claim that Crawful >= Starks.


Look, I understand wanting to be positive, but you guys are definitely taking that to a whole new level I'm not so sure I can handle or understand.
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7/6/2008  9:25 AM
Duho = Malik Rose at the point guard position




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7/6/2008  9:38 AM
Posted by BigC:

Duho = Malik Rose at the point guard position


I was thinking it's more like the Jeffries signing.

We already had Balkman. We already had Q. We already had Lee who could spot minute the 3. We even had Crawful who could spot minute the 3. Yet, we go and get Jeffries and over pay for him.

It's the same scenario. More responsible with the length of risk involved yet it's the same scenario here.
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7/6/2008  9:40 AM
Posted by VDesai:

Ward kinda sucked. He never got into the lane. The PG is responsible for putting some pressure on the D. Actually Ward finally started playing like a real point in his last year here, but by then he was traded for Marbs.

Anyway, Duhon's got a better assist rate than Ward. He's s smart guard and he will play D. Hopefully he can start consistently knocking down that that 3.

That's the thing, Duhon also does not get to the lane. He also lacks the ability to take his man off the dribble. As far as hitting 3's, let's see if he can even knock down the midrange shot because he misses wide open midrange shots. Ward could hit the open midrange shot, the 3, and play the pick and roll. Duhon shoots many bricks and airballs. Duhon has many things to work on this summer if he is going to get major playing time.
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7/6/2008  10:26 AM
To me the thing I noticed from looking over Duhon's career stats is that when he got 29 mpg in 05-06 he had a better shooting % from 3 and at the line. He wasn't a spectacular player, but he seemed to have the potential of being a consistent 10 ppg, 6 ast 1 stl PG if he avg'd about 30 mpg. All this while keeping the ball moving, not turning it over and actually playing some D. We could easily use that kind of production. Somewhat ward like.

The ting is that Ward never avg'd 30 mpg. The closest he got was 28 and in that year his stats were pretty good.
45%, 37% and 80% shooting, 3 rpg, 5.7 ast, 1.76 spg and 7.8 ppg. Could something like that happen for Duhon? I actually think so. 2 years of that would be worth the price.
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7/6/2008  11:17 AM
If we had Charlie Ward part II, why would that be so bad? Not every player has to be a star. Ward did all the little things such as having some crazy statistic like the most deflections per 48 minutes in the NBA. He was always everywhere and simply a piece on a winning team. I, personally, would love to have a Charlie Ward again.
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7/6/2008  11:21 AM
Posted by Solace:

If we had Charlie Ward part II, why would that be so bad? Not every player has to be a star. Ward did all the little things such as having some crazy statistic like the most deflections per 48 minutes in the NBA. He was always everywhere and simply a piece on a winning team. I, personally, would love to have a Charlie Ward again.

It seems people are losing sight of what he represents for this team over the next 2 yrs. He's not the final answer, he's a good stop gap and he might blossom under D'Antoni. He's had explosions over his career and as Nash has shown, a PG can really grow under D'Antoni if they have the right BB IQ. A PG who lacks the intellect to apply what he teaches will struggle, like a QB who can't absorb the playbook or read a defense.
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7/6/2008  11:56 AM
Posted by Solace:

If we had Charlie Ward part II, why would that be so bad? Not every player has to be a star. Ward did all the little things such as having some crazy statistic like the most deflections per 48 minutes in the NBA. He was always everywhere and simply a piece on a winning team. I, personally, would love to have a Charlie Ward again.

Ditto. There's nothing wrong with adding a young Ward. When you're signing a guy to a small, 2 year contract, you have to expect that he WILL have significant shortcomings to his game but also has some strengths. (A great assist : TO ratio looks like Duhon's best strength.) That's why you got him so cheaply!
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7/6/2008  12:00 PM
Ward was so much better than Duhon.

Duhon is an improved Mardy Collins.
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7/6/2008  12:07 PM
He's not Charlie Ward and we don't need a stop gap. We're rebuilding the team.

What kind of a team wins 23 games and signs a "stop gap" 3rd string guard to start for them for 2 years during a rebuild when they already have Crawford, Nate, Collins who could fill the role of "we're going to stink anyone the next two years so who cares who really is starting in the big picture right now?"

????????????

The roster spot belongs to a SL standout, an NBDL standout, a walk-in player........ not a 3rd string guard being brought in the start at PG. We already have 3 other guys who could do that. While they did we could spend the next 14 months and the 09 draft looking for a REAL starting PG. Duhon isn't it and won't ever be it so why did we bother?

Entirely pointless.
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7/6/2008  12:13 PM
Posted by Cosmic:

He's not Charlie Ward and we don't need a stop gap. We're rebuilding the team.

What kind of a team wins 23 games and signs a "stop gap" 3rd string guard to start for them for 2 years during a rebuild when they already have Crawford, Nate, Collins who could fill the role of "we're going to stink anyone the next two years so who cares who really is starting in the big picture right now?"

????????????

The roster spot belongs to a SL standout, an NBDL standout, a walk-in player........ not a 3rd string guard being brought in the start at PG. We already have 3 other guys who could do that. While they did we could spend the next 14 months and the 09 draft looking for a REAL starting PG. Duhon isn't it and won't ever be it so why did we bother?

Entirely pointless.

1) Duhon can defend on the NBA level, which NONE of our PG's have shown
2) He's not a chucker, which is the case with Jamal, Nate and Steph. Collins can't shoot so that's a problem in itself
3) We need to establish the teams style of play for the benefit of the young players we do intend to keep. Duhon gives us the best chance of doing that. He'll run the plays as the coach prescribes and that is also something we haven't had.
4) His short contract doesn't inhibit our future plans.
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7/6/2008  12:30 PM
Duhon is not the kind of PG that will establish the style of play that D'Antonio wants to play. There is nothing to even suggest that he is. D'Antonio's system isn't about running plays. It's about running and getting quick shots. Arroyo or White Chocolate would have been much better options for doing that and helping to inflate the numbers of the players we need to trade.

This is just a nothing move that doesn't help improve our situation.
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