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nwny
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7/24/2003  10:47 PM
McDyess goes into the final year of his contrct this season.
What if?
He comes back in Jan/Feb and plays up to his potential (20 and 10),and we make the palyoffs, and he shows no signs of the knee being a problem.
Do we extend his contract? Right now it's a team option, or do we seperate ourslves for the whole bad situation?
Remember we would still be over the cap so it's not like we're going to be signing any big time free agents.
A) Let him walk
B) Pick up his option
C) Cancel his option and renegotiate him down to a reasonable salary.
What would you guys do?


[Edited by - nwny on 07/24/2003 22:48:45]
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7/24/2003  11:16 PM
I reckon he'll be an unrestricted free agent at the end of this deal. If he's able to come back and be some version of his old self, it's obvious that the Knicks would want to re-sign him.

I don't think we'd offer him a straight-up extension, he'll definitely get less money.

The question is whether he'd want to stay here or go someplace else with fans not so fanatical. Maybe he'll follow his (messed up) instincts and re-sign with Denver again. Heh, maybe he'll sign with the Lakers to back up the 64 year old Malone.

He could also feel a little bad giving the Knicks poor ROI, and re-sign for less to stay here. It's not a good sign, however, that he's been rehabbing elsewhere.
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7/24/2003  11:19 PM
Posted by technomaster:

He could also feel a little bad giving the Knicks poor ROI, and re-sign for less to stay here.

What is ROI?

I might be missing something here.............
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7/25/2003  3:23 AM
ROI - return on investment. (not King in french)

ie we're spending big bucks on a guy that's not even playing. that's not good at all. Travis Knight, that's a bad value too.
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7/25/2003  7:56 PM
I know we're all cynical and that's certainly reasonable these Knick days , but is there any publicized as to when McDyess's doctors think he'll be ready. I mean any real info. The Knicks were pretty vague back in April.
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7/25/2003  10:05 PM
Posted by purple012870:

I know we're all cynical and that's certainly reasonable these Knick days , but is there any publicized as to when McDyess's doctors think he'll be ready. I mean any real info. The Knicks were pretty vague back in April.
I'm constanly seeing reports online that say "Don Chaney is optimistic McDyse will play this season because he can now bend his knee". Give me a break.
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7/26/2003  1:05 AM
If i were the knicks and Mcdyess comes back and plays up to his old 20 and 10,his value would go up. That way, don't keep him but try to see if you can do a sign -n- trade with other teams who might have other free-agent big men. Hey, Kevin Garnett along with Rasheed Wallace both become free agents after the season. MAybe, the knicks could pulled a deal for either one of them and deal away McDyess. That's if McDyess plays like his old self though.
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7/26/2003  7:57 AM
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what makes you think a guy with two consecutive(maybe three) kneee surgies can come back and average 20 and 10 in his first full season back. it aint that easy bro.
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7/28/2003  2:07 PM
Posted by knicksbb10:

If i were the knicks and Mcdyess comes back and plays up to his old 20 and 10,his value would go up. That way, don't keep him but try to see if you can do a sign -n- trade with other teams who might have other free-agent big men. Hey, Kevin Garnett along with Rasheed Wallace both become free agents after the season. MAybe, the knicks could pulled a deal for either one of them and deal away McDyess. That's if McDyess plays like his old self though.
Pre-knee surgery McDyess was not better than Rasheed or Garnett. No why would either of these teams do this deal for a player that's worse than the one they have plus he has a history of knee problems. Also for a sign and trade to work the player has to agree to the deal. This is unrealistic.
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7/28/2003  3:37 PM
Posted by nwny:
Posted by knicksbb10:

If i were the knicks and Mcdyess comes back and plays up to his old 20 and 10,his value would go up. That way, don't keep him but try to see if you can do a sign -n- trade with other teams who might have other free-agent big men. Hey, Kevin Garnett along with Rasheed Wallace both become free agents after the season. MAybe, the knicks could pulled a deal for either one of them and deal away McDyess. That's if McDyess plays like his old self though.
Pre-knee surgery McDyess was not better than Rasheed or Garnett. No why would either of these teams do this deal for a player that's worse than the one they have plus he has a history of knee problems. Also for a sign and trade to work the player has to agree to the deal. This is unrealistic.

I guess you weren't paying any attention to my previous post and it isn't unrealistic.. If McDyess ends up with 20 and 10 like 2yrs ago, it would be possible for the knicks to do a sign and trade with another team while getting something back. I did mentioned in my previous statement "If MCDYESS PLAYS LIKE HIS OLD SELF" and somehow get the knicks back in the playoffs, his value would skyrocket. Let's also say he doesn't want to go back to the knicks, obviously the knicks are not just gonna let him walk. They'll try to satisfy his wish but at the same time construct some sought of sign-n-trade with other teams. Teams out there will be concern with McDyess's health but at the same time teams will be concern with Rasheed's violent temper thats tends to distract or diffuses the team spirit and reputation.
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7/28/2003  4:25 PM
ICEMAN :

"knixphan
what makes you think a guy with two consecutive(maybe three) kneee surgies can come back and average 20 and 10 in his first full season back. it aint that easy bro."


I agree...It ain't that easy...But that wasn't me who said it...lol
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7/28/2003  4:36 PM
Posted by knicksbb10:
Posted by nwny:
Posted by knicksbb10:

If i were the knicks and Mcdyess comes back and plays up to his old 20 and 10,his value would go up. That way, don't keep him but try to see if you can do a sign -n- trade with other teams who might have other free-agent big men. Hey, Kevin Garnett along with Rasheed Wallace both become free agents after the season. MAybe, the knicks could pulled a deal for either one of them and deal away McDyess. That's if McDyess plays like his old self though.
Pre-knee surgery McDyess was not better than Rasheed or Garnett. No why would either of these teams do this deal for a player that's worse than the one they have plus he has a history of knee problems. Also for a sign and trade to work the player has to agree to the deal. This is unrealistic.

I guess you weren't paying any attention to my previous post and it isn't unrealistic.. If McDyess ends up with 20 and 10 like 2yrs ago, it would be possible for the knicks to do a sign and trade with another team while getting something back. I did mentioned in my previous statement "If MCDYESS PLAYS LIKE HIS OLD SELF" and somehow get the knicks back in the playoffs, his value would skyrocket. Let's also say he doesn't want to go back to the knicks, obviously the knicks are not just gonna let him walk. They'll try to satisfy his wish but at the same time construct some sought of sign-n-trade with other teams. Teams out there will be concern with McDyess's health but at the same time teams will be concern with Rasheed's violent temper thats tends to distract or diffuses the team spirit and reputation.
You can't get Granett or Wallace for A totally healthy 20 and 10 McDyess. That's a fact. I don't care if he comes back and averages 20 and 10. He will always be on borrowed time and no one is giving up Garnett or Wallace for a 20 an 10 McDyess, a 30 and 10 McDyess or any McDyess.
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7/28/2003  5:22 PM
Well, the issue is that the bone in McDyess's knee needs to be as strong as before.

Oftentimes, when bones break, the bones ends up stronger and thicker than before. During the healing process (between training camp and his second surgery a few months ago), the bone that regenerated wasn't as strong/dense as it was projected to be. it was healed enough to continue a normal life, but as a pro athlete, they need more than just that-- they need it as strong or stronger than original.

His knee has likely become osteoporatic due to inactivity. In the last procedure, the doctors drilled some tiny holes in his knee to promote bloodflow and bone growth. I bet he's taking calcium supplements and the doctors probably had him putting some weight on the joint much earlier in the rehab process this time around.

Will this work? Uhm... well, he's undergone a huge amount of trauma in his knee from the injuries and successive operations. I'd say it's possible for him to return. Others have had major knee repair work done and have come back to play at a high level - see Kerry Kittles and Penny Hardaway. Penny, however, never regained the success he had earlier in his career (though many simply question his mental makeup as the reason why).

Some notable football players have had major damage (Jerry Rice) and come back just as good as before. Others (Terrell Davis) never make it back.
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7/28/2003  5:39 PM
techno one point he has had three surgeries, two in one knee (thanks prod) i see your more versed than i in the broken bone dept,I'm not sure of the types of surgery but my guess is he is a better form of manning.
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7/28/2003  6:53 PM
Very well said, Techno! Faboulous Prognosis! My concern about McDyess is, those players you mentioned were strickly guards predominately playing outside. McDyess's game is inside where he's required to jump up and down around the basket repeatedly fighting for rebounds. With all that impact on the knee, hopefully there are no more setbacks..
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