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7/2/2008  9:17 PM
That blows. Seattle fans lost their franchise.
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7/2/2008  9:25 PM
Fuck seattle and their coffee.
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7/2/2008  9:27 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3471503

They won't be the Sonics. Seattle is keeping the name and the colors.

Maybe the Grizzlies will become the new Sonics when they realize Memphis really doesn't care about them.

[Edited by - K22 on 2008-07-02 9:41 PM]
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7/2/2008  10:13 PM
One less late night west coast game.
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7/2/2008  10:47 PM
Half of my family live in OKC. Ttrust me, they will support the new NBA team. Oklahomans are sports-mad as you can see by the way they support their college programs in football, basketball, and baseball.

There is no competition because there is no other pro sports franchise in Oklahoma, and NBA games will pretty much be "The Thing to do", because, well that pretty much will be all there is to do!

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7/2/2008  11:07 PM
I could care less about the city of Seattle. They didn't show support in Key Arena like they should have the past 5-6yrs.. Their previous ownership headed by Howard Schultz Starbucks Nitwit ran the team like a business instead of really trying it's best to put a product on the floor worth supporting. He was constantly talking about how the franchise was $20mil in debt pretty much when he took a majority ownership stake in the franchise. After a while when he found out basketball isn't like the coffee business he sold out to an owner who already had a pulse on the situation and the landscape of where his ownership group was based from. He basically paid their lease through 2011 or whenever it was going to expire and is getting the heck out of dodge. OKC will have practically the whole midwest supporting that team. It's college town all day every day and thirsting for a sport franchise.

They booted Payton out with no regards their greatest franchise player ever. Nate Mcmillan left for Portland. The writing was on the wall for that franchise for a while now. IRRELEVANT as they should be until the NBA landscape changes shape in the future.




[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-03-2008 10:03 AM]
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7/3/2008  5:38 AM
Stern is a disgrace to the game of basketball. He needs to step down already. I'd rather see Adam Silver or Russ Granik as commish than this loser.

Seattle didn't deserve this. They have a great history and a great city and the team was stolen from them by jackass Bannett.

And for what? Oklahoma City? Oklahoma? All people do there is listen to country music and plow fields. This is a terrible move and it has robbed the NBA of its integrity (whatever it had left) and of its history.

Screw you Stern. I hope you get impeached from the league when it is found out that you had a hand in the fixed games with Donaghy.
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7/3/2008  7:29 AM
I think Bennett wanted to move the team all along to his hometown. They traded away The Glove, let Mr. Sonic Nate McMillan go and then traded the only remote good player they had in Allen for Jeff Green and Wally World and let Lewis walk albeit for a huge contract so thats understandable. The rebuilding was an excuse to get the team out of town as they were losing money and figured why not lose some more fans while we're at it. It's like that movie Eddie where that cowboy bought the knicks just so he could move the team to his hick town. Stern should not have allowed this to happen. The NBA isn't about integrity anymore, its like the WWF man.

[Edited by - bishop on 07-03-2008 07:32 AM]
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7/3/2008  8:11 AM
This sucks. But, just like Charlotte, Seattle will have a new team soon enough, I'm sure.

Seriously, though, owners shouldn't be allowed to just move existing teams unless the situation is an extremely unique circumstance and there's some serious justification for it. In this case, it was garbage.

Oh well.
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7/3/2008  9:21 AM
OK has to pay seattle 45mil to leave. That would retire the Key arena debt?

Bennet is evil as anyone and we all saw this coming. Maybe good for Seattle for not sucking up to the carpetbagger and let him take his prize and go home.

I don't want to see the league expand again as we are diluted already. Memphis move seems to have been a bone head move for its owner.

I don't know if any team can relocate anytime soon as NO and Memph is locked up pretty good in their new cities.

Maybe OK can take the hornets name, move the Jazz name back to NO, and Utah can be the Stars agains (ABA) and finally retire Zelmo Beatty's number!
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7/3/2008  11:13 AM
Posted by bishop:

I think Bennett wanted to move the team all along to his hometown. They traded away The Glove, let Mr. Sonic Nate McMillan go and then traded the only remote good player they had in Allen for Jeff Green and Wally World and let Lewis walk albeit for a huge contract so thats understandable. The rebuilding was an excuse to get the team out of town as they were losing money and figured why not lose some more fans while we're at it. It's like that movie Eddie where that cowboy bought the knicks just so he could move the team to his hick town. Stern should not have allowed this to happen. The NBA isn't about integrity anymore, its like the WWF man.

[Edited by - bishop on 07-03-2008 07:32 AM]

I disagree in this regards in that he should be more hands on when a franchise is looking to sell to an owner/ownership group. Strongly recommend teams what buyers they should target and encourage greatly for the new owner/ownership group to keep franchise in the city contingent on a timeframe from support from the city.

On the other hand and more importantly hand I think we need to separate the emotional aspect of this and realize if it's all about the American Way and a owner in theory(FREEDOM TO DO BUSINESS AS HE/SHE CHOOSES) shouldn't be boxed in on the market from which he buys the team.

The city wasn't supporting the team until they caught wind of what potentially could happen. Also I think the guidelines to owning a franchise should be consistent in every city as far as how much assets the owner controls and how involved should the city be in providing funds for the franchise. I know if I'm an owner and I put up all coin including covering past debts from previous sold deals I'm moving the team to where the customers are if the climate shows very poor support.

Seattle's standard of living alone is high enough as it is. So to depend on the consumer to back you up when they currently aren't isn't good business in any venue yet alone basketball.

The city should have stepped when they had the chance to when Howard Schultz was all but begging for their support.




[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-03-2008 12:07 PM]
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7/3/2008  11:46 AM
Posted by oohah:

Half of my family live in OKC. Ttrust me, they will support the new NBA team. Oklahomans are sports-mad as you can see by the way they support their college programs in football, basketball, and baseball.

There is no competition because there is no other pro sports franchise in Oklahoma, and NBA games will pretty much be "The Thing to do", because, well that pretty much will be all there is to do!

oohah


+1. They supported the Hornets very well when they were there. So much so that many peopel actually wanted the Hornets to stay there and not go back to New Orleans (though they never should've moved to New Orleans in the first place but that's another thing).
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7/3/2008  12:42 PM
That's just wrong. This was in the works the second Oklahoma City native Bennett put a bid on the Sonics and David Stern was in on it. Exhibit #23923049134 on why Stern is a piece of **** and needs to go **** himself.

Seattle has a long, rich history as a basketball town. 41 years worth. But they've had a rough go of it lately and Stern took that opportunity to steal their franchise from them. It's a damn shame. They seem to be getting back on their feet with Durant, Green and Westbrook but the fans who suffered through the tough years won't be able to see or enjoy it. That's so wrong.

I have nothing against OK City. But if the NBA felt they were such a good location for a team, they should have expanded to include them instead of places like Charlotte, Memphis and New Orleans (though not totally their fault) that have never given their franchises the type of support that Seattle has historically shown the Sonics. They shouldn't have stolen a team.
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7/3/2008  1:05 PM
They can have the Knicks, if we can trade places with memphis
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Posted by islesfan:

That's just wrong. This was in the works the second Oklahoma City native Bennett put a bid on the Sonics and David Stern was in on it. Exhibit #23923049134 on why Stern is a piece of **** and needs to go **** himself.

Seattle has a long, rich history as a basketball town. 41 years worth. But they've had a rough go of it lately and Stern took that opportunity to steal their franchise from them. It's a damn shame. They seem to be getting back on their feet with Durant, Green and Westbrook but the fans who suffered through the tough years won't be able to see or enjoy it. That's so wrong.

I have nothing against OK City. But if the NBA felt they were such a good location for a team, they should have expanded to include them instead of places like Charlotte, Memphis and New Orleans (though not totally their fault) that have never given their franchises the type of support that Seattle has historically shown the Sonics. They shouldn't have stolen a team.


I agree that Stern had his fingerprints all over this at the same time an owner shouldn't be told what to do when he buys a franchise. If Stern wants to outline some new ownership parameters to protect a fans base's loyalty throughout the yrs as I stated in the post before this go for it. Once Bennett purchased that team he should be allowed to do as he chooses and no doubt about it he's Jerky also but business is buisness.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-03-2008 12:15 PM]
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7/3/2008  2:44 PM
Let me fill you in on the whole story. The move of Seattle to OKC has been the worst kept secret ever. OKC folks have been talking about the Sonics moving to Seattle for about 5 years now. The KNEW the team would be moved, and so did the people of Seattle. In particular, the people that sold the Sonics to Clay Bennet knew, and David Stern knew.

All the crying and whining is propaganda, the kind of thing that happens when someone is handed divorce papers. They act surprised, but they knew it was coming all along. It was inevitable. Seattle has not supported its NBA franchise. The people of OKC will. Everyone knew it was going to happen 4-5 years ago, especially Seattle politicians. If they really wanted to "Save the Sonics", the people, politicians, and influential businessmen would have begun fighting years ago.

oohah



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7/3/2008  2:53 PM
I hate anything in which the fans get hosed.. In this case, the fans get screwed.. I don't like it at all. I have nothing against seattle at all, and this is just wrong, especially for the fans....
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7/3/2008  3:32 PM
what exactly is Seattle supposed to do? Just give NBA owners who last time I checked were pretty wealthy more government hand outs?

Corporate Welfare!

They could finance their own arena if they wanted to. They just don't want to spend their own money when they can badger cities & states into hand outs.

I just don't understand how I am living in a house built in the 20's that is 80+ years old, but when an arena is 20 years old, its antiquated and unsuitable.
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7/3/2008  3:35 PM
Posted by franco12:

what exactly is Seattle supposed to do? Just give NBA owners who last time I checked were pretty wealthy more government hand outs?

Corporate Welfare!

They could finance their own arena if they wanted to. They just don't want to spend their own money when they can badger cities & states into hand outs.

I just don't understand how I am living in a house built in the 20's that is 80+ years old, but when an arena is 20 years old, its antiquated and unsuitable.


Good point. I don't feel sorry for any Seattleans. They were more concerned about their coffee vs their sport franchise. They had every opportunity to keep the team there. They need to get over themselves.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-03-2008 2:39 PM]
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7/3/2008  3:35 PM
Posted by franco12:

what exactly is Seattle supposed to do? Just give NBA owners who last time I checked were pretty wealthy more government hand outs?

Corporate Welfare!

They could finance their own arena if they wanted to. They just don't want to spend their own money when they can badger cities & states into hand outs.

I just don't understand how I am living in a house built in the 20's that is 80+ years old, but when an arena is 20 years old, its antiquated and unsuitable.

Your house probably doesn't maximize its luxury suite capacity and other revenues. That's what franchises mean when they cry about their building being "antiquated" and "unsuitable". It has nothing to do with the building ability to host their sport.
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