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7/1/2008  10:27 AM
"I love David Lee," D'Antoni said. "I read someplace he doesn't fit my style. Let's see, he averaged 10 rebounds, 10 points. He fits anybody's style. To be creative, he's the best we have to be creative. [But] the franchise will do their job of exploring every option. At the end of the day, I'd be very happy to coach David Lee."

"But again it's the business, it's the future, and we're doing what you can within certain parameters. It's overblown because everyone that calls asks about him because he's the main guy. And it should be a compliment to him. It hasn't happened. I don't expect it to happen. If it did, it would have to be somebody good."


The strongest statements made about Lee thus far. The part I bolded all but tells me if they can move him they're going to. The sad part about it all he'll probably be moved without any major deadweight accompanying him.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-01-2008 09:37 AM]
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7/1/2008  10:46 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
"I love David Lee," D'Antoni said. "I read someplace he doesn't fit my style. Let's see, he averaged 10 rebounds, 10 points. He fits anybody's style. To be creative, he's the best we have to be creative. [But] the franchise will do their job of exploring every option. At the end of the day, I'd be very happy to coach David Lee."

"But again it's the business, it's the future, and we're doing what you can within certain parameters. It's overblown because everyone that calls asks about him because he's the main guy. And it should be a compliment to him. It hasn't happened. I don't expect it to happen. If it did, it would have to be somebody good."


The strongest statements made about Lee thus far. The part I bolded all but tells me if they can move him they're going to. The sad part about it all he'll probably be moved without any major deadweight accompanying him.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-01-2008 09:37 AM]

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7/1/2008  10:48 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by TrueBlue:
"I love David Lee," D'Antoni said. "I read someplace he doesn't fit my style. Let's see, he averaged 10 rebounds, 10 points. He fits anybody's style. To be creative, he's the best we have to be creative. [But] the franchise will do their job of exploring every option. At the end of the day, I'd be very happy to coach David Lee."

"But again it's the business, it's the future, and we're doing what you can within certain parameters. It's overblown because everyone that calls asks about him because he's the main guy. And it should be a compliment to him. It hasn't happened. I don't expect it to happen. If it did, it would have to be somebody good."


The strongest statements made about Lee thus far. The part I bolded all but tells me if they can move him they're going to. The sad part about it all he'll probably be moved without any major deadweight accompanying him.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-01-2008 09:37 AM]

why?

b/c that would mean the knicks would have to take back a contract as well. whoever's trading for lee is going to do so knowing they have to give him an extension. so the extra deal that accompanies him would further add to the team's payroll so something bad will have to come back.

that's why it's smart to trade lee for a rookie or a future 1st round pick. anything else and it hurts the 2010 "plan". and nobody is going to take lee w/ curry or zach. maybe you can move lee + crawford together for shorter deals but that's basically it.
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7/1/2008  10:56 AM
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Posted by martin:
Posted by TrueBlue:
"I love David Lee," D'Antoni said. "I read someplace he doesn't fit my style. Let's see, he averaged 10 rebounds, 10 points. He fits anybody's style. To be creative, he's the best we have to be creative. [But] the franchise will do their job of exploring every option. At the end of the day, I'd be very happy to coach David Lee."

"But again it's the business, it's the future, and we're doing what you can within certain parameters. It's overblown because everyone that calls asks about him because he's the main guy. And it should be a compliment to him. It hasn't happened. I don't expect it to happen. If it did, it would have to be somebody good."


The strongest statements made about Lee thus far. The part I bolded all but tells me if they can move him they're going to. The sad part about it all he'll probably be moved without any major deadweight accompanying him.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-01-2008 09:37 AM]

why?

b/c that would mean the knicks would have to take back a contract as well. whoever's trading for lee is going to do so knowing they have to give him an extension. so the extra deal that accompanies him would further add to the team's payroll so something bad will have to come back.

that's why it's smart to trade lee for a rookie or a future 1st round pick. anything else and it hurts the 2010 "plan". and nobody is going to take lee w/ curry or zach. maybe you can move lee + crawford together for shorter deals but that's basically it.


I wish we would have moved Lee last yr in the off-season or at the very latest at the deadline this past season. I guess Malik could accompanying him but as DJ said we're taking a contract back with no fewer yrs than 2 IMHO.
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7/1/2008  10:57 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by martin:
Posted by TrueBlue:
"I love David Lee," D'Antoni said. "I read someplace he doesn't fit my style. Let's see, he averaged 10 rebounds, 10 points. He fits anybody's style. To be creative, he's the best we have to be creative. [But] the franchise will do their job of exploring every option. At the end of the day, I'd be very happy to coach David Lee."

"But again it's the business, it's the future, and we're doing what you can within certain parameters. It's overblown because everyone that calls asks about him because he's the main guy. And it should be a compliment to him. It hasn't happened. I don't expect it to happen. If it did, it would have to be somebody good."


The strongest statements made about Lee thus far. The part I bolded all but tells me if they can move him they're going to. The sad part about it all he'll probably be moved without any major deadweight accompanying him.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-01-2008 09:37 AM]

why?

b/c that would mean the knicks would have to take back a contract as well. whoever's trading for lee is going to do so knowing they have to give him an extension. so the extra deal that accompanies him would further add to the team's payroll so something bad will have to come back.

that's why it's smart to trade lee for a rookie or a future 1st round pick. anything else and it hurts the 2010 "plan". and nobody is going to take lee w/ curry or zach. maybe you can move lee + crawford together for shorter deals but that's basically it.

I hate to lose lee, but it is apparent that the knicks are going to move him, unfortunately as you mentioned, he may leave without any dead weight like zach accompanying him...
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7/1/2008  10:59 AM
i still think the best bet is to trade curry for a deal 1 year shorter. that way, keeping zach only adds $6 mil to that 2010 cap #.

and d'antoni can play zach + lee together if he wants.
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7/1/2008  11:00 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

i still think the best bet is to trade curry for a deal 1 year shorter. that way, keeping zach only adds $6 mil to that 2010 cap #.

and d'antoni can play zach + lee together if he wants.


makes sense dj, but honestly are you not tired of seeing zach on this team? Watching him hoist up shot after shot without even looking to pass..... I know I am...
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7/1/2008  11:02 AM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by djsunyc:

i still think the best bet is to trade curry for a deal 1 year shorter. that way, keeping zach only adds $6 mil to that 2010 cap #.

and d'antoni can play zach + lee together if he wants.


makes sense dj, but honestly are you not tired of seeing zach on this team? Watching him hoist up shot after shot without even looking to pass..... I know I am...

everyone is...including 29 other gm's. so you have to deal with the situation at hand. zach + eddy can not, under no circumstances, play together. no way no how no chance.

so one has to go before the start of the season. and zach is the immoveable object. so curry is the odd man out. besides, zach is 10X the player curry is. so even if he's an idiot, in this potential offense, he can take shot after shot.
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7/1/2008  11:10 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

i still think the best bet is to trade curry for a deal 1 year shorter. that way, keeping zach only adds $6 mil to that 2010 cap #.

and d'antoni can play zach + lee together if he wants.

Zach will probably rot here until they find a taker or he eventually gets bought out. The difference I think D'Antonio Mcdyess sees in those two is that Curry is athletic and Zach really isn't. I just now noticed our team isn't all that athletic.


Why haven't they found takers for Jamal is another thing I'd like to know if Jamal is such this good glue guy with the untapped potential still remaining?

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-01-2008 10:12 AM]
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7/1/2008  11:35 AM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by djsunyc:

i still think the best bet is to trade curry for a deal 1 year shorter. that way, keeping zach only adds $6 mil to that 2010 cap #.

and d'antoni can play zach + lee together if he wants.


makes sense dj, but honestly are you not tired of seeing zach on this team? Watching him hoist up shot after shot without even looking to pass..... I know I am...


to be fair, zach passes better than Curry does. When he plays with Lee I've noticed him dish to Lee for easy baskets.
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7/1/2008  11:53 AM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by djsunyc:

i still think the best bet is to trade curry for a deal 1 year shorter. that way, keeping zach only adds $6 mil to that 2010 cap #.

and d'antoni can play zach + lee together if he wants.


makes sense dj, but honestly are you not tired of seeing zach on this team? Watching him hoist up shot after shot without even looking to pass..... I know I am...


to be fair, zach passes better than Curry does. When he plays with Lee I've noticed him dish to Lee for easy baskets.

i hate zach, too, but our best lineups according to 82games.com all had zach and lee playing the 4 and 5 last year.
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7/1/2008  12:20 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by djsunyc:

i still think the best bet is to trade curry for a deal 1 year shorter. that way, keeping zach only adds $6 mil to that 2010 cap #.

and d'antoni can play zach + lee together if he wants.


makes sense dj, but honestly are you not tired of seeing zach on this team? Watching him hoist up shot after shot without even looking to pass..... I know I am...


to be fair, zach passes better than Curry does. When he plays with Lee I've noticed him dish to Lee for easy baskets.

Zach is absolutely capable of passing when he sets his mind to it & with Mike D & Walsh and a breathe of fresh air, new system, etc, I could see Zach putting up his best year as a pro, if they got rid of curry and cleared out our log jam up front.
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I propose we keep Lee and play him 30 minutes. Lee in an uptempo game? This guy will be awesome crashing the offensive glass and ripping down rebounds. He so fast away from the ball and a great finisher. He's also a great passer.

I am really sick of building around a notion of a player that might have a 3% chance of coming here, and when it comes time to sell that we wont have a roster anyone wants to play with anyway.

Its stupid and its been utter folly for so many teams. That mentality set Chi back 5 years.

I have no problem with using cap space if it applies to your roster. It doesnt apply to ours. Pho had to make one trade and they were able to sign Q/Nash. Knicks need to make 4 trades of players with very low value. It doesnt make sense. Our chance for cap space was to let Houston, Shandon, et all come off the books. Instead we added Curry/Crawford/Zach/JJ/JJ/Q... it is what it is.

Its just not plausable.
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Posted by fishmike:

I propose we keep Lee and play him 30 minutes. Lee in an uptempo game? This guy will be awesome crashing the offensive glass and ripping down rebounds. He so fast away from the ball and a great finisher. He's also a great passer.

I am really sick of building around a notion of a player that might have a 3% chance of coming here, and when it comes time to sell that we wont have a roster anyone wants to play with anyway.

Its stupid and its been utter folly for so many teams. That mentality set Chi back 5 years.

I have no problem with using cap space if it applies to your roster. It doesnt apply to ours. Pho had to make one trade and they were able to sign Q/Nash. Knicks need to make 4 trades of players with very low value. It doesnt make sense. Our chance for cap space was to let Houston, Shandon, et all come off the books. Instead we added Curry/Crawford/Zach/JJ/JJ/Q... it is what it is.

Its just not plausable.

Agreed that cap space is not necessarily a must-have, but we can no longer collect unmovable contracts. What we need is cap flexibility. To me, that means we have to have guys signed to reasonable deals that reflect their actual market value. Otherwise, we'll never have any leverage when trying to adjust the roster.
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7/1/2008  1:55 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by djsunyc:

i still think the best bet is to trade curry for a deal 1 year shorter. that way, keeping zach only adds $6 mil to that 2010 cap #.

and d'antoni can play zach + lee together if he wants.

I don't really care much about his hoisting shots because he's a decent shooter. He needs to play some D.

makes sense dj, but honestly are you not tired of seeing zach on this team? Watching him hoist up shot after shot without even looking to pass..... I know I am...

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