i think evil created a thread like this but can't find it.

trade: crawford + malik for cuttino + brevin knight + tim thomas + 2010 #1 protected
2010 $$$ saved: $10 mil

trade: eddy curry for etan thomas + nick young + javale mcgee
2010 $$$ saved: $9 mil

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-30-2008 11:05 AM]

I wouldn't do the Clippers trade solely on the basis that it brings Tim Thomas back here.

Posted by K22:

I wouldn't do the Clippers trade solely on the basis that it brings Tim Thomas back here.

Tim actually played well in Phoenix- and I would take back KVH if it meant saving money!

trade: curry + crawford + balkman for chris wilcox + johan petro + donyell marshall + russell westbrook

we would probly have to add in some sort of future protected pick to sweeten the deal but seattle finally gets a center they know can score after the many projects they have had and crawford(seattle boy) a 20 ppg scorer to go along with durant.

we get a potential shot blocker in petro, a 3 point shooter in marshall, a tough banger in wilcox, and the point guard we coveted up until draft time.

2010 $$$ saved: $13-14mil (depending on westbrooks contract)

I think Crawford and Curry can be moved for cap savings (and < their probable value), but I'm almost tempted to keep them around for at least one more year or untill the trade deadline. They are still young and it'd be interesting to see them play a bit more uptempo. Its Zach that absolutely needs to go that probably can't be moved for cap savings without giving up additional assets.

sounds to me like Walsh has a plan & fully intends on sticking to it (not that GM's haven't been known to lie to the media obviously, but in this case i think he's being sincere)

http://www.northjersey.com/sports/knicks/Knicks_no_longer_big_spenders.html

The last two times the Knicks waded above knee-level into the free agent pool, Isiah Thomas signed Jerome James and Jared Jeffries.

No lifeguards, apparently, were on duty to save him.

Now, with this off-season's embargo on negotiating with free agents lifting Tuesday, Donnie Walsh insists he doesn't need anyone to keep him from jumping in the deep end, just the kind of thought that a former U.S. president might phrase this way:

It's about 2010, stupid.

The quest to create salary-cap space for that off-season's free agent "Class of LeBron James" will drive whatever Walsh does this summer - which means no five-year, mid-level salary cap-exception contracts like the ones Thomas gave James and Jeffries.

"I'm going to be frugal," the Knicks' president said.

Which doesn't rule out sign-and-trade deals for free agents, as long as they're cap-friendly for 2010.

But a big-ticket free agent? Walsh isn't going there, although the Class of 2008 is more of a role-players market, unlike 2010 with James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh possibly hitting the market.

A big-ticket trade (which can't be officially consummated until July 9)? Only if it's the kind of player the Knicks can't refuse, who's worth aborting the 2010 plan, he said.

In either case, Walsh eventually wants the salary cap room to maneuver the way the franchise last did in 1996, when Ernie Grunfeld signed Allan Houston and Chris Childs, and traded for Larry Johnson.

"It doesn't matter what we do, we've got to be really conscious that we have an opportunity to get under the cap in 2010 and we can't do things that are going to jeopardize that," Walsh said. "There are several ways that you can do that, but you always have to take that position."

Thus, if the Knicks do wade into a free agent pool, his bait almost certainly will be nothing longer than a deal that expires in 2010.

That could be enough to sign a stopgap veteran point guard, of which there are several who are "unrestricted" (free to sign anywhere), such as Carlos Arroyo, Keyon Dooling, Chris Duhon, Beno Udrih or Jason Williams.

Far more quality free agents, however, can be found in the "restricted" pool (i.e. Ben Gordon, Luol Deng, Monta Ellis, Andre Iguodala, Josh Smith), meaning their current teams can match any offer they get - and the Knicks' 2010 governor would prevent them from getting involved in a bidding war.

Trades, of course, are a different animal. If, for instance, Walsh can find takers for the three-year obligations (including player options) held by Jamal Crawford, Eddy Curry, Jeffries and Zach Randolph - but only if Knicks get back contracts that come off the cap in 2010.

"You'd have to remove salary in order to follow the grand plan," Walsh said. Yet, despite the albatross caliber of his contracts, he also indicated, "I think there's interest in our players."

Any "rent-a-player" type deals in which the Knicks trade for someone who's decided not to opt out of the final year of his contract next season (i.e. Ron Artest, Shawn Marion) means either letting them walk after one year or signing them to new deals that blow up the 2010 plan.

"This is a fluid situation," said Walsh, who calls this "Stage 3" of his off-season work, following the hiring of Mike D'Antoni, then last week's draft.

"But also part of that situation is for us to evaluate the players we have on the team now that can play at a certain level."

In other words, although he admits, "I think we can use help," he may have to find ways to get more out of what he and D'Antoni inherited than Thomas did, because no matter what he finds in the pool this summer, the Knicks may be stuck swimming with a lot of what they already have.

i almost forgot what a plan was it's been so long since our GM had one.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by TMS:

i almost forgot what a plan was it's been so long since our GM had one.

Well he needs to stop being frugal on trades if these rumors are true. Start pulling the trigger if you have a chance to dump Zach and clear some room come 2010. Maybe we could have got in on the Jermaine trade?

that might have been hard in the Bird-Walsh scenario. Indiana was looking for PG too, right?