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My vision of the Bobcats possible trade and why it is going down !!!
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BlacKat
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6/28/2008  1:05 PM
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New York Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: 0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, and 0.0 apg.

Incoming Players

Adam Morrison
6-8 SF from Gonzaga
No games yet played in 2007/08
Raymond Felton
6-0 PG from North Carolina
No games yet played in 2007/08


Outgoing Players

Malik Rose
6-7 PF from Drexel
No games yet played in 2007/08
David Lee
6-9 PF from Florida
No games yet played in 2007/08

Charlotte Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: 0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, and 0.0 apg.

Incoming Players

Malik Rose
6-7 PF from Drexel
No games yet played in 2007/08
David Lee
6-9 PF from Florida
No games yet played in 2007/08

Outgoing Players

Adam Morrison
6-8 SF from Gonzaga
No games yet played in 2007/08
Raymond Felton
6-0 PG from North Carolina
No games yet played in 2007/08


Maybe the knicks will have to sweeten the deal with a future pick, but thats ok. Charlotte does the deal because there is no room for Morrison. J.Rich has the SG spot while Wallace has the SF spot. LB won't like him because he plays no defense. Felton is out because LB likes DJ who is more of a pure point. Rose provides cap room while Lee is cheap for 1 year and is insurance against losing Okfor who is a restricted FA.
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6/28/2008  1:06 PM
Just say no to Adam Morrison.

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6/28/2008  1:10 PM
forget adam morrison. i just want felton. he's a good engine at pg. better than anyone in this draft after rose at the guard spot.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 28-06-2008 1:10 PM]
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6/28/2008  1:10 PM
Could be it. Seems like Charlotte would want more though.
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6/28/2008  1:12 PM
what about dlee + mardy collins for felton?
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6/28/2008  1:14 PM
Career stats

D Lee = 7 pts 7 rebs
Felton = 14 pts 7 ast
Morrison = 11 pts 3 rebs
Rose = 6 pts 5 rebs

That about even. Felton can easily improve on his stats in Mike D's offense.
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6/28/2008  1:54 PM
Why would we need another SF? We already have too many
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6/28/2008  1:55 PM
I just think any deal for lee needs to bring back as much value in a future draft pick. Part of the reason for trading Lee is cap management - swapping for Felton doesn't really help this facet out.

And I think we still need to focus on getting a superstar. I'd rather go into super rebuild and see about getting our future PG next draft.
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6/28/2008  2:01 PM
SEASON AVERAGES
Season Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
07-08 CHA 79 79 37.6 0.413 0.280 0.800 0.5 2.5 3.0 7.4 1.2 0.2 2.70 2.30 14.4
Career 237 208 34.6 0.396 0.327 0.778 0.7 2.5 3.2 6.6 1.3 0.1 2.64 2.30 13.4

These are Felton's stats what is so impressive about these stats. If you ask me he is a PG without shooting ability, he isn't a very good player especially with that .280 three point fg% how the hell are you going to run a spread offense with another one dimentional player that has trouble hitting a jumper.

He ain't shyt, you guys are throwing DLee for this chump are you out of your minds. Stop acting desperate people. Choose wisely.
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6/28/2008  2:06 PM
he's not a shooter, he's a very good passer and pick and roll pg. he's similar to marbury in that respect, except he's a superior defender to marbury. people forget this guy was a ncaa champion and has played very well when used at the point. he's had horrible coaching in the nba and has been used off the ball which is dumb because he is not a shooter. he is a pg.

i think walsh will be patient, but felton is a good option.
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6/28/2008  2:10 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

he's not a shooter, he's a very good passer and pick and roll pg. he's similar to marbury in that respect, except he's a superior defender to marbury. people forget this guy was a ncaa champion and has played very well when used at the point. he's had horrible coaching in the nba and has been used off the ball which is dumb because he is not a shooter. he is a pg.

i think walsh will be patient, but felton is a good option.

You said it all right there he is not a shooter. The Knicks want shooter and passers that makes the offense work better. Pick and roll you aren't very good if you can't hit that Jumper. Larry Brown knows PGs thats one thing that old bastard knows is PGs. If he doesn't want Felton than there is something worng with him. I'll give them Mardy for him but I ain't giving DLee for him.

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6/28/2008  2:23 PM
a couple of interesting things from his 82games.com stats:

http://www.82games.com/0708/07CHA3A.HTM

he shot the ball better in crunch time situations and with 0-10 seconds on the clock. i liked his crunch time play at UNC a lot and his his better shooting with 0-10 on the clock implies he's better at pushing the ball and maybe a fit for our offense - 0-10 meaning 0-10 seconds expired off the shot clock aka seven seconds or less.

his worst shooting comes with 3 seconds remaining on the 24 second clock, which to me implies that he is getting the ball at the end of the clock and forced to hoist a bad jumper up.

look, he's not a flawless pg or he wouldn't be available, but he pushed the ball at UNC and he can push it here. he makes tremendous decisions in the open court from what i've seen, better than anyone we have. he's a solid crunch time performer and with better spacing and a better designed offense, i bet his fg% will go up.

people here seem enamored with hinrich - but his first three years are worse than felton's and he isn't anywhere near the passer/facilitator that felton is. hinrich likes to sit back and launch threes and he's not good at it. felton gets by people to set up others and himself. if he's used properly, i think felton is the superior pg to hinrich and that felton is superior to most options we for a pg in trades. i can't think of any. i'm not sold on blake. i like lowry's defense, but not so much his playmaking. we aren't getting conley for lee and i'm not even sure i like conley as much as felton.

we've backed ourselves into a corner of having to trade lee, felton is good value, he was a no.5 pick in the same draft lee went 30. both have produced in the nba, both have flaws to their games, both fit what the other team lacks. it's a fair trade in a lot of ways.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 28-06-2008 2:24 PM]
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6/28/2008  2:40 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

a couple of interesting things from his 82games.com stats:

http://www.82games.com/0708/07CHA3A.HTM

he shot the ball better in crunch time situations and with 0-10 seconds on the clock. i liked his crunch time play at UNC a lot and his his better shooting with 0-10 on the clock implies he's better at pushing the ball and maybe a fit for our offense - 0-10 meaning 0-10 seconds expired off the shot clock aka seven seconds or less.

his worst shooting comes with 3 seconds remaining on the 24 second clock, which to me implies that he is getting the ball at the end of the clock and forced to hoist a bad jumper up.

look, he's not a flawless pg or he wouldn't be available, but he pushed the ball at UNC and he can push it here. he makes tremendous decisions in the open court from what i've seen, better than anyone we have. he's a solid crunch time performer and with better spacing and a better designed offense, i bet his fg% will go up.

people here seem enamored with hinrich - but his first three years are worse than felton's and he isn't anywhere near the passer/facilitator that felton is. hinrich likes to sit back and launch threes and he's not good at it. felton gets by people to set up others and himself. if he's used properly, i think felton is the superior pg to hinrich and that felton is superior to most options we for a pg in trades. i can't think of any. i'm not sold on blake. i like lowry's defense, but not so much his playmaking. we aren't getting conley for lee and i'm not even sure i like conley as much as felton.

we've backed ourselves into a corner of having to trade lee, felton is good value, he was a no.5 pick in the same draft lee went 30. both have produced in the nba, both have flaws to their games, both fit what the other team lacks. it's a fair trade in a lot of ways.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 28-06-2008 2:24 PM]


Great post Crzy. Felton can be a 17 & 9 point guard in D'Antoni's system. And as you say, there isn't a better option out there than Felton. Not that we should settle on Felton because there isn't anything else out there, but he's alot better than his numbers say he is.
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6/28/2008  2:47 PM
How about Felton/Carrol and a second round pick for Lee and Crawford?

The added bonus is that we get rid of Crawford. Carrol can play the 2 or perhaps chandler can step in. Carrol is not great, but at least he plays D and shoots a good percentage.

Then we can just go ahead and trade Marbury for Marion. (Cause you know it is coming!)

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6/28/2008  3:08 PM
Posted by oohah:

How about Felton/Carrol and a second round pick for Lee and Crawford?

The added bonus is that we get rid of Crawford. Carrol can play the 2 or perhaps chandler can step in. Carrol is not great, but at least he plays D and shoots a good percentage.

Then we can just go ahead and trade Marbury for Marion. (Cause you know it is coming!)

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you're kidding about marion for marbury, right?

marion and marbury both expire at the end of next season. why would the heat want to trade a productive player who fits their team who they can try out for a year for a malcontent idiot who makes zero sense for their team? it doesn't save them any money whatsoever, it makes so little sense. it is ridiculous.



[Edited by - crzymdups on 28-06-2008 3:09 PM]
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6/28/2008  5:11 PM
ain't no way we're getting both Morrison & Felton for just D Lee & an expiring... ain't happenin.
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6/28/2008  8:03 PM
you're kidding about marion for marbury, right?

marion and marbury both expire at the end of next season. why would the heat want to trade a productive player who fits their team who they can try out for a year for a malcontent idiot who makes zero sense for their team? it doesn't save them any money whatsoever, it makes so little sense. it is ridiculous.

I did not pull those names from the air, I occasionally heat-related talk and Marbury's and Curry's names have surfaced here and there.

Anyway, that wouldn't be the entire deal, just the meat of it. Here is why: Heat need a PG. Heat want to cut salary soon and don't need protracted negotiations with Marion. Heat want a low post presence (Curry). They also want to develop Beasley, which is not going to happen with Marion in his spot.

Is the Heat traded us Jwill and Marion for Marbury and Curry, they win: Marbury - Wade - Haslem - Beasley - Curry starting lineup.

They get what they need, we have to eat Garbage and D'Antoni gets to have Marion back.

I'm not saying this is what I want to happen, I just would not be surprised if something along these lines happens. Get ready for some big trades.

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6/28/2008  8:13 PM
Curry won't be able to survive a Pat Riley training regimen... he'll collapse from exhaustion after the 1st practice.

Marbury, D Lee & Balkman for Marion & Blount?

then sign Carlos Arroyo to MLE


C - Curry / Blount / T-Fresh
PF - Zach / Gallinari / Malik
SF - Marion / Chandler / Fishpucker
SG - Jamal / Q Rich
PG - Arroyo / Nate / Mardy
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6/28/2008  8:16 PM
Marbury, D Lee & Balkman for Marion & Blount?

Well, we would be getting hosed a little, but I would probably do it.

Now make me a trade that gets rid of Curry and Crawford.

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6/28/2008  8:51 PM
i forgot, Riley is retired as a coach... anyway i don't see Curry as being of interest to MIA.

dunno who would be interested in Curry right now... maybe DEN? pair him up w/Camby in the frontcourt & that would be a nice tandem... they could use some low post scoring... don't see anyone but Nene or KMart they'd be willing to give back to us tho... would u do Curry & Jefferies for KMart, Hunter & CHA's protected future pick they got in the draft day trade?
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