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eViL
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6/27/2008  12:12 PM
I'm just like everyone else who wanted the Knicks to buy some draft picks and wheel and deal, but we have to be realistic here. Look at our roster. We have 14 players now (with DG) who will have guaranteed contracts. That means we have one roster spot to fill in FA unless we cut players or make deals that send out more players than we receive. So before we accuse DW of not working to make moves can we at least acknowledge that it is not going to be easy? If he buys a first rounder, he just maxed out his roster.

All the wheeling and dealing is easy to get jealous of, but a great GM sets himself up for the moves patiently. He doesn't just make deals for the sake of making deals. I, for one, am glad that we didn't see a blockbuster last night. I would have loved to get Mayo, but outside of that, the relatively small splash that the Knicks made tells me they are serious about doing it right. They are not just gonna throw everything at a wall and see what sticks. That's what Isiah did. Walsh has to slowly, patiently and deliberately dig us out of this mess. If he had more pressure to win, perhaps we would have seen a mega-trade involving our pick for a proven vet. We didn't see that. This might be one of those cases where the best move the Knicks made is standing pat.

Knicks guaranteed contracts:

Renaldo Balkman
Wilson Chandler
Mardy Collins
Jamal Crawford
Eddy Curry
Danilo Gallinari
Jerome James
Jared Jeffries
David Lee
Stephon Marbury
Zach Randolph
Quentin Richardson
Nate Robinson
Malik Rose

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6/27/2008  12:19 PM
I think its called buying out Jerome James, or if he can't come to play in game shape, canceling his contract.

If we don't trade Malik, we should buy him out and put him out of his misery and let him go sign with another team.

Mardy Collins? Wonder if he will make the team, so he would be another cheap buy out.
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6/27/2008  12:24 PM
I think Mardy and Jerome get cut in October.

Malik and Marbs will be good commods in Feb
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6/27/2008  12:27 PM
I don't know what's keeping them from cutting Jerome, but I'm sure it has nothing to do with them thinking he can fit here. I'm puzzled as to what the plan is for him.

Malik is going to get traded. He is actually an asset now as an expiring contract. His name has popped up in enough rumors that I'm confident he's going to go in some deal this year. That's why he isn't cut.

Mardy?? I have no idea. Do they like him? Does he have value?
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6/27/2008  12:28 PM
With assets being available for nothing but cash considerations, standing pat wasn't an option. Why would you worry about roster spots when most of those guys have to go?
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6/27/2008  12:29 PM
Posted by islesfan:

With assets being available for nothing but cash considerations, standing pat wasn't an option. Why would you worry about roster spots when most of those guys have to go?

We added Nichols last year just for sh!ts and giggles. We paid no mind to the roster glut. Look how that turned out.
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6/27/2008  12:29 PM
But with 2nd round picks (not guaranteed) why not take the chance and just bring them into camp?
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6/27/2008  12:30 PM
Posted by eViL:
Posted by islesfan:

With assets being available for nothing but cash considerations, standing pat wasn't an option. Why would you worry about roster spots when most of those guys have to go?

We added Nichols last year just for sh!ts and giggles. We paid no mind to the roster glut. Look how that turned out.

Who was running the show then? Also don't look now but Nichols got a QO from the Bulls so he must have something to offer.
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6/27/2008  12:31 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by eViL:
Posted by islesfan:

With assets being available for nothing but cash considerations, standing pat wasn't an option. Why would you worry about roster spots when most of those guys have to go?

We added Nichols last year just for sh!ts and giggles. We paid no mind to the roster glut. Look how that turned out.

Who was running the show then? Also don't look now but Nichols got a QO from the Bulls so he must have something to offer.

Right. So theoretically, if Isiah was still the puppet master behind the scenes, then shouldn't we have picked up like 5 second rounders last night?
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6/27/2008  12:32 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by eViL:
Posted by islesfan:

With assets being available for nothing but cash considerations, standing pat wasn't an option. Why would you worry about roster spots when most of those guys have to go?

We added Nichols last year just for sh!ts and giggles. We paid no mind to the roster glut. Look how that turned out.

Who was running the show then? Also don't look now but Nichols got a QO from the Bulls so he must have something to offer.

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6/27/2008  12:33 PM
Posted by eViL:
Posted by islesfan:

With assets being available for nothing but cash considerations, standing pat wasn't an option. Why would you worry about roster spots when most of those guys have to go?

We added Nichols last year just for sh!ts and giggles. We paid no mind to the roster glut. Look how that turned out.

The new GM isn't supposed to be tied to any of these players the way the former GM was after bringing in each and every one to great expense.

But like Fish said, cut Collins and James and you have only 12 guaranteed contracts. They had lots of options for roster space so that shouldn't be an excuse for standing pat when assets were available for basically nothing.
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6/27/2008  12:33 PM
Posted by VDesai:

But with 2nd round picks (not guaranteed) why not take the chance and just bring them into camp?

I don't know, V. That's a tough one. Why did things play out the way they did last year with Nichols? Don't we have to offer him a contract to get him into camp? If you don't have a contract do you risk injury at training camp playing for free? All these second round guys probably get contracts to go to camp. If they don't make the team, they get cut and are free to go elsewhere (see D-Nic).
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6/27/2008  12:35 PM
Posted by eViL:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by eViL:
Posted by islesfan:

With assets being available for nothing but cash considerations, standing pat wasn't an option. Why would you worry about roster spots when most of those guys have to go?

We added Nichols last year just for sh!ts and giggles. We paid no mind to the roster glut. Look how that turned out.

Who was running the show then? Also don't look now but Nichols got a QO from the Bulls so he must have something to offer.

Right. So theoretically, if Isiah was still the puppet master behind the scenes, then shouldn't we have picked up like 5 second rounders last night?

Being behind the scenes means he's not tied anymore to the players he acquired. As the head coach and front man (GM) you can't get rid of players that you brought in and hyped up without making yourself look bad.
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6/27/2008  12:35 PM
Posted by islesfan:

that shouldn't be an excuse for standing pat when assets were available for basically nothing.

It's not an excuse so much as it is an explanation. To me it is a more plausible explanation than the Isiah is still in charge theory that you stole from Isola
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6/27/2008  12:36 PM
Posted by eViL:
Posted by islesfan:

that shouldn't be an excuse for standing pat when assets were available for basically nothing.

It's not an excuse so much as it is an explanation. To me it is a more plausible explanation than the Isiah is still in charge theory that you stole from Isola

Please, Isola stole that from me.
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6/27/2008  12:38 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Being behind the scenes means he's not tied anymore to the players he acquired. As the head coach and front man (GM) you can't get rid of players that you brought in and hyped up without making yourself look bad.

OK. So he's not tied to any of the players anymore, then why didn't the puppet master cut them for roster space?
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6/27/2008  12:39 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by eViL:
Posted by islesfan:

that shouldn't be an excuse for standing pat when assets were available for basically nothing.

It's not an excuse so much as it is an explanation. To me it is a more plausible explanation than the Isiah is still in charge theory that you stole from Isola

Please, Isola stole that from me.

Sure. Anything you say. Thief.
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6/27/2008  12:42 PM
Posted by eViL:
Posted by islesfan:

Being behind the scenes means he's not tied anymore to the players he acquired. As the head coach and front man (GM) you can't get rid of players that you brought in and hyped up without making yourself look bad.

OK. So he's not tied to any of the players anymore, then why didn't the puppet master cut them for roster space?

Because a complete roster overhaul makes him look bad. He'll want to keep most of the players intact and let D'Antonio's system, which covers up little things like defense, make them look better than they are. That in turn makes Isiah look better.
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6/27/2008  12:42 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by eViL:
Posted by islesfan:

Being behind the scenes means he's not tied anymore to the players he acquired. As the head coach and front man (GM) you can't get rid of players that you brought in and hyped up without making yourself look bad.

OK. So he's not tied to any of the players anymore, then why didn't the puppet master cut them for roster space?

Because a complete roster overhaul makes him look bad. He'll want to keep most of the players intact and let D'Antonio's system, which covers up little things like defense, make them look better than they are. That in turn makes Isiah look better.

LOL wow, I'm sorry Isles but that is the most ridiculous thing I've read on this forum and that's saying something.
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6/27/2008  12:45 PM
Posted by franco12:

I think its called buying out Jerome James, or if he can't come to play in game shape, canceling his contract.

If we don't trade Malik, we should buy him out and put him out of his misery and let him go sign with another team.

Mardy Collins? Wonder if he will make the team, so he would be another cheap buy out.

I'm actually trying to imagine Mardy coming off the bench running D'Antoni's spread offense. He could play much better with the floor spaced just like every other guard in the league would.
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