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6/27/2008  10:30 AM
Round 1: Danilo Gallinari (6)

Round 2: None

Analysis: With the Knicks' three favorite backcourt players gone -- Derrick Rose, O.J. Mayo and Russell Westbrook -- new Knicks president Donnie Walsh did the right thing.

Gallinari is a talent and one of the few guys in the draft who could really be special someday. Those who are bashing the pick because Gallinari is a project should do their homework. Gallinari was the team leader on an Italian Euroleague team -- and the Euroleague is much more competitive than the NCAA. Those Euroleague teams scrimmage our NBA teams in the preseason and, from time to time, beat them. The fact that Gallinari has starred there at such a young age suggests that he's more ready than most of the freshmen rushing into the league. And with Mike D'Antoni coaching him, you can bet the Knicks will play to his strengths.

Gallinari has weaknesses -- he has so-so lateral quickness and lacks muscle. I'm not sure he'll ever turn into Dirk Nowitzki, to whom he's been compared. And the Knicks still have a long way to go in the rebuilding process.

But this was a good start for the Knicks. If they can use David Lee to get a legit young point guard, they'll keep moving in the right direction.
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6/27/2008  10:47 AM
I just don't see it. Unless this guy can guard his position at SF, he just is not going to great. He is not quick enough to blow by other SF and he shot is solid but not on a Dirk level. Maybe he really develops, but this is a huge risk. I would have rather taken D.J. or Bayless.

The other drawback is this pick means that Marbury may be around past next year.
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6/27/2008  10:51 AM
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Andrea-Bargnani-154/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Danilo-Gallinari-535/

You look at their #'s in the Euro/Italian leagues and Galli is a better player. Its hard to get a lot from looking at stats but a few things jump out. One is Galli goes to the line. A lot. Another is he gets a ton of steals. 2 steals a game puts you in the NBA's top 10, and if your getting 2 steals a game your getting your hands on a lot of balls (dont say it).

Everyone says the same things.. he's tough, doesnt back down, intense, winner. Lets just see shall we?
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6/27/2008  10:51 AM
Posted by TheGame:

I just don't see it. Unless this guy can guard his position at SF, he just is not going to great. He is not quick enough to blow by other SF and he shot is solid but not on a Dirk level. Maybe he really develops, but this is a huge risk. I would have rather taken D.J. or Bayless.

The other drawback is this pick means that Marbury may be around past next year.

The impression I'm getting is that as he gets stronger, Mike is going to move him to power forward. There his lateral weakness will be minimized and his ability to shoot threes will be an even greater advantage. Also, I think he can take many power forwards off the dribble. If we do keep Curry, having a 4 with 3 pt range is a huge advantage.
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6/27/2008  10:57 AM
Posted by TheGame:

I just don't see it. Unless this guy can guard his position at SF, he just is not going to great. He is not quick enough to blow by other SF and he shot is solid but not on a Dirk level. Maybe he really develops, but this is a huge risk. I would have rather taken D.J. or Bayless.

The other drawback is this pick means that Marbury may be around past next year.

He is projected as a PF.
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6/27/2008  10:58 AM
Posted by Ira:
Posted by TheGame:

I just don't see it. Unless this guy can guard his position at SF, he just is not going to great. He is not quick enough to blow by other SF and he shot is solid but not on a Dirk level. Maybe he really develops, but this is a huge risk. I would have rather taken D.J. or Bayless.

The other drawback is this pick means that Marbury may be around past next year.

The impression I'm getting is that as he gets stronger, Mike is going to move him to power forward. There his lateral weakness will be minimized and his ability to shoot threes will be an even greater advantage. Also, I think he can take many power forwards off the dribble. If we do keep Curry, having a 4 with 3 pt range is a huge advantage.

Zach shot a lot of threes.
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6/27/2008  11:10 AM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by Ira:
Posted by TheGame:

I just don't see it. Unless this guy can guard his position at SF, he just is not going to great. He is not quick enough to blow by other SF and he shot is solid but not on a Dirk level. Maybe he really develops, but this is a huge risk. I would have rather taken D.J. or Bayless.

The other drawback is this pick means that Marbury may be around past next year.

The impression I'm getting is that as he gets stronger, Mike is going to move him to power forward. There his lateral weakness will be minimized and his ability to shoot threes will be an even greater advantage. Also, I think he can take many power forwards off the dribble. If we do keep Curry, having a 4 with 3 pt range is a huge advantage.

Zach shot a lot of threes.


Zach also has a lot of baggage...I wonder if we can get anything for him? I would take a 1st rounder from anyone or 2 second rounders...
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6/27/2008  11:11 AM
Ford is giving them an A- because they actually picked the guy who didn't make his mock pick @ 6 look like a fool. If we would have picked any other player than who he mocked over the past5-6 weeks he would have given us a C or lower.
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6/27/2008  11:15 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by TheGame:

I just don't see it. Unless this guy can guard his position at SF, he just is not going to great. He is not quick enough to blow by other SF and he shot is solid but not on a Dirk level. Maybe he really develops, but this is a huge risk. I would have rather taken D.J. or Bayless.

The other drawback is this pick means that Marbury may be around past next year.

He is projected as a PF.

If he play's PF, he will be quick enough, but now you are pairing an undersized PF with a no-rebounding, no defense center in Curry. And he will likely be playing behind another no defense PF in Randolph. I am willing to give it time, really we have no choice at this point, but the fact that this kid is supposedly better than Bargnani is not a ringing endorsement.
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6/27/2008  11:17 AM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by martin:
Posted by TheGame:

I just don't see it. Unless this guy can guard his position at SF, he just is not going to great. He is not quick enough to blow by other SF and he shot is solid but not on a Dirk level. Maybe he really develops, but this is a huge risk. I would have rather taken D.J. or Bayless.

The other drawback is this pick means that Marbury may be around past next year.

He is projected as a PF.

If he play's PF, he will be quick enough, but now you are pairing an undersized PF with a no-rebounding, no defense center in Curry. And he will likely be playing behind another no defense PF in Randolph. I am willing to give it time, really we have no choice at this point, but the fact that this kid is supposedly better than Bargnani is not a ringing endorsement.

Wasn't Bilas slurping on Bargnani last year?

This brings up a good point - I don't like Bilas at all - does anyone?

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6/27/2008  11:17 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Ford is giving them an A- because they actually picked the guy who didn't make his mock pick @ 6 look like a fool. If we would have picked any other player than who he mocked over the past5-6 weeks he would have given us a C or lower.

I have to agree with you here since he was killing DG in his mock draft with Bill Simmons just earlier this week.

Ford: Did the moon just turn red? Or was it that Chris Wallace concussion that made you go Gallinari?



In a weird twist of fate, I'm not sold on him. He's an amazing European player. But he lacks the lateral quickness to guard anyone. For a guy who just watched his Celtics win on defense, you make yet another no-defense pick in Gallinari.



I think he'll be a nice player, don't get me wrong. But I don't think he'll be a star, and at No. 5, you need to find that guy.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
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6/27/2008  11:19 AM
ford's last mock b4 the draft had little italy going tothe knicks

in a draft where good needed players fell and picks were sold and NY had no activity, how do u give ny an a- fr walking away with a project?

then again I believe he gave Dumars an a for Darko

[Edited by - McK1 on 27-06-2008 11:22 AM]
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6/27/2008  11:34 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Ford is giving them an A- because they actually picked the guy who didn't make his mock pick @ 6 look like a fool. If we would have picked any other player than who he mocked over the past5-6 weeks he would have given us a C or lower.

I have to agree with you here since he was killing DG in his mock draft with Bill Simmons just earlier this week.

Ford: Did the moon just turn red? Or was it that Chris Wallace concussion that made you go Gallinari?



In a weird twist of fate, I'm not sold on him. He's an amazing European player. But he lacks the lateral quickness to guard anyone. For a guy who just watched his Celtics win on defense, you make yet another no-defense pick in Gallinari.



I think he'll be a nice player, don't get me wrong. But I don't think he'll be a star, and at No. 5, you need to find that guy.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

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6/27/2008  11:42 AM
Posted by TheGame:

I just don't see it. Unless this guy can guard his position at SF, he just is not going to great. He is not quick enough to blow by other SF and he shot is solid but not on a Dirk level. Maybe he really develops, but this is a huge risk. I would have rather taken D.J. or Bayless.

The other drawback is this pick means that Marbury may be around past next year.

IF Larry Bird can guard SFs like Bernard King, Dominique Wilkins and the like then I think Gallinari should be able to guard todays SFs. You don't need to be an off the charts physically to defend, you just need to be a smart defender and from the scouting report that is what Gallinari is suppose to be.
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6/27/2008  11:49 AM
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by TheGame:

I just don't see it. Unless this guy can guard his position at SF, he just is not going to great. He is not quick enough to blow by other SF and he shot is solid but not on a Dirk level. Maybe he really develops, but this is a huge risk. I would have rather taken D.J. or Bayless.

The other drawback is this pick means that Marbury may be around past next year.

IF Larry Bird can guard SFs like Bernard King, Dominique Wilkins and the like then I think Gallinari should be able to guard todays SFs. You don't need to be an off the charts physically to defend, you just need to be a smart defender and from the scouting report that is what Gallinari is suppose to be.

come to think of it... Larry Bird went sixth overall! wow! the parallels are eerie.
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6/27/2008  11:53 AM
how does he have so many steals?
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6/27/2008  11:55 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by TheGame:

I just don't see it. Unless this guy can guard his position at SF, he just is not going to great. He is not quick enough to blow by other SF and he shot is solid but not on a Dirk level. Maybe he really develops, but this is a huge risk. I would have rather taken D.J. or Bayless.

The other drawback is this pick means that Marbury may be around past next year.

IF Larry Bird can guard SFs like Bernard King, Dominique Wilkins and the like then I think Gallinari should be able to guard todays SFs. You don't need to be an off the charts physically to defend, you just need to be a smart defender and from the scouting report that is what Gallinari is suppose to be.

come to think of it... Larry Bird went sixth overall! wow! the parallels are eerie.

I am a big Bird fan...I know...How can I be a Bird fan when I am a Knick fan? I just love his limited skill set but was able to dominate with what he has.

I see a lot of Bird in Gallinari, at least from the highlight films I have seen. Yes, I understand they are highlight films but the fact that he is the leader of his italian team when they have american imports is impressive at 19. I like the sure handle the shooting range. I like how he uses both hands when finishing, very Bird like.
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6/27/2008  11:57 AM
Posted by fishmike:

how does he have so many steals?

He is supposedly has 1.8 steals for the season. That is pretty good since the euro league is supposed to be fundametally sound. What tell me is that his anticipation is very good. ala Bird
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6/27/2008  12:00 PM
Posted by fishmike:

how does he have so many steals?

can someone who is good at computer stuff edit Danilo's head onto the clip of Bird stealing the inbounds pass from Isiah? that would really make my morning.


look, at least the kid seems like he has heart and i'll give him a chance, but i honestly cannot see him starting on an NBA team with a winning record anytime soon. if they were going to go with a project pick, i would have much prefered anthony randolph. he's not much different than gallinari on offense and he's a much better rebounder and he's a shotblocker.
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6/27/2008  12:01 PM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by martin:
Posted by TheGame:

I just don't see it. Unless this guy can guard his position at SF, he just is not going to great. He is not quick enough to blow by other SF and he shot is solid but not on a Dirk level. Maybe he really develops, but this is a huge risk. I would have rather taken D.J. or Bayless.

The other drawback is this pick means that Marbury may be around past next year.

He is projected as a PF.

If he play's PF, he will be quick enough, but now you are pairing an undersized PF with a no-rebounding, no defense center in Curry. And he will likely be playing behind another no defense PF in Randolph. I am willing to give it time, really we have no choice at this point, but the fact that this kid is supposedly better than Bargnani is not a ringing endorsement.

Keep in mind, the Euro leauge is better competition than NCAA basketball. I think he is just as if not more ready than most of the top propects to step in and contribute right away.
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