Posted by Ira:

I say no. One thing the Marbury years taught me is that you want your best player to be a high character guy, a guy who plays smart and leads by example. You want your best player to be more like Tim Duncan or Wade or LeBron or Ewing or Willis Reed. Carmelo isn't that kind of guy. No matter how hard guys like Marbs and Melo try to talk the talk, they don't have what it takes to be the guy that other players look up to and follow.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Briggs has brought to the table

1. Jamal to the Clippers for Fugazy and 7

2. #6 for Brewer and 23rd pick(Utah's first rounder)

3. Marbury, Lee, Chandler, #6 for Melo and 20

4. Zach to Philly 4 Evans and 16 or Zach 4 Evans

5. Diaw 4 Rose

6. Malik & #6 or #7 targeting Mo Williams

7. Lee & Fillers for another first rounder targeting Augustin

although you are not accurate on 3 of them and some of them are not bordering on 6 months old--I dont see your point--those are all reasonable trades to both parties.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Briggs has brought to the table

1. Jamal to the Clippers for Fugazy and 7

2. #6 for Brewer and 23rd pick(Utah's first rounder)

3. Marbury, Lee, Chandler, #6 for Melo and 20

4. Zach to Philly 4 Evans and 16 or Zach 4 Evans

5. Diaw 4 Rose

6. Malik & #6 or #7 targeting Mo Williams

7. Lee & Fillers for another first rounder targeting Augustin

wow... you keep track.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Briggs has brought to the table

1. Jamal to the Clippers for Fugazy and 7

2. #6 for Brewer and 23rd pick(Utah's first rounder)

3. Marbury, Lee, Chandler, #6 for Melo and 20

4. Zach to Philly 4 Evans and 16 or Zach 4 Evans

5. Diaw 4 Rose

6. Malik & #6 or #7 targeting Mo Williams

7. Lee & Fillers for another first rounder targeting Augustin

although you are not accurate on 3 of them and some of them are not bordering on 6 months old--I dont see your point--those are all reasonable trades to both parties.

Briggs you suggested all these trades and let's do a breakdown of them and see if they are good. Remember it should work as much as possible for both sides


The first trade. Why on earth would the Clips do that trade?

The second trade. Actually the trade is inaccurate due to you not looking correctly at Utah's draft position. Who's fault is this? Surely not anyone else's fault but yourself. You did suggest #6 4 Brewer and 18. The problem is Washington is picking 18 and the Jazz are picking 23. So in order to make your suggestion make sense we have to go with #6 4 Brewer and 23.

The third trade. As we've discussed in this thread you're trading for a Top 10 talent and giving no talent back in the the Top 40, not to mention snatching up another first rounder from them.

The fourth trade. That trade was beat to death I'll spare you pulling up your quotes from that thread but you said those would be the only two scenarios in which you would trade Zach to Philly.

The fifth trade. Great so we give away our expiring to add more salary in 2010/2011 in which DW stated that season would be the start to gaining cap flexibility

The sixth trade. I've already quoted you on this trade from the Mayo thread there's no option to backtrack on this one. Now you made this trade suggestion at the time you didn't know specifically what our draft position would be but Geez Mo Freakin 6yr $52million Williams. Boy are you trying to F Walsh's future plans over.

The seventh trade. Once again same as the sixth trade in that you proposed it at a time when things we're as clearly defined as they are now, but still even then, very suspect since most thought we'd include Lee in trades to get more not less. That is unless you're of the mindset like myself and you're coupling Lee with bad contracts.


For the most part your interested in screwing the other teams over. There were a couple in which you'd do the same to us. Your best suggestion may have been the Diaw one and that's not saying much at all.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-22-2008 6:41 PM]

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Briggs has brought to the table

1. Jamal to the Clippers for Fugazy and 7

2. #6 for Brewer and 23rd pick(Utah's first rounder)

3. Marbury, Lee, Chandler, #6 for Melo and 20

4. Zach to Philly 4 Evans and 16 or Zach 4 Evans

5. Diaw 4 Rose

6. Malik & #6 or #7 targeting Mo Williams

7. Lee & Fillers for another first rounder targeting Augustin

although you are not accurate on 3 of them and some of them are not bordering on 6 months old--I dont see your point--those are all reasonable trades to both parties.

Briggs you suggested all these trades and let's do a breakdown of them and see if they are good. Remember it should work as much as possible for both sides


The first trade. Why on earth would the Clips do that trade?

The second trade. Actually the trade is inaccurate due to you not looking correctly at Utah's draft position. Who's fault is this? Surely not anyone else's fault but yourself. You did suggest #6 4 Brewer and 18. The problem is Washington is picking 18 and the Jazz are picking 23. So in order to make your suggestion make sense we have to go with #6 4 Brewer and 23.

The third trade. As we've discussed in this thread you're trading for a Top 10 talent and giving no talent back in the the Top 40, not to mention snatching up another first rounder from them.

The fourth trade. That trade was beat to death I'll spare you pulling up your quotes from that thread but you said those would be the only two scenarios in which you would trade Zach to Philly.

The fifth trade. Great so we give away our expiring to add more salary in 2010/2011 in which DW stated that season would be the start to gaining cap flexibility

The sixth trade. I've already quoted you on this trade from the Mayo thread there's no option to backtrack on this one. Now you made this trade suggestion at the time you didn't know specifically what our draft position would be but Geez Mo Freakin 6yr $52million Williams. Boy are you trying to F Walsh's future plans over.

The seventh trade. Once again same as the sixth trade in that you proposed it at a time when things we're as clearly defined as they are now, but still even then, very suspect since most thought we'd include Lee in trades to get more not less. That is unless you're of the mindset like myself and you're coupling Lee with bad contracts.


For the most part your interested in screwing the other teams over. There were a couple in which you'd do the same to us. Your best suggestion may have been the Diaw one and that's not saying much at all.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-22-2008 6:41 PM]

You forget to mention the Lee trade was contigent on getting the numnber 1 pick and taking beasley--that the Brewer + pick was just a model trade--I think the mo williams for malik trade +6--I would ask for more now but you might have trouble finding a better player at 6 as in ready now than Mo Williams[i wouldnt do that now anyway]. I can easily comp the trade I just made with melo--go look at Vince Carter to NJ and many others. No trade here is out of the realm in anyway and guess what this is a Knick basketball message board where we plant ideas

I have to say I bet 95% of the people here think you are Dr stranglove brother. You go out of your way making yourself look like a very strange person.