and athletic the team was--they had so much length and athletic ability/size upfront

look at that team for one moment

KG 7-1 240
Perkins 6-11 275
PJ Brown 6-11 240
Powe 6-8 250
Davis 6-9 285
and then the size of their guards and forwards
Ray Allen 6-5 210
Pierce 6-6 240
Posey 6-8 220
Allen 6-4 215

they had two small guys but Rondo plays MUCH bigger than 6-1
and they had a three point specilaist in house.


This was a BIG PHYSICAL athletic team that just beat th sht out of other teams. The PG position player was nothing special--he just fit the scheme--he didnt lead the team like a rudder and I dont see that as necessary--the bulls never had a dominant PG either did the lakers and even the spurs has more of a combo guard than a true PG.

I can understand why som people dont want Randolph for example because its going to take him 2-3 years to fill out--he's 18 years old. but I think that we need some big players FIRST if it's not Randolph than we have a nice selection of big players this year. We still have NO one not 1 player who can defend the rim--our biggest problem by a landslide--we just dont have the toughness at the basket and no matter what we do unless we somehow get a big athletic guy in there like a Bynum a Howard Amare Chandler KG Duncan Oden--how are we going to compete with these teasm long term if we want Randolph and Curry out--how do you win basketball with small players? there is no amare stoudemire on this team--the fans want Randolph and Curry out--some people want augustin in. Tell me how the F are we going to win NBA basketball games this small--even GS has a 7 foot C with Wright in the wings[they knew it would take him 2 years to fill out]

What is the long term plan here if we want curry and randolph out?

eric gordon is going to guard the basket? westbrook going to block three shots? what is the plan? we haev a 6 pick and we need some guys who are going to replace curry and randolph UNLESS Mayo falls to us or we can go up and get him.

These run and gun teams are just aphase brought on by the success of foreign teams in the Olympics--but it is the big athgletic players who win NBA basketball.

Posted by BRIGGS:

and athletic the team was--they had so much length and athletic ability/size upfront

look at that team for one moment

KG 7-1 240
Perkins 6-11 275
PJ Brown 6-11 240
Powe 6-8 250
Davis 6-9 285
and then the size of their guards and forwards
Ray Allen 6-5 210
Pierce 6-6 240
Posey 6-8 220
Allen 6-4 215

they had two small guys but Rondo plays MUCH bigger than 6-1
and they had a three point specilaist in house.


This was a BIG PHYSICAL athletic team that just beat th sht out of other teams. The PG position player was nothing special--he just fit the scheme--he didnt lead the team like a rudder and I dont see that as necessary--the bulls never had a dominant PG either did the lakers and even the spurs has more of a combo guard than a true PG.

I can understand why som people dont want Randolph for example because its going to take him 2-3 years to fill out--he's 18 years old. but I think that we need some big players FIRST if it's not Randolph than we have a nice selection of big players this year. We still have NO one not 1 player who can defend the rim--our biggest problem by a landslide--we just dont have the toughness at the basket and no matter what we do unless we somehow get a big athletic guy in there like a Bynum a Howard Amare Chandler KG Duncan Oden--how are we going to compete with these teasm long term if we want Randolph and Curry out--how do you win basketball with small players? there is no amare stoudemire on this team--the fans want Randolph and Curry out--some people want augustin in. Tell me how the F are we going to win NBA basketball games this small--even GS has a 7 foot C with Wright in the wings[they knew it would take him 2 years to fill out]

What is the long term plan here if we want curry and randolph out?

eric gordon is going to guard the basket? westbrook going to block three shots? what is the plan? we haev a 6 pick and we need some guys who are going to replace curry and randolph UNLESS Mayo falls to us or we can go up and get him.

These run and gun teams are just aphase brought on by the success of foreign teams in the Olympics--but it is the big athgletic players who win NBA basketball.

I'm not worried aboout the Celtics their wiondow is officially closed. When you have KG who looks longer than most players in the league you have a player that covers space real well. the rest of the players were basically a role players that did their lunch pale job.

Having players like Ray Allen, Pierce and KG together makes the other players look real good. That was the case with the Celtics and it was the case with the Lakers teams of the past and it was the casewith the Spurs with Duncan, Ginobili and Parker
the other parts look extremely better.

Don't forget the great defense.

It's shocking to see what the Celtics did to a Lakers team that destroyed the San Antonio Spurs. Everybody knows that it's impossible to get past the Spurs. So much so that they're actually supposed to be a legitimate excuse when you can't get to the Finals despite winning all these regular season games.

Of course now 2 Western Conference teams have gotten past the big bad Spurs in the last 4 years but it's still one hell of an attempt at an excuse.

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by islesfan:

Don't forget the great defense.

It's shocking to see what the Celtics did to a Lakers team that destroyed the San Antonio Spurs. Everybody knows that it's impossible to get past the Spurs. So much so that they're actually supposed to be a legitimate excuse when you can't get to the Finals despite winning all these regular season games.

Of course now 2 Western Conference teams have gotten past the big bad Spurs in the last 4 years but it's still one hell of an attempt at an excuse.

Their defense was coached by their assistant coach. Would you be happier if we brought on an ace defensive assistant?

Sure, let's do it. Actually, at this point we almost might be forced to hire a defensive minded assistant, to make up for D'antoni's lapses as a head coach. It's a complete shame that a head coach who will be "earning" $24 million over a 4 year span will need an assistant to make up for defensive delinquency when we could've hired a coach with a good balance of both offense and defense.

[Edited by - jrzyhustla on 06-19-2008 10:25 PM]

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by islesfan:

Don't forget the great defense.

It's shocking to see what the Celtics did to a Lakers team that destroyed the San Antonio Spurs. Everybody knows that it's impossible to get past the Spurs. So much so that they're actually supposed to be a legitimate excuse when you can't get to the Finals despite winning all these regular season games.

Of course now 2 Western Conference teams have gotten past the big bad Spurs in the last 4 years but it's still one hell of an attempt at an excuse.

Their defense was coached by their assistant coach. Would you be happier if we brought on an ace defensive assistant?

Wouldn't matter. Doc understands the importance of defense and will implement it within his system. D'Antonio doesn't and won't. Getting a team to play tough defense for 18-24 seconds before going on one of their 7 second sprints on offense, is just counter productive and D'Antonio will always side with his offense.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by islesfan:

Don't forget the great defense.

It's shocking to see what the Celtics did to a Lakers team that destroyed the San Antonio Spurs. Everybody knows that it's impossible to get past the Spurs. So much so that they're actually supposed to be a legitimate excuse when you can't get to the Finals despite winning all these regular season games.

Of course now 2 Western Conference teams have gotten past the big bad Spurs in the last 4 years but it's still one hell of an attempt at an excuse.

Their defense was coached by their assistant coach. Would you be happier if we brought on an ace defensive assistant?

Wouldn't matter. Doc understands the importance of defense and will implement it within his system. D'Antonio doesn't and won't. Getting a team to play tough defense for 18-24 seconds before going on one of their 7 second sprints on offense, is just counter productive and D'Antonio will always side with his offense.

Your nothing but a speculator isles. You want the fan base to turn on D'Antoni for what? Your being to adamant about being negative towards D'Antoni, just as you were towards Marbury and Isiah. Give the man some credit for winning basketball game and getting his Suns teams into the playoffs and winning rounds in the playoffs. Your not in decision making capacity on the Knicks and if push came to shove and your being paid to do the Job as Donnie Walsh has to do, you would I guarnatee it choose D'Antoni over Jackson because he is an unknown comodity and its seem everyone took a pass on Jackson. For the simple reason you job is on the line and when that is the case you go for the sure thing. As for Thibodeau he would have turned the Knicks job down. If JVG has his ear then I guarantee you that Thibodeau would have turned the Knicks down.
I want to Know why other teams passed on the great Thibodeau?

Posted by CrushAlot:

Rondo and Thibs could have both been Knicks. Instead the Knicks have Balkman and D'Antoni. Stern needs to rid the NBA of dumb bunny Dolan.

Why is Thibs such a great choice? Why did the Rockets never take off when he was an assistant there?

is this a briggs' anti-d'antoni post?

I think rondo's defense is very overlooked...it starts up top and he makes it tough on the opposing pg to do anything.

knicks need so many pieces...i have no idea who they should draft.

Posted by djsunyc:

is this a briggs' anti-d'antoni post?

I think rondo's defense is very overlooked...it starts up top and he makes it tough on the opposing pg to do anything.

knicks need so many pieces...i have no idea who they should draft.

when rondo was drafted (and passed on by the knicks for balkman) people considered him primarily a defensive specialist. he's a very good defender.

boston is a heck of a defensive team but they have an anchor in KG - ever since we traded Camby, I feel like we've been missing that. that's why i'd prioritize JOneal if we're going the starphuch route. he's not the best anchor in the world, but he's sure not a bad one.

Briggy,

and with the pistons its no stars, with spurs its euro-finesse-defense and now the flava is big.

C'mon man, the celts had a nice run, but that team was driven by the big three and they shared the ball nice. Good defense.

How? You had guys that WANTED to play defense. These wonderful athletes that can do such great things with the ball have to want to play defense. The celts were motivated and came together. The big three WANTED chemistry.

I have seen Marbury do wonderful things with the ball, and you tell me he can't play defense? Same with half the teams.

Euroball is about scoring more points than the oppoonent. Plain and simple.

A good Defense ALWAYS wins championships in any sport. So lets not wake up from some sports coma and think this is a revolation.

Teach, no demand that eddy put some effort in the footwork and concentration into playing defense. This is not harder than learing a post up move.

The celts had those big guys to compliment KG which opens things up for him. CHEMISTRY. Take him away and bigger is not better.

I believe you can compliment Curry with the right player next to him. We also know you devalue his ability and output by the wrong player.